Did not realise it wasn't even 2 FA Cups, which even makes my point stronger.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Again, you’re just completely ignoring what I said. Did you miss the part where I said it was nowhere near good enough for United?
And yes, even in his terrible stint, he did achieve more success, objectively, by winning more honours.
Arteta's stint at Arsenal is often used as justification for why you should give managers time. So I'm a bit unsure why he's coming under criticism... as that would imply that maybe managers shouldn't be given all this time.
Amorim said it himself - at this club you don't really get time.
the gooners are rattled. Nice work chaps.Although why the flying feck they feel the need to lurk in a thread about Ruben Amorim (or indeed, on redcafe at all) is a mystery to me.
To be fair, one of the best qualities about this forum are the opposition fans offering their viewpoint too on football.
They weren't really trolling or anything.
With the season that’s in it I really don’t have any time for oppo fans on here tbh.
2 + 1 > 2
There is nothing wrong with opposition fans posting on the forum, but it’s slightly irritating when certain fans only ever seem to pop up when their side is doing relatively well, and then disappear when they go to shit. It’s a common theme, and gives the impression that they are mainly here to gloat and goad.
Talking of Arsenal and the side Artetas building is showing that having faith in a manager can come off. Amorim has been here 5 months, no big transfers, and no preseason. He has shown we are slightly improving and it is playing with 10 men, no striker, every game that is hampering us. Give him an half decent striker and Cunha and we will challenge for top 4 next season at least.
It may feel that way with this season but we always hear from players and experts how important a full preseason is.
If there's any season begging for some patience surely it's this one
Arsenal wouldn't have. The proof is in the pudding.
Really dont get this. If Hojlund had only one fuctional leg, was headless and played like a Sunday league clogger (really looks like that a lot of time), do you think any sensible manager would keep starting him, because "I dont have any other striker, what can I do but to wait until summer for a better one" poor excuse?
No, they would try and work around that. Playing a youngster, trying Fernandes, Amad or whoever as false nine, play them both centrally as forwards, feck play Maguire there etc. Especially when chances are created - not that many and of best quality - but stll decent enough for a pro player not complety shattered mentaly and simply lacking ability to even get on the end of them.
As for "not enough time for training because of playing games every other day" its also weird excuse as a game of football is also really good opportunity to implement your vision. Id say in a way even better than an hour long training drill given there isnt huge pressure on results because of taking over poor, unbalanced squad in crisis in the middle of campaign.
If Amorim was compromising his system simply trying to win games ugly (some people underestimate effect of constant defeats to longer term confidence of players and manager) I would understand it. But this is the worst of both worlds, shocking results and poor performances, with just slight improvement in overall shape, defensive structure and set-pieces. Massive job on Rubens hands to vastly improve next season, winning EL could certainly be an ideal catalyst towards that.
It’s only the first stage of a revolution. He trimmed the squad down and now has a middle class pl team available and that’s what shows. Second step will be to get players in that suit his system. With a pre season he will have to show a upwards trajectory, otherwise he will be out in December at the latest. Give him the benefit of the doubt until then
He has tried things. We've given games to a youngester (Chido) and we beat Lyon with Mainoo and Maguire up top. Zirkzee has been given opportunities there but has looked better in the number 10 position.
He won strictly more cups than Arteta. That's objective. Whether that means "greater success" considering where both clubs are now, is debatable.
He has tried, but only a few times and/or in desperation late in games. Then always coming back to Rasmus. Its bad for the lads head to even play him at his current mental state.
He is the only post Fergie permanent manager besides Ole that I do not dislike. Listening to his pre-match press conferences always calms me down regarding our current state and makes me want to believe in him. Hopefully, some of the confidence, guile and calm that he shows in the press conference starts to radiate in our performances too. Really like the guy and want him to succeed.
Uhm, he started Mainoo up top against Palace and got crucified for it.
Where is this slight improvement you talk of? We have gotten worse under Amorim, don’t understand why people deny that. I stand by he’s too one dimensional and when plan A doesn’t work he has no alternative. Plan A requires spending a lot more money than a manager with a conventional system and also our rising youngsters don’t fit his system. He might get plan A to work but at some point managers need to adapt otherwise their tactics get found out. I don’t think Amorim will ever change and it will be a short term appointment. I just don’t see the point in the club buying 2/3 wingbacks that won’t be needed for the next manager. We will probably sell Garnacho because he’s a winger. Does Mainoo fit in this system? Does Bruno really fit in this system? Does Amad fit in this system?
Worse in terms of results, yes. But not in terms of showing improvement in other aspects that we never had in the past years. Hence I am still positive for next season
Fully agree with you - the last 6/7 games, maybe more, we have been putting in solid performances with good patterns of play and creating chances. Add a proven goalscorer into the mix and I genuinely think the team gets transformed and we win the majority of those games that we either narrowly lost or drew.
If you're going purely off results, sure this hasn't been good enough from Amorim but the key is he's sticking to his way, the squad are developing and learning how to implement the system and we are going to add in better players over the summer. It's short term pain for long term gain - what we tried for the last 10 years didn't work so it's a new approach. Give it time, suck it up and see what next season brings. We could still win Europa this year as well!
Oppo fans are great on here, by and large. Sometimes they get too excited and the mods reign them back a bit, but having reality checks on some of the wild threads here is a good thing. This site is a lot more than United (or even football ).
Not sure about that when it comes to Arsenal fans. They come across as on rhe wind up. Or maybe they are genuinely deluded. Yeah I think it's that.
Or maybe it's the pressure of having to win the ECL to salvage another dissapointing domestic season.
I think they're the only club in the country I dislike purely for their fans. Everything else about the club I kind of admire(as far as a United fan can).
And we had a phase we did exceptionally well against top teams like City Liverpool Arsenal. There is promise but we need a top summer window
Seriously?
I don’t think any of that post is serious, really
Quality control
Now we're 15th, possibly 16th soon on the table. And we (or at least some of us) trust in a manager who's biggest result was to win a championship in a non-top league with Portugal's richest team which had the best players. Not a big feat to say the least, even ten Hag was better in this sense. I hope we're gonna have money to sign players he wants and the results will get better otherwise this whole Amorim-story will be the worst in United's history.
Do a little more digging about the state of Sporting before he took over and then we’ll leave it up to you if you want to show a little humility and make use of the edit feature.
Wolves have overtaken us in the table. If only one promoted team was truly Premier League quality, we'd be fighting to avoid relegation.
You are banging your head against a brick wall in here mate. He must not be judged until he’s had a pre season and hundreds of millions spent on players is the stance on here.
He is the worst Manchester United manager in my life time.
I said a while back, good couple of months ago, we’d finish 17, but I thought one of the promoted teams would have scrapped a few more points together to make it a bot closer.
Not that surprising when our main target to improve us is their player. Others in their team would start for us too.
By the look of things, their manager is better as well. So their progression relative to us makes sense.
Yep, Slot is the best manager too. That's how it works.
I did way before your cheap comment sorry. Sporting's squad value is 487.5 million euros which is by far the highest in Portugal, in a league where only four team's value are higher than 100 million. In fact, he won a league where he had only TWO opponents, Benfica and Porto. Did you know that in the past 20 years only 3 teams, Porto, Sporting and Benfica have won the league? So what?
And yet Sporting hadn’t won the league for twenty or so years, breaking that long dry spell under Amorim.
Where’s the facepalm emoji when you need it…
I wonder why Sporting's squad value is so high? Almost like the club has been improved and player's values have shot up??
And also this!
I think its very likely we finish 17th, leaving us at the worst team left in the league. Can anybody argue with that over the course of a season? I dont think so - I think every team weve played this season outside the bottom 3 have shown more identity and structure than us.