Sounds like AVB. And that worked out.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Sounds like AVB. And that worked out.
The galaxy of difference between ETH winning the FA Cup and RA winning the EL trophy is that ETH won it with his squad. If RA wins it, it will be with ETH’s squad, not his squad.
ETH brought in a keeper and a striker who are unfit for purpose in the PL. These two players, Onana and Hojlund, are by far are two weakest players of our regular starting XI. There’s not much RA or any other manager could have done to purge their ineptitude and turn them into players that even Palace would take on a free transfer.
Everybody was ecstatic about both those signings on this forum. Shows we know feck all.
Oh we’ve had so many.
I remember how much better we were gonna be once Pogba’s attitude had been shown the door.
Particularly Onana... He was going to be transformative.
Maybe for now because needs must but based on the profiles he had at Sporting, few of these are the
Is Amad really a RWB? Or is he a 10?
Amad won’t even be the two way player other top wing backs are. The RWB doesn’t have to be the most skillful player but he needs to have an engine. Think Dumfries for Inter - the only Dutch player Ten Hag didn’t buy!!!
Assuming Cunha takes a 10 role and let’s say Amad the other, where does Bruno and Mount play? Neither are great as the deeper 6’s.
Amorim needs ball playing CBs. The central of the 3 needs to be able to hit those long cross field balls like Sebastian Coates would. Can De Ligt to that?
Where does Maz go? He’s not a RWB and he’s looked uncomfortable at RCB.
Yoro, I see as a great fit at RCB once hopefully we have Martinez back. But is he injury prone or just unlucky?
I think Amorim would love to have found an answer for the two deeper mids, the wing backs and the forward bur he doesn’t have that, imo.
Not attacking you, sorry if it seemed so. Just saying what the club should maybe do.
I was not on board with bringing in Onana. As for Hojlund, I had never heard of him so I no opinion one way or the other. I recall there being questions about Hojlund though guarded optimism, but hardly anything close to ecstasy.
But back to Onana, you are absolutely correct that most caftards were ecstatic about bringing him in. He was destined to bring about a "transformation" of our outfield play, you see, due to his brilliance with the ball at his feet. The mania was actually more about an agenda against De Gea than it was anything about Onana in particular, though the general sentiment at the time was that anybody would be an upgrade on De Gea. I would listen to Rooney, who has recently called for United to re-sign De Gea, before anyone here.
That is a fair point and that is the only reason for not sacking Amorim on Sunday. This is not his squad. But on the other hand we know that he only seems capable of coaching 'his' players despite having 22 internationals to choose from.
ETH was the opposite, he produced the best football in his early vs Barca for example but the more players he signed the worse the team got. What an awful achievement.
The delusion of this statement. Also doesn’t even mention GK. He really is one to ignore on United related matters.
Certainly was not
Maybe he can donate some of his.
Where's the delusion? He's spot on? Doesn't mean its going to happen, and he's not saying it will. But he's not wrong in that's what needed.
He and Beckham both basically said "get the manager the players he wants", as if we haven't tried and failed over and over with that shit approach.
A)We are up against it with PSR and the financial situation of the club hinges on a win Wednesday and any sales to fund any signings beyond Cunha and Delap.
B)Most of the players we need to move on in any clearout are unsellable for one reason or another so an overhaul is an impossibility.
C)We’ve just signed a wingback in January yet he prioritizes two more over goalkeeper which isn’t even on his list.
D)ufus.
All of that's right....but he's still not wrong.
Yeah just more of the same. As if it hasn’t bit us in the arse over and over again.
Not sure how you work that out but you do you.
Because we do need those players? What's so complicated for you
am I missing something? I know I've just woken up, but you are making me feel like I'm crazy and I'm baffled.Yes and I need someone to pay my mortgage off this summer but it isn’t happening.Because we do need those players? What's so complicated for you
So it's simply not realistic, which is obvious, but you knew exactly what I meant yet wanted to bang heads over it? Fair enough.
I’m just tired of Neville and his hot takes on United. Beckham I have some time for even if I disagree as I think he’s genuine in his assessments and wants what’s best for the club. But Neville generally stirs shit for the sake of it and I’m not sure even he believes half of what he says anymore. And again if what he says is so unrealistic I’m not sure what purpose he’s serving in saying it.
He deserves at least half a season (ok, maybe a couple of months) with a proper centre forward and a decent goalkeeper.
If we sort out those 2 positions and we're still losing games at the same rate, then he'll have to go as we'll be relegated otherwise.
If we sort out those 2 positions and we're still losing games at the same rate, then he'll have to go as we'll be relegated otherwise.
Cunha and Gyokeres (hopefully) will paint a very different picture to what we have now. But no matter how many players we sign, I will remain pessimistic as long as Onana is the GK. I'd even take Romero ahead of him.. there's nothing about Onana that makes me feel secure at the back.... it doesn't even matter if all the 3 CBs play really well. If Onana is having an off day he'll keep conceding silly goals left and right.
He’s actively making it harder for us to build a winning team in my opinion. He is over complicating football unnecessarily. We do not even need as many players as is being made out, much of it is owed to ‘the way he sees football’.
Get a simple 433. I think most of the team is here to challenge for the league in 3 years.
—————————Goalkeeper——————————
—Mazraoui——— Yoro—Heaven———Dorgu—
—————————— Wharton——————————
—————Koné—————————Mainoo————
— Amad——————Striker————Garnacho—
Do that and wait. That team has all of the ingredients. Buy a new goalkeeper, buy Adam Wharton and buy a striker who can score goals. If Amad and Garnacho develop into high scoring forwards, which I think they can, then we can even go with more a false 9 which could be Cunha, or even Zirkzee, development dependent.
Midfield is life after Bruno. No 10. A double 8, similar to PSG. Has ability to keep the ball, Koné can also chase and press off of it and the grown man version of him, Mainoo and Wharton will also have enough strength. He’ll still be in the oven for 2 or 3 years, but Ugarte can do this in the meantime. Mainoo is good going forward and will get goals, but still facilitate fundamental midfield control.
Up top Garnacho currently wastes 3 presentable chances per game. He’s 20. He could easily become a 15+ league goal wide player within 2 years. Amad’s quality speaks for itself, he could go all the way to the top.
In defence, I think Dorgu can be a very good left back, even if not some sort of pseudo winger. Physical attributes are there, good on the overlap and can just cross the ball. Yoro and Heaven are two excellent centre half prospects, well balanced with right and left foot. Mazraoui and Dalot are good right backs that also provide experience, although this area could be strengthened at some point if an opportunity arises.
That’s not even the 6 or 7 first team signings people say we need every year. We can add experience here and there, but we are over complicating football with Amorim and he will set us back years by the time he assembles his weird squad and then departs. Have players playing in their strongest positions, add real quality in a couple of key areas and then let the team develop. A lot of promise is already in this squad. Part of the issue is they are all being retrained and reprogrammed at the moment, which is wholly unnecessary.
Get a simple 433. I think most of the team is here to challenge for the league in 3 years.
—————————Goalkeeper——————————
—Mazraoui——— Yoro—Heaven———Dorgu—
—————————— Wharton——————————
—————Koné—————————Mainoo————
— Amad——————Striker————Garnacho—
Do that and wait. That team has all of the ingredients. Buy a new goalkeeper, buy Adam Wharton and buy a striker who can score goals. If Amad and Garnacho develop into high scoring forwards, which I think they can, then we can even go with more a false 9 which could be Cunha, or even Zirkzee, development dependent.
Midfield is life after Bruno. No 10. A double 8, similar to PSG. Has ability to keep the ball, Koné can also chase and press off of it and the grown man version of him, Mainoo and Wharton will also have enough strength. He’ll still be in the oven for 2 or 3 years, but Ugarte can do this in the meantime. Mainoo is good going forward and will get goals, but still facilitate fundamental midfield control.
Up top Garnacho currently wastes 3 presentable chances per game. He’s 20. He could easily become a 15+ league goal wide player within 2 years. Amad’s quality speaks for itself, he could go all the way to the top.
In defence, I think Dorgu can be a very good left back, even if not some sort of pseudo winger. Physical attributes are there, good on the overlap and can just cross the ball. Yoro and Heaven are two excellent centre half prospects, well balanced with right and left foot. Mazraoui and Dalot are good right backs that also provide experience, although this area could be strengthened at some point if an opportunity arises.
That’s not even the 6 or 7 first team signings people say we need every year. We can add experience here and there, but we are over complicating football with Amorim and he will set us back years by the time he assembles his weird squad and then departs. Have players playing in their strongest positions, add real quality in a couple of key areas and then let the team develop. A lot of promise is already in this squad. Part of the issue is they are all being retrained and reprogrammed at the moment, which is wholly unnecessary.
Not true at all. Many complained that Hojlund has not been scoring enough and lacks experience while Onanas errors or weaknesses were highlighted heavily too
I think it’s more “get the coach the player he needs”. I doubt they mean that he has to pick the players, but between them and the whole recruitment team they should be able to identify good options for the key positions.
Semantics, but if you replace 'wants' with 'needs', we're making big progress as a club
Every season we hear scary stories about PSR and still spend 150-200m.
Can anyone explain why we are not using the same system as the 1st team in the under 18's and 21's?
Because our grand strategy by the best in class isn't all that grand
Because we are dumb as feck.
The aim of the academy is to give talented players the best coaching and environment to make it in the professional game with the hope the best kids of the academy are good enough to make it to our first team.
Not set up a formation that can be replicated at all ages.
Maybe they didn't want to change it mid season? Having all age groups playing the same system and style of play was something Wilcox implemented straight away at Southampton when he became sporting director. Obviously that was important at Man City where he oversaw all that when he was academy director so I'm expecting us to do the same moving forward.
I assume it would start from next season? Given Amorim was not here at the start + they likely have seen the crapshoot of the first team struggling this season and thought best wait and then you get full pre season? If we're still not doin git by next season, will be weird though.
Maybe it's just me, but the one place where results don't actually matter and where you can afford to change it mid season is in these teams.
At which point, what happens if they're not able to play the way the first team manager wants not because of lack of talent, but because they just don't have the experience to flourish in this system?
Trevor wants them all to be system players... Amorim was asked this question and his response was he didn't want players to be focused on formations, it was about understanding and having ability to play all formations.
This has been done to death.
There's very few positions that are so specialized that they only work in a 353 formation and not other formations. Wing backs is probably one but even then it's hardly a huge leap to transition to a more traditional left back.
It is results wise but I'm thinking they didn't want to confuse the young players by switching it three months into a season where they would have to learn a new system, full backs would have to become wing backs, centre backs defending in wide areas more etc. I'm not sure if that's the case just speculating on why they never switched after Amorim came in. We'll find out at the start of next season but personally I would find it surprising if we don't implement the same system across age groups going forward given the history of our technical director.