Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Marwood said:
Largely agree but we did struggle to get the ball out of our own third as we tend to in general. Last night I felt it was even worse than usual. Not sure I'd class that as individual mistakes either. It's just what we do.

Can't do that against Spurs.
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Yeah, I really think he's going to struggle next season if we're running Ugarte + another physical player in there next to him. Just a total lack of craft in the middle which we don't seem that interested in addressing.

I don't think it's much coincidence that pretty much every manager we've had since Carrick retired from playing has defaulted to playing a bit more direct to bypass our midfield, even the guy who came from Ajax. Amorim at the moment seems to stubborn to do that (which I don't think is a bad thing, long term), so he's going to need some help in the market.
 
roseguy64 said:
Being in the top 6/7 where we have been for the last decade is asking for instant success? The mind boggles. No one has asked for us to be winning the league. People have even downgraded from top 4 and wanted to be in the Europa/Conference spots. That's asking for too much? Wow.
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No, you’ve missed my point. I DO want to win the league and be genuinely fighting for a the CL. But due to the complete incompetence of how this squad has been assembled, it isn’t going happen overnight so we to take a different approach to the high price / high risk which has landed us in financial problems and unable to genuinely challenge in the league or even have two high finishes in a row.
 
stevoc said:
Define ''instant success''?

What were people expecting that was unreasonable?
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I was referring to the club, not the fans. This constant boom bust approach to our transfer strategy has gradually reduced the quality of the squad and cost us a small fortune. Panicking over transfers like Antony, Mount, Sanchez to name a few.

It appears now, that they have found a manager that they think is the right person and appear to be changing their transfer strategy to look at younger players.

Now this might come good next season and see us challenging for top 4 (probably more likely if we don’t have European football), but it might be that the improvement is a little more gradual.

The main debate on this thread is already whether we get rid or stick with Amorim due to our poor league performances and his “stubborn formation”, so my response was about why I think the club will stick by him and that fans might have to dig in as we aren’t going to sack him and start over again because of 6months of poor league form.
 
Dion said:
Yeah, I really think he's going to struggle next season if we're running Ugarte + another physical player in there next to him. Just a total lack of craft in the middle which we don't seem that interested in addressing.

I don't think it's much coincidence that pretty much every manager we've had since Carrick retired from playing has defaulted to playing a bit more direct to bypass our midfield, even the guy who came from Ajax. Amorim at the moment seems to stubborn to do that (which I don't think is a bad thing, long term), so he's going to need some help in the market.
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Yeah always said Ole's biggest mistake was thinking Fred and McTominay, or those types, were the way to go in CM.

But we've gone down that route before and after Ole as well and it's just such a blindspot we have as a club. It's quite incredible really how we keep neglecting ball players in CM.

Anytime we flirt with guys who can pass the ball like Eriksen and Case in their first season or Matic and Pogba before they both dropped levels, we see that immediate improvement.

I think Amorim knows this though. He keeps dropping Bruno into CM, keeps dropping Ugarte or at least bringing him off early. Gives me hope.
 
Bonnie Tyler said:
I’m not convinced his tactical setup is built for the weekly grind of the Premier League. However, you can't deny the results in Europe are better. Is that a testament to the system, or simply a reflection of the lower overall standard in the Europa League?
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It's fair to point out the lower standard of the EL, but it also feels like they counter our apparent weakness less. EL sides on average just are less physical, and we seem to cope well with that.

Another factor might be motivation of course. It's been clear for months that we won't do anything in the league, while the EL final was always a possibility. In all likelihood, it's a combination of multiple factors making us perform better in Europe.
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
I just think if we changed managers every couple of seasons then it will be like the previous 10 years. A Cup here and there. Managers need time he has done well getting rid of Rashford , Sancho etc so he will do for me mate.
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Yeah that's fine and I agree on getting rid of Sancho,rashford etc that's a good sign and something I'd hope most managers would decide given their disruption to a side but I'm more concerned in what I see every week from this actual team the improvement the ability to defend and attack what's going on in training etc.lets hope with some players coming back and hopefully getting a trophy it kick-starts us onto better things it's just the rest of the season that's frustrated most.
 
Amorim has a huge job in the league.

We lose a feckloads under him. So it’s justified. I can’t think of a top level manager who has ever recovered from such a bad start to their career at a club.

I like him but this is unacceptable, and he knows it. He knows that this form will get him sacked. He’s a smart man.
 
Spurs are sacking Ange regardless of what happens in the final. I think we need to move in the same direction as this has been appalling.
 
He’s just not got the hang of the league at all. Theres too much physicality and compactness for us. We just don’t know how to negotiate these games.
Think we’ve got no chance against Spurs tbh.

Europe has suited us because all these European teams want to attack, press high and play football and they don’t have particularly big, strong and quick players. Lyon, Sociedad and Bilbao all had similar types of players and tried to play in similar ways.

PL is a totally different story and you can see it week in week out. We don’t get enough players in the box and we’re up against sides with 3/4 6 foot 5 defenders. We lose 90-95% of duals it seems like. And opposition are happy to sit in, play compact and break with speed. Every old Trafford game has followed the same story.

Said it a few times earlier this season but unless there is major surgery in the summer this team will be in a relegation battle next season, not a single doubt in my mind about that.

Someone will pop up with an excuse about having nothing to play for but West Ham didn’t have anything to play for today and we’ve been playing like this since November.
The idea that this team will sign the likes of cunha and delap in the summer and go from 16-17th to a top half side is completely laughable.
As much as I like Amorim and want him to succeed I think he goes quite early next season especially if we lose the final.
 
Bojan11 said:
Spurs are sacking Ange regardless of what happens in the final. I think we need to move in the same direction as this has been appalling.
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And let the players come away scot free again? Half of them today didn't look like they give a feck.
 
Sack him after the final, regardless of the result vs Spurs. It would be negligent to entrust a manager to oversee around £150m worth of recruitment after such a disastrous 6 months in the league.
 
Even if we win the EL somehow, I'd sack him.

6 wins in 25 PL games is completely unacceptable, whichever way you look at it and we're unlikely to get much from the Chelsea and Villa games.
 
Disgraceful record as Utd manager. Disgusting formation. Shite team selection. Not a fan of his.
 
If we lose the Europa league then he'll have to go. If he wins then he has 4 or 5 games next season to prove he can produce some ok-ish results.
 
Nope. I just don't believe he can turn it around. I hope I'm wrong because I think we're stuck with him for now, but I just don't see it.
 
Both Ange and Amorim deserve the sack regardless of what happens next week. Winning the EL just gives the new manager a big financial boost next season.
 
I don't want him gone, but I think he's getting sacked next season. He won't have the summer to transform this team with a small budget. Mind you I think that for any manager out there if we bring them in too.


I just don't have faith in INEOS and recruitment
 
Yes probably will be sack regardless of the EL (even if somehow win)
 
Look lads. We have been here before. Yes this is probably the worse squad not even Pep or Ancelotti could improve it. But Jesus it's not 16th place bad. We have to take a step back and actually look at it all. None of this gives me any confidence in our Manager right now which just sucks. We can't make the same mistake with ETH. This isn't it.
 
Totally unacceptable return in the league, no excuses can mitigate it, he has been an abject failure so far.

We didn't expect to be pushing CL places when he came in, but around midtable and showing progress would have been acceptable.

He's missed that by miles.
 
The most worrying thing is that he is not a suitable manager for PL. His style of play more suitable for Europe because games played at lower pace.

It will be extremely risky to go with him next season in PL. Regardless of the EL final results I think he should go. Otherwise we will struggle in the league again next season.
 
Dont think it's viable for him to start next season as manager. From a risk management perspective, think we need to make the move after the final or it could be another wasted season
 
All I'll say is that if we let last summer repeat itself and we're looking at another league season like this one, for the third season on the bounce, it could finish the club. We thought it couldn't get worse after this season, and it can definitely get worse next season again.
 
Bojan11 said:
Spurs are sacking Ange regardless of what happens in the final. I think we need to move in the same direction as this has been appalling.
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Amorim's excuse is he's come in mid-season and picked up somebody else's team. Fair enough but he's got to show immediate improvement next season when he gets some players in.
 
Acquire Me said:
Only a few matches to go. Who the feck cares about Premier League at this point.
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I do and so should the players, as they're still playing for their pride and right to be a Man United player.

How many seasons are we going to keep on writing off as we're not challenging for the league.

The standards are rock bottom.
 
Disgraceful record in the PL. I don't think a EL win is enough to convince me that he can turn it around.
 
Acquire Me said:
Only a few matches to go. Who the feck cares about Premier League at this point.
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Lots of people during the matches. Understandable because we've been shit. But personally, meh.

Like I understand the people who are sick and want Amorim gone on the basis of PL results. But I choose to focus on what he and the players have done in the EL(where it has mattered most this season) and hopefully that is more of a sign of what we will see next season(with better players coming in) and not what has been shown in the PL lately.
 
As a neutral it baffles me this guy has come in and is just chucking away home game after home game.

All the managers who come in at the top make home form a priority.

We Villa had amazing home form under Emery. Only lost once at Villa Park all season. Howe at Newcastle and Arteta at Arsenal also made sides with mediocre home form very tough to beat so quickly.

Think Chelsea have only lost once at Stamford Bridge in the league under Maresca since opening day of the season.

Amorim's record at Old Trafford in the league since turning up:

Played 12 W 3 D2 L7.

Two of those wins came against Ipswich and Southampton. Also Everton under Dyche compared to Moyes.

So very little to indicate he's going to reel off 10-11 home wins next season which you need to be in serious contention for top 5 given every team in the mix bar Forest has won at least ten home games.

Europa league this and that but no one was mentioning it in the winter and he was losing endless home games in December and January.
 
Acquire Me said:
Only a few matches to go. Who the feck cares about Premier League at this point.
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Exactly mate. None of that "pride" lark around these parts. It's a deadly sin. I was disgusted watching Southampton put an effort in against City yesterday and even moreso by West Ham today. All that effort, and for what? Someone should have told them that they had nothing to play for.
 
The team lacks cohesion more than it did under Ten Hag's crazy tactics.

He should go regardless of the EL final, which United reached after some insane luck and a few individual players raising their level.
 
Wonder if he might actually just quit at the end of the season. From punching tvs and admitting we’re the worst a United side in premier league history, he cant be happy or optimistic with this.

Would be weird if both managers left after the final, regardless of who wins.
 
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