Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Big Ron’s Coat]

Top 6 hasn’t ever meant more than 66 points, and is often a fair few less.
It always still means losing between 10-13 games. (Around a third).
Of course that’s what we should expect from any competent manager.

Especially with no Europe to contend with.

 

[Posh Red]

Not challenging for the Top 4 is ok, but apart from that, standards/expectations have to return next season. Even more so with the reduced schedule.

If/when INEOS add Cunha and Mbeumo to the attack the manager can’t be scrapping around the lower half of the table.

Certain players might not be perfect but 15th can never happen again, even if you only change 2-3 players the demand needs to be around 6th place most of the campaign.

There is no way the manager will be tolerated if he’s not at least in the European spots next season. I’m happy to see how he does, but I also hope the hierarchy are considering alternatives for a worst case scenario.

 

[Brand Nubian]

I have no idea what Amorim thinks man or what he wants from this system in the premier league, but he certainly appears to like him there.

You’re the one playing mind reader here pal.

You dont need a mind reader to quess whether Bruno is better to recieve passes from CBs back to goal in front of Onana rather than in move close to opposition box. But I got you are long been: contrarian, opposite to number of your previous posts, you now just picking fights, good luck with that.

 

[Kayla40TS]

1290 pages on this thread and 90% of the people posting on it still don't know the difference between formation and tactics. Astounding.

 

[United will never die]

Say what you want about him but he’s the smartest manager we have hired post Sir Alex. Identified the issues, identified the wrong attitude/workshy players, removed those players, identified the right players and signing the right players from the premier league. All these things were missing in previous managers.

All up to his coaching abilities now.

 

[Brand Nubian]

1290 pages on this thread and 90% of the people posting on it still don't know the difference between formation and tactics. Astounding.

There is one. They put it bluntly but its there. So far, what we have seen:

1. Pointlessly recycle possession across the back five.
2. Progress the ball to the wing-back, who lacks viable passing outlets.
3. Under pressure, the ball is hoofed down the channel.
4. We don't have a Gyökeres against Portuguse league CB's positioned in the channel to contest the ball, resulting in a turnover.
5. Regain possession.
6. Repeat from step 1.

We will improve with better players. But it'll be a waste of time having them play under this manager

Hopefully it gets better with pre-season, more of training ground drills and new signings.

 

[Posh Red]

There is one. They put it bluntly but its there. So far, what we have seen:



Hopefully it gets better with pre-season, more of training ground drills and new signings.

Do you actually think this post is accurate and not extremely childish?

 

[Brand Nubian]

Do you actually think this post is accurate and not extremely childish?

In open play, yes I do think this is close to reality. Whats childish about that post from Ezkay? Told it just like a lot of fans have seen it this year.

 

[Posh Red]

In open play, yes I do think this is close to reality. Whats childish about that post from Ezkay? Told it just like a lot of fans have seen it this year.

Because it reduces the strategy of our coach and his team to a few arbitrary points that deliberately try to insinuate he’s thick and crap at his job, which is obviously really ignorant and silly.

 

[Blood Mage]

Not challenging for the Top 4 is ok, but apart from that, standards/expectations have to return next season. Even more so with the reduced schedule.

If/when INEOS add Cunha and Mbeumo to the attack the manager can’t be scrapping around the lower half of the table.

Certain players might not be perfect but 15th can never happen again, even if you only change 2-3 players the demand needs to be around 6th place most of the campaign.

This is good, he can't hide behind 'I wasn't backed' excuses and will be out of the door quickly if things continue to be shite.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You dont need a mind reader to quess whether Bruno is better to recieve passes from CBs back to goal in front of Onana rather than in move close to opposition box. But I got you are long been: contrarian, opposite to number of your previous posts, you now just picking fights, good luck with that.

Tiring! You realise you picked this fight right? By claiming we wouldn’t need to replace Bruno.

Amorim obviously sees something in him, with this deeper role, yet you started a fight because you simply cannot believe Amorim actually likes him in the role he plays him. You think you have the answer to that conundrum.

 

[Wolfbot]

Not challenging for the Top 4 is ok, but apart from that, standards/expectations have to return next season. Even more so with the reduced schedule.

If/when INEOS add Cunha and Mbeumo to the attack the manager can’t be scrapping around the lower half of the table.

Certain players might not be perfect but 15th can never happen again, even if you only change 2-3 players the demand needs to be around 6th place most of the campaign.

We can't just demand something and make it so, there's plenty teams with more than decent players in the league.

Our goals conceded and goals scored has been pretty bang average for the last few seasons, (with the notable exception of even less goals this season just past which is probably the main reason we ended up 15th).

If Cunha and Mbeumo come in (maybe even a striker) we'd expect the goals to increase and naturally finish higher up the table, but we don't have any right to demand a top six finish until we see what they can actually do.

If we do manage to get rid of flappy hands and replace him with someone more reliable, as well as bringing in new attackers, we'd have better chance at it. It's not just the glaring errors, there's loads of goals he let's past him where another keeper likely does save them, the "could the keeper have done better?" moments, with the answer usually a resounding yes.

I think we're unlikely to do much to the midfield this window and that will probably be next year.

With more goals up front and a new goalkeeper, we should be doing relatively well and capable of reaching 6th. If we leave the goalkeeper, I think we concede a similar amount of goals as this year and rely on the attackers scoring a hell of a lot more to see any significant improvement, it might be too much of an ask.

If we have an attack that can actually keep the ball and pose a significant threat though, it may cause the opposition more doubt and we'll be more enjoyable to watch if nothing else.

I don't expect a lower table scrap again provided we get our targets, but I wouldn't be shocked if we're still in a very midtable position.

 

[Bobby_2024]

We cant judge a season or the manager with a GK who makes frequent blunders and a striker cant score many.
Forget about leaking silly goals but our attack was virtually non-existent last season and our midfield was constantly getting overrun.

One thing I noticed is we created good scoring chances for sure, so with better players and finishers our results can only improve.

Europa league final provided he is bit stubborn with his tactics for sure as we left lot of space in the middle of the park with 3-4-3 (this could be his ultimate downfall too) but I hope he fix that next season by bringing in a good DM and a proper wing back.

 

[Vidooq]

I just hope that the times when scoring a goal in the Premier League seemed like the hardest thing to do for United. Nice firepower added, and if we get Gyokeres by any chance, we will have a 4-5 players that are proven goalscorers, unlike the past 10+ years.

 

[OnceRedAlwaysRed]

Say what you want about him but he’s the smartest manager we have hired post Sir Alex. Identified the issues, identified the wrong attitude/workshy players, removed those players, identified the right players and signing the right players from the premier league. All these things were missing in previous managers.

All up to his coaching abilities now.

Sorry but even Mourinho identified all the problems, he told the media about the wrong attitude/workshy players and more, not to mention Rangnick who was very critical with the players, the whole hierarchy of the club and so on. So what Amorim does is nothing special, he just wants to put together a squad which fits to his famous "system". Which could be the biggest backfire in the clubs history if he won't succeed. Let's see.

 

[RedSince82]

Say what you want about him but he’s the smartest manager we have hired post Sir Alex. Identified the issues, identified the wrong attitude/workshy players, removed those players, identified the right players and signing the right players from the premier league. All these things were missing in previous managers.

All up to his coaching abilities now.

Its true he has done the above. But others tried to do the same but were not backed by the money men. SJR is the difference. People hate him, but he has refused to be led by player power and backed the manager in a way the Glazers/Woodward did not.

 

[Rista]

Sorry but even Mourinho identified all the problems, he told the media about the wrong attitude/workshy players and more, not to mention Rangnick who was very critical with the players, the whole hierarchy of the club and so on. So what Amorim does is nothing special, he just wants to put together a squad which fits to his famous "system". Which could be the biggest backfire in the clubs history if he won't succeed. Let's see.

Indeed. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far in terms of our activity in the transfer market, but let's not forget that fans thought every window over the past few years was very good. It will now be up to the manager to set the team up for success. If this experiment with an inflexible manager who uses a less common system fails, we are in big trouble.

 

[Attila]

I was watching those Adam Clery tactical videos about us and it made me realise how hard it has been for Amorim. Football has reached an insane level of tactical detail which is hard to carry out with Onana to Lindelof to Ugarte

The recruitment has been a disaster and the whole squad needs ripping up. Changing manager isn't going to help

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I was watching those Adam Clery tactical videos about us and it made me realise how hard it has been for Amorim. Football has reached an insane level of tactical detail which is hard to carry out with Onana to Lindelof to Ugarte

The recruitment has been a disaster and the whole squad needs ripping up. Changing manager isn't going to help

I think Amorim will get more out of the lads that are here once we sort out our attack. If you have such limited ability to punish teams with our attack then everything becomes more difficult as the opposition has no fear of repercussions.

It's a bit like a boxer. You can have the best boxing fundamentals in the world but if your jab doesn't even sting then it's very hard to keep an opponent from just swarming you with ease.

 

[Andy_Cole]

I think Amorim will get more out of the lads that are here once we sort out our attack. If you have such limited ability to punish teams with our attack then everything becomes more difficult as the opposition has no fear of repercussions.

It's a bit like a boxer. You can have the best boxing fundamentals in the world but if your jab doesn't even sting then it's very hard to keep an opponent from just swarming you with ease.

Add to this having a competent keeper. Using your boxer analogy, said boxer also has a glass jaw!

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Add to this having a competent keeper. Using your boxer analogy, said boxer also has a glass jaw!

Yeah I'd say that's less of a weekly thing but it does make it so hard to build up any sort of momentum. You put in all the work to string a couple of results together then Onana just throws a couple in. Not going to get us anywhere.

 

[Attila]

I think Amorim will get more out of the lads that are here once we sort out our attack. If you have such limited ability to punish teams with our attack then everything becomes more difficult as the opposition has no fear of repercussions.

It's a bit like a boxer. You can have the best boxing fundamentals in the world but if your jab doesn't even sting then it's very hard to keep an opponent from just swarming you with ease.

Watching those tactical videos...It was like you can coach the attacking side but its no use if the defence cant get the ball to the attack and our build up starts with the clown Onana to other clowns in defence to Ugarte who cant handle the ball. Basically made it sound like adding some attackers isn't going to help we need to fix this whole 11 from GK up

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

We cant judge a season or the manager with a GK who makes frequent blunders and a striker cant score many.
Forget about leaking silly goals but our attack was virtually non-existent last season and our midfield was constantly getting overrun.

One thing I noticed is we created good scoring chances for sure, so with better players and finishers our results can only improve.

Europa league final provided he is bit stubborn with his tactics for sure as we left lot of space in the middle of the park with 3-4-3 (this could be his ultimate downfall too) but I hope he fix that next season by bringing in a good DM and a proper wing back.

Cunha, Gyökeres and Mbuemo would cost ca 180m, can we afford to spend 100m on a WB and a CM? I don't think so and Dorgu and Dalot/Amad will be our WBs next season. A CM is a must, Casemiro or Ugarte are not good enough.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Watching those tactical videos...It was like you can coach the attacking side but its no use if the defence cant get the ball to the attack and our build up starts with the clown Onana to other clowns in defence to Ugarte who cant handle the ball. Basically made it sound like adding some attackers isn't going to help we need to fix this whole 11 from GK up

Yoro, Heaven, Martinez, Mazraoui, Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno and others are all good passers of the ball. Even if we all agree that Onana hasn't lived up to his billing as a ball playing keeper, there are loads of teams who effectively get the ball forwards with keepers who have average passing.

Teams just don't fear us and know we can't punish them or build momentum. We can improve nearly everywhere but I think some will be surprised at how big of a difference we see from just having some cutting edge up front.

 

[Attila]

Yoro, Heaven, Martinez, Mazraoui, Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno and others are all good passers of the ball. Even if we all agree that Onana hasn't lived up to his billing as a ball playing keeper, there are loads of teams who effectively get the ball forwards with keepers who have average passing.

Teams just don't fear us and know we can't punish them or build momentum. We can improve nearly everywhere but I think some will be surprised at how big of a difference we see from just having some cutting edge up front.

Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro...clear liabilities that need removed. Either too short, too fat or too old

Bruno is another liability who should have been sold. How many times did he give the ball away in that final? 17?

 

[stepic]

There is one. They put it bluntly but its there. So far, what we have seen:



Hopefully it gets better with pre-season, more of training ground drills and new signings.

Yeah he really isn’t part of the 10%. And neither are you pal.

 

[erikcred]

Say what you want about him but he’s the smartest manager we have hired post Sir Alex. Identified the issues, identified the wrong attitude/workshy players, removed those players, identified the right players and signing the right players from the premier league. All these things were missing in previous managers.

All up to his coaching abilities now.

Say what you want about him but he’s the best manager we’ve ever hired, better than SAF.

 

[stepic]

Say what you want about him but he’s the best manager we’ve ever hired, better than SAF.

Yawn

 

[santeria13]

Its true he has done the above. But others tried to do the same but were not backed by the money men. SJR is the difference. People hate him, but he has refused to be led by player power and backed the manager in a way the Glazers/Woodward did not.

This. As much as people hate him, I think Jose could have had us in a title race the season after we finished 2nd with 84 points if he was properly backed and we got rid of the players with terrible attitudes he identified/bringing in the profile of player he wanted with the funds. In my opinion, it was the first and only time since Fergie retired we looked on the verge of being a team that could compete.

One thing he was right about is that players with terrible attitudes are like a virus, and it spreads fast. Even faster when the other players see they can get away with such behaviour.

Do I have my doubts about INEOS? Absolutely, but at the very least, this is the first year since Fergie retired the manager has been backed over shitty player behaviour.

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[Rista]

Watching those tactical videos...It was like you can coach the attacking side but its no use if the defence cant get the ball to the attack and our build up starts with the clown Onana to other clowns in defence to Ugarte who cant handle the ball. Basically made it sound like adding some attackers isn't going to help we need to fix this whole 11 from GK up

We need a whole new 11. What a great tactical insight from them. It was literally this regime that brought in Ugarte so what hope do we have by that logic?

This. As much as people hate him, I think Jose could have had us in a title race the season after we finished 2nd with 84 points if he was properly backed and we got rid of the players with terrible attitudes he identified/bringing in the profile of player he wanted with the funds. In my opinion, it was the first and only time since Fergie retired we looked on the verge of being a team that could compete.

One thing he was right about is that players with terrible attitudes are like a virus, and it spreads fast. Even faster when the other players see they can get away with such behaviour.

Do I have my doubts about INEOS? Absolutely, but at the very least, this is the first year since Fergie retired the manager has been backed over shitty player behaviour.

How was ETH not backed over shitty player behaviour?

 

[Beachryan]

I'm most curious as to where he manages to fit in Bruno. His inability to run with the ball means he can't really be a 10, and he's obviously not going to be disciplined or defensive enough to be one of the two central midfielders. His productivity is still amazing, but I really don't get how you fit him in as anything other than a second striker or part of a three.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Sign some fecking players then.

 

[maximus419]

Why is the club briefing this stuff out? Basically all they are doing is casting doubts about Amorims tenure, sending a message that will only serve to undermine him. The job itself is tough enough without senior management speaking to the press and making the job impossible. Cannot understand the people running this club. I'm no fan of what Amorim has done so far at Utd, but this is a terrible way to treat him.

 

[Bobby_2024]

Cunha, Gyökeres and Mbuemo would cost ca 180m, can we afford to spend 100m on a WB and a CM? I don't think so and Dorgu and Dalot/Amad will be our WBs next season. A CM is a must, Casemiro or Ugarte are not good enough.

Easily we can afford it,
The money we get from Garnacho,Rashford,Hoijlund,Sancho and Antony would easily cover that 180 we spend on Gyokeres,Cunha and Mbeumo.
Means we can use this year 100M on CM and a WB, on top of that we are aiming smart deals like spreading fees across 4 years means we can bring in more players this year.

 

[Bruno8]

Easily we can afford it,
The money we get from Garnacho,Rashford,Hoijlund,Sancho and Antony would easily cover that 180 we spend on Gyokeres,Cunha and Mbeumo.
Means we can use this year 100M on CM and a WB, on top of that we are aiming smart deals like spreading fees across 4 years means we can bring in more players this year.

Everyone seems to be counting their chickens before they are hatched. None of those players have found any suitable buyer at the moment and there is no guarantee they will find any considering their wages. What happens next?

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Easily we can afford it,
The money we get from Garnacho,Rashford,Hoijlund,Sancho and Antony would easily cover that 180 we spend on Gyokeres,Cunha and Mbeumo.
Means we can use this year 100M on CM and a WB, on top of that we are aiming smart deals like spreading fees across 4 years means we can bring in more players this year.

Nope, because Sancho is a 0. Rashford and Antony maybe 30-40m combined, but might as well be a 0 and further loans. Höjlund might be 20m but more likely a loan.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Everyone seems to be counting their chickens before they are hatched. None of those players have found any suitable buyer at the moment and there is no guarantee they will find any considering their wages. What happens next?

I don't think we are getting 180M for those players. But it is too simplistic to look at it in such a way.

If we sell Rashford and Garnacho, our PSR wiggle room will be great.

Then another topic is cash flow, do we have enough cash to pay the various installments.

If we get most money from sales up front and are able to buy others in installments, a lot more might be possible.

 

[NLunited]

Why is the club briefing this stuff out? Basically all they are doing is casting doubts about Amorims tenure, sending a message that will only serve to undermine him. The job itself is tough enough without senior management speaking to the press and making the job impossible. Cannot understand the people running this club. I'm no fan of what Amorim has done so far at Utd, but this is a terrible way to treat him.

Ratcliffe and Co are cnuts, but Amorim has totally fecked them. He’s their pick and finished 15th. What do you expect, cupcakes and rainbows?

 

[TsuWave]

Why is the club briefing this stuff out? Basically all they are doing is casting doubts about Amorims tenure

You think that article/report was needed for that? Everyone knows United needs drastic improvement, Amorim is on record saying as much