That also coincides with a poor Leicester who are on an even worse run and a Sociedad who are struggling to score.
What is weird about it? He has been an issue for a long time, both in terms of attitude as well as well as performances. RA is just the first manager to call him out and pushing his standards throughHe said he didn't want to take over mid season and when he did, he said it would be difficult and unsurprisingly you'd have a very tough period.
Then he had a horrendous run of injuries Mainoo, Mount, Amad (just as he was really getting the system), Shaw, Maguire, Yoro, just as he was really finding his feet as well and now Heaven.
The only thing I can fault Amorim on was the weird falling out with Rashford, as I am comvinced there's a very good player there, which Emery maybe tapping into, but Amorim, ETH and Ole all struggled with.
But over the last few games and in fits and starts before that the players seem to be getting the system and it is beginning to come good. You'll faulter again, everyone does, but as more time goes by it'll keep improving and you'll bounce back quicker. Since the Wolves and Newcastle losses back around Xmas, you've been steadily improving, the Brighton game was a blip in that as was Spurs.
This squad and manager were always too good for relegation and are much better than bottom half of the premier league standard as well.
That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?Or vindication that Amorim is a great coach and has managed to get this hopeless lot playing above their level through persistence in his system, tactics and squad management. Big egg on the faces of the bozos who blamed him for every bad thing in the past 3 months like our weak players weren't missing 5 yard passes (which they still did numerous times today) or throwing the ball into their own net. Really just a matter of how you want to spin it.
I very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.The only thing I can fault Amorim on was the weird falling out with Rashford, as I am comvinced there's a very good player there, which Emery maybe tapping into, but Amorim, ETH and Ole all struggled with.
It isn't good enough for the top 4-6. You could make the argument that a fair bulk of the squad is at that level, however, the forwards simply aren't good enough to take you there. We saw that last season too. Without Rashford banging in 30 a season, the squad couldn't compensate.That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?
No, this squad is good enough for 4th-6th place and any less is underperformance.
How it’s possible for people to look at the current level of our attacking players and think this squad should be 4th is just bewildering to me.That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?
No, this squad is good enough for 4th-6th place and any less is underperformance.
The people who were clinging the Ten Hag at the end still haven't got in touch with reality yet. To accept this squad isn't good enough for the top 6 means Ten Hag was indeed horrible at recruitment and they just can't bear that idea.How it’s possible for people to look at the current level of our attacking players and think this squad should be 4th is just bewildering to me.
I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.I very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.
Also, he isn't exactly lighting it up at Villa.
That's clearly nonsense though, since this line of thought would mean ETH was overperfoming. Can't imagine many people share that opinionThe people who were clinging the Ten Hag at the end still haven't got in touch with reality yet. To accept this squad isn't good enough for the top 6 means Ten Hag was indeed horrible at recruitment and they just can't bear that idea.
See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.Was that the "usual response" when we beat City and Pool...?
There have been good performances, when compared to the run of poor performances, recently. That also coincides with a poor Leicester who are on an even worse run and a Sociedad who are struggling to score. A good performance vs Arsenal, however, the trend under Amorim at United has been good performances when we can sit back and counter, as is also a trend of better performances in the Europa league against poorer opposition. So yeah, decent performances,, but nothing too out of the norm for the general performance from the team under Amorim. Will be interesting to see how the team performs in the next set of fixtures. The confidence should be better, Rasmus and Garnacho have their goals. Lets see if this is an actual change or more of the same.
I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.
That people who think this squad is better than 15th didn't get over ETH. Those things are entirely unrelatedWhat are you saying is nonsense?
That Hag destroyed the squad through shambolic recruitment? Or that he underperformed in his other duties i.e. coaching us to play shit football and concede 25-30 shots on goal every game?
Media would disagree, playing like a prime Ronaldo according to someI very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.
Also, he isn't exactly lighting it up at Villa.
Amorim obviously felt that there was no willing on Rashford's part. The player has to want it. He has to show the right attitude and be open to new ideas. This too, coming at a time where the club are actively trying to reduce costs and are being far more sensible when offering terms to new signings and current players. It just exacerbates the issue.I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.
Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester
See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.
This time we've actually won games we were meant to win and won them by big margins. Let's hope we keep the momentum going after the break.
I think everyone agrees the squad is better than 15th. It being the 4th - 6th best squad in the country is where many would disagree. Which of our attacking players are amongst the 4th - 6th best in the league in their respective positions? I’m not convinced any of them are even in the top 8.That people who think this squad is better than 15th didn't get over ETH. Those things are entirely unrelated
Sticking to his guns was the sensible thing to do. He might have got a tune out of the squad in a formation that used a more traditional 4 at the back but then it’s just pushing the issue further down the road.Long way from what we want to see our team playing but it seems they are understanding Amorims system a lot more… this is the reward for sticking to what he knows and not changing like everyone wanted.
They tried that rubbish with Sancho too. Both last season and earlier this season.Media would disagree, playing like a prime Ronaldo according to some
We played Sociedad at the right time. They lost 6 of their last 10 league games, dropping outside of top half and playing some generally poor football.Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester
That was the case when we got good results against tough opposition under Ole and Ten Hag. Our intangible problems run just as deep as the tangible ones.See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.
This time we've actually won games we were meant to win and won them by big margins. Let's hope we keep the momentum going after the break.
They also played us at the right time. We couldn’t score goals at home until we smashed them.We played Sociedad at the right time. They lost 6 of their last 10 league games, dropping outside of top half and playing some generally poor football.
The last 3 months looks like this...
Jan
Liverpool - D
Arsenal - W
Southampton - W
Brighton - L
Rangers - W
Fulham - W
FCSB - W
Feb
Palace - L
Leicester - W
Spurs - L
Everton - D
Ipswich - W
Mar
Fulham - L
Sociedad - D
Arsenal - D
Sociedad - W
Leicester - W
4 loses in 17 games doesn't sounds as big of a disaster as everyone would like us to believe. Amorim has remained fairly consistent in his approach and I think we just need to let him do his work and not over react to every bump along the way.
Yeah, agreed. Despite our woes this season, every loss is still a catastrophe, every scraped point against mediocre opposition still has an asterisk beside it. It's OK for us to just celebrate results.The last 3 months looks like this...
Jan
Liverpool - D
Arsenal - W
Southampton - W
Brighton - L
Rangers - W
Fulham - W
FCSB - W
Feb
Palace - L
Leicester - W
Spurs - L
Everton - D
Ipswich - W
Mar
Fulham - L
Sociedad - D
Arsenal - D
Sociedad - W
Leicester - W
4 loses in 17 games doesn't sounds as big of a disaster as everyone would like us to believe. Amorim has remained fairly consistent in his approach and I think we just need to let him do his work and not over react to every bump along the way.
Think what concerns people is the league form. From that list, it's four league wins, right?The last 3 months looks like this...
Jan
Liverpool - D
Arsenal - W
Southampton - W
Brighton - L
Rangers - W
Fulham - W
FCSB - W
Feb
Palace - L
Leicester - W
Spurs - L
Everton - D
Ipswich - W
Mar
Fulham - L
Sociedad - D
Arsenal - D
Sociedad - W
Leicester - W
4 loses in 17 games doesn't sounds as big of a disaster as everyone would like us to believe. Amorim has remained fairly consistent in his approach and I think we just need to let him do his work and not over react to every bump along the way.
Correlation doesn't mean causation, but point takenThe only person in this thread who claims the squad is good enough for 4th-6th is obsessed with ETH and clearly hasn't gotten over him. So it's a fair point.
Think what concerns people is the league form. From that list, it's four league wins, right?
Oh I'm definitely sceptical, however, I'm intentionally looking at just Amorim's time, which for the most part (bar Europa) has been worse. And the tiny shoot of optimism for is the "run" you mention. I don't think we've really had that (might be wrong). Especially 2 wins after doing well in a big game. It feels like immediately after offering false hope in the big matches since RA arrived, we proceed to serve up horror shows straight after in 'smaller' games.We are unbeaten in Europa league, so a draw and a win vs Sociedad isn't away from the norm there. We also beat Leicester 2 times already this season before this win. Again, not saying that there isn't a reason, albeit small one, for optimism. However, it's not really that different from the norm apart from it being a little run we are on which hopefully is a sign of things improving. I still am sceptical though, the next set of fixtures will tell us a lot.
The current group of players that Amorim has available to him are far weaker than the group that Ten Hag available to him, and that was after spending close to a billion quid. The likes of Antony, Sancho, Rashford etc aren't bad players, they're just bad players at the price we got them for, they're not bad 'options' at the right price, and I'm sure Amorim would prefer to have them available to him if presented with them or nothing. Ten Hag under performed in every way, hence the reason he got sacked, now we're cleaning up the mess he and the previous management team left behind.That's clearly nonsense though, since this line of thought would mean ETH was overperfoming. Can't imagine many people share that opinion
I would be interested to see a table of injuries per PL team and most time out. I feel like we're rivalling Spurs now.The other thing to note is the amount of injuries we are contending with and having to loan players out to leave us literally zero attacking options in some games on the bench.
Shaw, Martinez, Maguire, Yoro, Evans, Dorgu all defenders missing yesterday and then Heaven going off injured. Barely a word said about 6-7 defenders unavailable.
Add Amad, Mainoo, Mount injured and Sancho, Rashford, Anthony and Malacia out on loan and theres a lot going on to contend with.
the attacking squad that Amorim inherited is absolutely shocking for this level but ffs we knew after the first month before ETH got sacked
the change in system actually only enhanced the lack of attacking quality and options within the squad
