Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Locked during matches

I have to say, for all the criticism and doubt I have over the guy, his press conferences are genuinely very reassuring. He has such a likability and way of saying the right things that make you trust him. You can see exactly why the Sporting players loved him. He’s the kind of guy you would go to war for.

I just truly hope the performances on the pitch soon start to match everything he’s doing off it. The last 20 minutes last night are certainly a start. I hope it’s made him realise that he needs to be more attacking and less cautious too. We looked a different team the minute he ditched the two DM’s and pushed the wingbacks on. That needs to be the blueprint.
 
Malone_Post said:
I have to say, for all the criticism and doubt I have over the guy, his press conferences are genuinely very reassuring. He has such a likability and way of saying the right things that make you trust him. You can see exactly why the Sporting players loved him. He’s the kind of guy you would go to war for.

I just truly hope the performances on the pitch soon start to match everything he’s doing off it. The last 20 minutes last night are certainly a start. I hope it’s made him realise that he needs to be more attacking and less cautious too. We looked a different team the minute he ditched the two DM’s and pushed the wingbacks on. That needs to be the blueprint.
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As much as I don't like his system one bit, I genuinely think he is one of the most likeable managers I can remember as a United fan. SAF, Ole and occasionally LVG, but Amorim is right up there. I'm still not convinced of this system he insists on and his lack of flexibility. Likewise, the last 20 minutes last night gave me hope though - they looked a totally different team to something we have been watching since he arrived. If that is the blueprint for the future then I'll happily eat humble pie, but it's just 20 minutes.
 
NLunited said:
1. Lining up with Cas and Ugarte combined with nerves made us terrible in playing out the ball. It‘s a conundrum for the final, because I want us to be defensively sound, Cas is a big game player but we shouldn‘t turn over the ball a lot either.

Personally, I‘d go with Bruno and Ugarte in midfield and play De Ligt/Yoro/Maguire in the back line for height. If De Ligt is available.

Most important is to not start the final poor, so Amorim has work to do.

2. We often play 6 at the back, not 5 when defending in a low block. Not a problem: we defend in numbers and attack in numbers. Getting back in defensive positions quickly has been better.

3. Mount is back. For the first time probably, he looks like the player we thought we were getting.
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Casemiro is the one player who was decent in possession from the off yesterday and you want to leave him out against Spurs ?
 
Regardless of the outcome of the final game, it would be crazy to get rid of him. He’s shown he can play a system not just here but at sporting as well. He has also adapted to playing practical football against the likes of pool, city and arsenal this season. One can play practical football without completely changing the formation as well. The board should have goals with inflection points to show progress with playing style and progress next season. If he doesn’t show progress next season, they should think about the replacement plan for sure. The club shouldn’t be run like arsenal where a manager gets more than half a decade without progress and trophies. There’s a reason to why the world laugh at the clubs like arsenal. We should also not give managers multiple years like we did with ETH and Ole without a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve and whether the players they buy fit the philosophy they are trying to implement. For example- no more buying defenders that can’t play high line and attackers that can’t high press as we did with ETH. I am absolutely not saying I am attached to that playing style because I believe that even counterattacking football can be played in an attractive and fruitful way.

I know there is going to be a meltdown if we don’t win the final.
 
EtH said:
Casemiro is the one player who was decent in possession from the off yesterday and you want to leave him out against Spurs ?
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It’s a conundrum. I guess we could leave Ugarte out, but he has more energy to chase down opposition than Casemiro has. I‘m pretty sure Cas will play from the start.
 
pocco said:
Cunha and a good CF, even if not top level, will transform this team and bring this system to life in my opinion. To be honest I think that’s the case no matter what system we play, but I can see the potential if we get this right. We just need the right players to exploit the opportunities that the system creates.

We could do with a CB capable of playing those diagonal balls to the WBs who are always free, and attackers who can exploit the space that is created when the WBs stretch teams across the pitch. Cunha would be a great buy for us, so if we get him then we’re off to a good start.

A CM who is just an all round good footballer with good technical ability will help a lot too, though perhaps Bruno will fill that role permanently next season.
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A hold up striker, like a Zlatan or a Drogba will make a huge difference. With the wingbacks flying forward, a ball back to a 10, like Bruno, and balls into space, suddenly you have 5 attackers against a defense that is back peddling and trying to recover. The goals Sporting had against City a perfect example of this.
 
simonhch said:
Mount (26)
De Ligt (25)
Ugarte (24)
Zirkzee (23)
Amad (22)
Hojlund (22)
Mainoo (20)
Garnacho (20)
Dorgu (20)
Collyer (20)
Yoro (19)
Amass (18)
Kone (18)
Obi (17)

It really doesn’t take much to see that there’s something special brewing at OT. I have such high hopes for this group under a young and exciting coach. Chuck in the experience of Casemiro, Bruno and Maguire and that’s a great mix.

In the summer if we add a small handful of players in their prime (25-27) we will have some team over the next 3-5 years. I genuinely feel like this is the beginning of a great cycle for the club. So many of those players are only just scratching the surface of their potential. Imagine how good the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Dorgu, Amad and Yoro will be in 2-3 years.

People have been so quick to write players off but just look at the ages of some of them. Amongst them some of the most exciting talents in world football. They just need a little more quality and experience around them, and a sensible management of their minutes in most cases.
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Forgot Ayden Heaven?
 
Even if we get smashed in the final games and the euro final. I still want us to keep him. If Ruben gets the time and the players to fit his system I have zero doubt we will add to our trophy count.
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
Even if we get smashed in the final games and the euro final. I still want us to keep him. If Ruben gets the time and the players to fit his system I have zero doubt we will add to our trophy count.
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It took a miracle for us to still be in the cup,we are being outplayed for the majority of our games and in our worst position in the league for around 50 years,having zero doubts he will add to our trophy count in the future if we get smashed in the final is a great leap of faith I must say.
 
simonhch said:
Mount (26)
De Ligt (25)
Ugarte (24)
Zirkzee (23)
Amad (22)
Hojlund (22)
Mainoo (20)
Garnacho (20)
Dorgu (20)
Collyer (20)
Yoro (19)
Amass (18)
Kone (18)
Obi (17)

It really doesn’t take much to see that there’s something special brewing at OT. I have such high hopes for this group under a young and exciting coach. Chuck in the experience of Casemiro, Bruno and Maguire and that’s a great mix.

In the summer if we add a small handful of players in their prime (25-27) we will have some team over the next 3-5 years. I genuinely feel like this is the beginning of a great cycle for the club. So many of those players are only just scratching the surface of their potential. Imagine how good the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Dorgu, Amad and Yoro will be in 2-3 years.

People have been so quick to write players off but just look at the ages of some of them. Amongst them some of the most exciting talents in world football. They just need a little more quality and experience around them, and a sensible management of their minutes in most cases.
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Not to break your bubble because we are all a bit delirious about winning the semi-final comprehensively and making the final, but there hasn't been a time on this site when this hasn't been done for a new manager. There is always a list of young players who are going to be the future and take us back to glory. There hasn't been a time when "it didn't take much to see something special brewing". We are club who always have goodish young academy players waiting for first team opportunities and we buy plenty of players in the 18-25 age range, so this is not something new. I am sure it is true for most clubs and every club's fans have a list like this available.

From the list:

- Mount's two seasons at the club have been plagued with injuries. I was delighted with his performance on Thursday and he could be a useful option if he can stay fit, but there are question marks over his fitness and his overall quality.
- de Ligt and Ugarte have looked decent so far but don't seem to have top class ability to be first XI regulars for a team looking to challenge.
- Same is true for Zirkzee. I also have my doubts where he fits in Amo's 3241 as he is neither an out and out striker nor is he is a proper #10.
- Hojlund looks out of his depth and doesn't seem to have the skills to lead the line for a big club.
- Dorgu also looks to have a poor technical level.
- Amad looks set to be become a top class player. So does Yoro.
- Garnacho and Mainoo have done good things and my hope is that they continue to grow and become a part of our future.
- Collyer, Amass, Kone, Obi & Heaven have had limited or no minutes so far. I don't think any judgement can be formed on them yet. Although, Heaven and Amass to me look to have top potential.

I am not saying that it is not going to happen and I hope all these guys combine to form the core of a special United team. However, I think we'll still have to find a lot of solutions in the transfer market. We need two or three windows with an excellent strike rate (80%+) to get back to the top. A top class GK, a class CM, A top class WB, a top class #10, A 20 goal striker - we'll need to find them in the transfer market to hope to be a contender for the title in 2-3 seasons time.
 
roseguy64 said:
Exactly. Good achievement by Amorim to get us to the final. I'm glad about that from him. The rest has been so terrible that he has to hit the mark quickly next season. It's been that bad that winning the Europa doesn't wash out the rest but still would be great for him and the club to win it.
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Absolutely. People talk about time and he does need time. But if we're reproducing this seasons form in the league next year the club will pull the trigger by December. They'd have to.
 
711 said:
Those who are pissed off because they haven't seen instant success can feck right off. This club is turning round, and it's doing it with young players, and that's the most enjoyable way there is for us.
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Yep! It’s this desperation for instant success that has us in this mess…. Buckle up and enjoy the ride, Amorim will come good once he finds the key to playing against PL sides who are far more athletic and powerful than what he is used to
 
The biggest worry has to be pure mentality. We have gotten used to losing in the league. Fergie basically would never lose after one loss in the league. Because that was unacceptable.

Can these players change that? Dunno. It's all about the first 2 months of next season imo.
 
DeludedOptimism said:
Yep! It’s this desperation for instant success that has us in this mess…. Buckle up and enjoy the ride, Amorim will come good once he finds the key to playing against PL sides who are far more athletic and powerful than what he is used to
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Define ''instant success''?

What were people expecting that was unreasonable?
 
soapythecat said:
As much as I don't like his system one bit, I genuinely think he is one of the most likeable managers I can remember as a United fan. SAF, Ole and occasionally LVG, but Amorim is right up there. I'm still not convinced of this system he insists on and his lack of flexibility. Likewise, the last 20 minutes last night gave me hope though - they looked a totally different team to something we have been watching since he arrived. If that is the blueprint for the future then I'll happily eat humble pie, but it's just 20 minutes.
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I’m not convinced his tactical setup is built for the weekly grind of the Premier League. However, you can't deny the results in Europe are better. Is that a testament to the system, or simply a reflection of the lower overall standard in the Europa League?
 
Posh Red said:
And? He obviously has a preference for a three at the back, does he not?
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Yes he does. But he has a level of flexibility and adaptability Amorim can only dream of. He also realised you don't have to start 7 defensive players every match.

They both like three at the back, that's where the similarities end.
 
hellhunter said:
Yes he does. But he has a level of flexibility and adaptability Amorim can only dream of. He also realised you don't have to start 7 defensive players every match.

They both like three at the back, that's where the similarities end.
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They both won titles in a league dominated by other teams. That’s fairly similar too.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
They both won titles in a league dominated by other teams. That’s fairly similar too.
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Amorim at Sporting isn't anywhere close to what Alonso achieved last season.

Of course Real will need to hope that he replicates that for them, same as we for Amorim. Just so far Amorim is far away from it and Alonso hasn't failed yet. Might be a different discussion in a year's time of course
 
After SAF I only liked van Gaal and Mourinho. I really like Amorim though and don't care that much about the results this season. I love that he sticks to what he believes and that he understands that this might be his demise. Strong character. I hope he turns things around.
 
Amorim will never win the league with Dorgu and Dalot as WBs. Top 5 might work if we get Cunha and a top striker and a top GK this summer.
 
hellhunter said:
Amorim at Sporting isn't anywhere close to what Alonso achieved last season.

Of course Real will need to hope that he replicates that for them, same as we for Amorim. Just so far Amorim is far away from it and Alonso hasn't failed yet. Might be a different discussion in a year's time of course
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Can you expand on how it’s not close to being the same?
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Can you expand on how it’s not close to being the same?
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Alonso took over a 17th (or thereabouts) placed Leverkusen, won their very first Bundesliga title and first silverware since 93, did it in a much stronger league against a much more dominant team, going unbeaten in the league.

He's only done it once, but even this season finishing second is no mean feat for Leverkusen. According to TM (so not overly accurate but you get the idea), their squad is worth 75% of Bayern's, last season it was about 66%.
 
RedSky said:
Haven't we traditionally lost to average Spanish teams in the past? Isn't this particular average Spanish team 4th in La Liga? We just battered them. Slipping standards I guess.
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Yes. Even during Fergie era they're tricky to play against.
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He did
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And right after half time we played well. And this is nothing new... this is how our players are. They need the manager to go ballistic to start performing the things they can do. Ancelotti can come in and they'd still be doing the same thing. Hopefully the new players can somehow make the atmosphere different than the other way around.
 
tenpoless said:
Yes. Even during Fergie era they're tricky to play against.

And right after half time we played well. And this is nothing new... this is how our players are. They need the manager to go ballistic to start performing the things they can do.
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We didn't get a sniff of the ball for 20 minutes after half time
 
hellhunter said:
Alonso took over a 17th (or thereabouts) placed Leverkusen, won their very first Bundesliga title and first silverware since 93, did it in a much stronger league against a much more dominant team, going unbeaten in the league.

He's only done it once, but even this season finishing second is no mean feat for Leverkusen. According to TM (so not overly accurate but you get the idea), their squad is worth 75% of Bayern's, last season it was about 66%.
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That’s damn impressive. I can remember them scoring what felt like a billion last minute goals last season. That’s a clearly a sign of great mentality but also hard to sustain.
 
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