I'm not gonna lie I was fuming with him for not making changes when we conceded first
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
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The only way some of this lot is going to be elated is when we overnight magically turn into Barca of early 2010s, dominating against every opposition (all the while in their head, secretly hoping that we create a goal scoring opportunity every 60 seconds). Only then can we be called a watchable team.
It has been a few hours but still can’t fathom what transpired yesterday. It was magical. If such a script was written in a film or an anime no one would believe it. And we were the lucky ones to watch it, may it be at Old Trafford or the telly at home, but we witnessed one of the all time classic games.
Oh by the way. We created enough opportunities to win the game by a big margin. May this game turn out like how Steve Bruce’s header turned out for Fergie but not at a single moment after what we saw yesterday am I going to moan about Ruben. Rather I want to thank him for making me feel alive and reminding me what it feels like to support the greatest club in the world.
It has been a few hours but still can’t fathom what transpired yesterday. It was magical. If such a script was written in a film or an anime no one would believe it. And we were the lucky ones to watch it, may it be at Old Trafford or the telly at home, but we witnessed one of the all time classic games.
Oh by the way. We created enough opportunities to win the game by a big margin. May this game turn out like how Steve Bruce’s header turned out for Fergie but not at a single moment after what we saw yesterday am I going to moan about Ruben. Rather I want to thank him for making me feel alive and reminding me what it feels like to support the greatest club in the world.
I’d say win it or have a damn good explanation why we didn’t win it. If it looks like the lineup, game management, and subs were all correct , it’s just down to someone sticking the ball in the net and Onana keeping it out.
Because whoever is selecting which players we buy is not doing a great job. I think we can agree mostly that we need top players to make this system attack-minded as well as defensively robust. The lone signing, Dorgu, isn’t very good. If we sign 4-5 more players of a similar quality, not only will United not be competing for major honors but also Amorim will be out of a job.
I think Chelsea made a raft of bad decisions around that time. Potter was the wrong hire but they also didn’t want to see his system.Potter, unlike Amorim, totally choked and cracked under pressure.
And yet people move the goalposts. Even under Ole, we needed world class players to challenge, as Ole was a limited tactician. If we gave Ole mediocre players, he fails, great players, maybe he turns us into the also-rans like Arsenal were to us. ETH and RA are the same in both needing pretty much best in class players for their system to work in the PL as well as it did in their previous leagues. ETH had bad squad recruitment. RA has signed one dud already.
The emotions were intense and it was a legendary game , but I agree that his tactics have been worked out, and as long as opposition managers pin our wingbacks, we grind to a halt. Using so many defensive players in my view is less exciting than the attacking / counter attacking sides we’ve had.
What do you mean they didn't want to see his system? That's why they sacked their CL winning manager for him, as they believed Potter was the next up-and-coming modern manager. I know it's a tap in to mention Amorim dealing well with pressure after last night's game, but Potter also handled the pressure of a big European night by knocking Dortmund out of the CL, and he never got the chance to manage in the next round vs Madrid as he was sacked due to his league form being so bad.
Bilbao is going to be tough, but we absolutely need to win this competition. It would accelerate this project by a few years - it's a completely different prospect going into the summer with CL football and money guaranteed.
Lads have to play for their lives. I'm hoping we get Amad back
Lads have to play for their lives. I'm hoping we get Amad back
It's not the same team though now is it? You're saying "they" as if it's the same XI or squad.
The entire front line from that season is gone. That alone is a huge difference.
Fred, McTominay and basically Eriksen are gone. AWB gone. Casemiro not as good. Martinez obviously nowhere near as pivotal to us. Shaw played over 30 league games that season. Nothing this season.
So you're saying this team should be doing better based on an almost completely different team finishing 3rd 2 years ago. Makes no sense.
I think last night was also a catalyst for the players making a strong notion that they are nowhere near as bad as the media / fans portray them to be. Overturning Liverpool + City last season in the cup and then turning around what was a disgraceful second half of football.
I don't think Amorim will be a success but his decisions let to team winning the game. The competition however isn't won and as I've repeatedly stated it's imperative United lift this trophy for both the managers future and the success of the transfer market in the summer window.
There is no greater way to overturn such a poor domestic season than to qualify for the UCL the same campaign the team and manager have been absolutely atrocious in.
I don't think Amorim will be a success but his decisions let to team winning the game. The competition however isn't won and as I've repeatedly stated it's imperative United lift this trophy for both the managers future and the success of the transfer market in the summer window.
There is no greater way to overturn such a poor domestic season than to qualify for the UCL the same campaign the team and manager have been absolutely atrocious in.
They didn’t want to see it, as in, they sacked him instead of watching it.
I think for 1 game, as a fanbase, we can put our moaning and criticism on pause and just enjoy the madness. There ain't a 5-4 scoreline without a lot of problems to talk about but I don't personally give a shit, it's always fantastic to have a french getting booted out by Man United, specially after an entire of irrational arrogance from french media
Because the league results and performances were too poor to warrant any patience. The same could be said of Amorim.
Having said that, I think if he reaches the Europa League final then they'll stick with him into next season.
Don't be a hypocrite. You gave EtH one or two games before you wrote him off and started moaning. In fact, it doesn't look like you had very many good things to say at all, even when Ole was mananger.
And no, wasn't hard to find this. You are here so much it was only three pages back on your post history.
I'll give you credit where credit is due, you obviously practice what you preach. I guess as soon as EtH turned it around you disappeared into oblivion and only come back to the forum once he was sacked.
If you are going to try and take the high ground, at least make sure your foundations are solid.
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Well said
Fans didn’t leave early to beat the traffic mate. They left at 4-2 because everyone thought it was over:
Hope you and @soapythecat are staying strong this morning! Thoughts go out to you both. Must be tough to see United win like that.
Imagine being a supposed Utd fan and waking up this morning with a sour taste in your mouth and still wanting to moan 
Am curious whether all the posters who said in the matchday thread that they were done with this club are now back supporting us?Imagine being a supposed Utd fan and waking up this morning with a sour taste in your mouth and still wanting to moan
Good post
I must confess that I only listened to the whole game on the radio. And at 2-4, there was a slight temptation to switch off and go to sleep.
But I am a long time Manchester United fan and I kept the faith.
Bloody glad I did even though I thought I must be dreaming.
Had to check my phone this morning just incase I was.
When Amorim brought on Mount and Mainoo, it turned out a great move because it gave new energy to the team.
What a game.
What a night.
Football eh. The beautiful game.
But I am a long time Manchester United fan and I kept the faith.
Bloody glad I did even though I thought I must be dreaming.
Had to check my phone this morning just incase I was.
When Amorim brought on Mount and Mainoo, it turned out a great move because it gave new energy to the team.
What a game.
What a night.
Football eh. The beautiful game.
What an earth are you talking about? I’m just stating a fact as Amorim is trying to make an excuse as to why they left early.
Yes, I feel like this is the thing to be focusing in on today, continue the good fight for what truly matters.
How about you give him some time and a pre season at least? If social media were around when fergie joined Utd, you wouldn't have given him a season never mind three seasons to sort it all out.
People have so little patience nowadays.
Imagine being a supposed Utd fan and waking up this morning with a sour taste in your mouth and still wanting to moan
Imagine being a united fan and having to celebrate a comeback win over Lyon to just about get through to a europa semi final as if we just won the Champions League.
It's a good comeback with a high scoring game which happens every other week in all leagues across the world. To ignore the perspective and act like we just beat beat Bayern Or Real madrid to win the competition I find hilarious.
Last night just cemented to me this system is flawed and we are going nowhere with it. Bibao will knock us out. This system is too defensively venerable and only works against equally vunerable set ups.
We've had dramatic nights like this under Soljskear and Eric Ten Hag. I'd say overcoming City in the fa cup final was much better than this the way people are reacting to this win, as if we defied the odds by beating the Mighty 4th placed Lyon just shows how far standards have fallen and now Amorim is stating he expects nothing but to play kids against Wolves because he's given up on the league.
If this manager had anything about him it would have been a routine win in cruise control. Instead we had to rely on the old guard to bail us out with individual brilliance, similar to when Mctominay and Maguire kept on bailing ten hag out and fans claimed it was due to tactical genius.
Give it a rest. Give him a pre season, get a few players in and at least till Christmas.
Just enjoy the fact we won a remarkable match.
It could be our year in the Europa league. Win that and we are back in CL next season.
But moaners will still moan.
I don't disagree mate but in that case I think it's just a bit too early to say the club hasn't been supporting him. He's froze players out, loaned them out and made two signings in the space of 6 weeks of arriving at the club
Seeing Mainoo pop up with a goal really highlighted how much the injuries to him, Mount and Amad have hurt us this season.
Sure we need a lot more goals out of our main strikers, but we also need our other attackers to chip in. Mount averaged 7 or 8 goals as season at Chelsea, Mainoo is the kind of player to get 5 or so goals a season and Amad managed 9 in half a season before getting injured.
I know that an extra 10 to 15 goals out of our support attackers sounds kind of meagre, but we've had 21 games this season in all comps where we either drew, or lost by one goal. These are just the kind of games where someone other than Bruno needed to chip in with a goal, to save or win the game. The squad needs way more talent, but even if we'd only had the existing squad available, we could have mitigated a lot of the damage we've endured this year.
Sure we need a lot more goals out of our main strikers, but we also need our other attackers to chip in. Mount averaged 7 or 8 goals as season at Chelsea, Mainoo is the kind of player to get 5 or so goals a season and Amad managed 9 in half a season before getting injured.
I know that an extra 10 to 15 goals out of our support attackers sounds kind of meagre, but we've had 21 games this season in all comps where we either drew, or lost by one goal. These are just the kind of games where someone other than Bruno needed to chip in with a goal, to save or win the game. The squad needs way more talent, but even if we'd only had the existing squad available, we could have mitigated a lot of the damage we've endured this year.
I don't think more debt is the way to undo the damage the Glazers have done to the club.
Your point is...? Would you rather Amorim went with his strongest 11 in the remaining league games?
I have been thinking I'd still like to see a bit more flexibility and throwing caution to the wind when we're chasing a game. But last night was a step in the right direction on that front
Didn't we do this with Solsjeark after he beat PSG? Didn't we do this with Ten Hag, base a decision in keeping him based on an emotional one game after we beat Man City?
Wasn't there a big call to keep ETH over the summer and give him more players and and he was finally going to bring Ajax football to the premiership? now we here blaming Ten Hag for Amorim's failings? Are we not sick and tired of playing this game over and over?
Amorim's record is atrocious and would never be accepted at a serious run juggernaut of a club. Not even Ralf did this and he was ridiculed to high heaven. There is enough evidence he is the wrong man for the job and there is now calls we are going to give him 200million for players suited to his flawed system. We know how this story ends
Results are going to remain the same, players will give up on the system and by chrismas next year Ineos are going to get blamed for choosing to keep him. i've seen this story too many times. The glazers were blamed for giving Solskjear the job permanently and fans pretended it wasn't them who were barking for him to be given the job. ineos are rendered incompetent and not having any idea about football by not sacking Ten Hag earliier even though this is what the fans wanted.
Now the barking is for Amorim to be given a magical 5-8 dead end preseason in USA or China to build up match fitness with a transfer kitty and his one trick pony system is suddenly going to be a defensive fortress and dominate world football.
We not winning the europa with this type of defensive system. His sporting team also leaked goals for fun I already covered this.
I’m not sold on Ruben yet, but if you can’t celebrate a night like last night the sport isn’t for you. Similarly to say that the manager being better would’ve ensured a routine win is funny to me, as surely the players on the pitch would deserve some criticism for conceding 4 goals after being 2 up?
"System, system, system" when it's quite clear most of the players aren't good enough for any system, particularly in attack, midfield and keeper.
I really pity you. Last night is what football is all about, we’re not a finished side, we are at the beginning of a very difficult transitional period after being run horrifically for a decade.
If you cannot put all that aside and enjoy being on the right side of last night’s madness I’d suggest football isn’t the sport for you.
Why is the entire frontline gone? The part that wasn’t released by Amorim was Wout Weghorst.
Wan Bissaka started 16 league games and McTominay started 10. Mazraoui has replaced Wan Bissaka. Do you consider that a downgrade? How many of our signings this summer do you consider to have made us worse than last season? Five of the team that started last night were there in 22/23.
He hasn't made a single signing, since he's arrived we poached a youth player in Heaven and the management team brought in Dorgu as a cheap young runner.
As for freezing and loaning out players, it was reported for a while that management saw removing the likes of Rashford as key to our cultural reset.
As I said, not thinking his system is a long term winner, nor thinking he's the best man to manage our currently awful squad, are both fair. But there's no way he's been set up for anything other than failure.
We just have to accept that this is our level nowadays, we are not in the same bracket as Real or Bayern anymore hence we don't play against them. 4th placed Ligue 1 side is our level and we came out as winners. This season is the worst in decades, it is absolutely normal to enjoy the little that is available at the moment. In a season like this, winning the EL would be a miracle.
Obviously we have a maximum of 3 more games in the EL and that's what we have to play for, the league is over for us and we have to prioritize the only competition that can offer us something.
The Mount that was at Chelsea is very different to the player we have now. Mentioning his goal contributions for Chelsea feels irrelevant to the discussion around the goals he could theoretically score for United. It would be like mentioning Sanchez's numbers for Arsenal when discussing what he could bring to United 18 months after signing him.
This top red idea that you are not a real fan if you don't celebrate beating Lyon in a quarter final as if we won the competition is something to pity. I grew up on United winning trebles and losing league games was a whole week of pain. Now we are at the point we have a manager literally writing off league games to take pressure of himself so he can save himself hoping to win a second rate European competition.
I care about this club, not one result which will mean nothing when Atletico Balboa knock out us. Just as so when we beat Barcelona under Eric and we become delirious in celebration believing Ten Hag was the second coming of Sir Alex Fergusion only to get knocked out by Seville.
I enjoy supporting my club when I see we are making head way and making progress on the pitch. Shipping 4 goals at home to a 10 man Lyon is not progress, it's desperation
Any analysis of Mount that doesn’t start and end with his injury record is not worth discussing.
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