First time since maybe LVG where I can actually see what we are trying to do. Insane he hasn't needed two years and 600m before we could start seeing the beginning signs of an actual approach
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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It worked like that for twenty years under Fergie and it was definitely not fairly shit.
I don't recall it being like that under Sir Alex all the time. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been the call by some in the Caf to - Sack Fergie and Sell Giggs.
Mount returned from an injury and had struggled previously, you could say he started this season from a worse position than Rashford. But Amorim really trusts Mount because he showed that he wants it. Whereas when it comes into Rashford, Amorim says "He has to be the first one who wants it". I really like this approach of holding players accountable and that their intent should be fully theirs not the coach's.
You need players like that in every team
Better than amateur of all trades, like a lot of our deadwood, to be honest.
Sack Fergie sell giggs is used till today to highlight reactionary idiots who don't know ball. It started during the mini drought in the early noughties but by 04/05 it was clear Fergie had built his next great side.
Thats why klopp and pep employ tactical fouls. Its almost like diving now. You gotta use it to devastating effect.
I know we've been fawning over what he says and what not, but this is a quote from him that really makes me feel like he gets it. At Manchester United we should be beating these teams, and we should be going into these matches with only a win being an acceptable result. No excuses about the schedule and whatever like we have heard before. If you want to win at the very top you find ways to make it work.
What's the issue with Mainoo? He still hasn't featured at all.
Really hoping to see him develop to a world class player under Amorim
Really hoping to see him develop to a world class player under Amorim
Not quite ready to play and isn't being rushed back. It's a positive in my eyes.
Same with Yoro, seems like he wants the less experienced players to have a good base level of fitness before playing, they are both key positions and if wouldn’t be great for their confidence if they aren't in peak condition. Especially as it will be a bit chaotic whilst figuring out the system, as we've seen. The other benefits of not playing at the moment is that the can train more and get more accustomed to the system.
Don't want him to be rushed, yes.
But he's been on bench for both games, so wonderful if the reasons are beyond just fitness
He lied!
Looks to me like you just want something to worry about?
AmorOUT?
damn you... i worry you are getting to know me.
Pretty happy with what we have seen so far and given the small time frame it’s very promising.
Ipswich was always going to be tough and yes the Utd of old should be getting the 3 points but that is not where we are at now. Ipswich are well drilled and hungry.
The Bodo game showed some improvement and it’s quite exciting what might develop as Malacia found himself in a lot of good positions which another player may have got a lot more from. Not bashing Malacia, he has gone through hell and it’s great to see him back he’s a fighter but it’s going to take a while to get him fully up to speed.
We got opened up a bit for a period in the middle of the first half but Ruben addressed it and the second half was pretty dominant and we really should have killed the game off. You could start to see the benefits of the game plan and how we will begin controlling matches.
Some tough calls to make team selection wise but to be fair to Ruben he seems to be giving everyone a chance at the moment , I do think he will now have a good idea who his preferred players are but with games so thick and fast he will continue to rotate and it already seems clear he won’t rush people back from injury to soon ala Yoro and Mainoo. It’s also very refreshing to see proactive subs that make sense.
Everton are going to be a stern test as they will be organised and disciplined. Do have a good feeling we will win this one though.
So far it’s all promising, he speaks well and seems to know exactly what he wants and you can already see the team look more structured and coordinated so in 4-5 weeks time things should should start to look really interesting….
Looking forward to it.
Ipswich was always going to be tough and yes the Utd of old should be getting the 3 points but that is not where we are at now. Ipswich are well drilled and hungry.
The Bodo game showed some improvement and it’s quite exciting what might develop as Malacia found himself in a lot of good positions which another player may have got a lot more from. Not bashing Malacia, he has gone through hell and it’s great to see him back he’s a fighter but it’s going to take a while to get him fully up to speed.
We got opened up a bit for a period in the middle of the first half but Ruben addressed it and the second half was pretty dominant and we really should have killed the game off. You could start to see the benefits of the game plan and how we will begin controlling matches.
Some tough calls to make team selection wise but to be fair to Ruben he seems to be giving everyone a chance at the moment , I do think he will now have a good idea who his preferred players are but with games so thick and fast he will continue to rotate and it already seems clear he won’t rush people back from injury to soon ala Yoro and Mainoo. It’s also very refreshing to see proactive subs that make sense.
Everton are going to be a stern test as they will be organised and disciplined. Do have a good feeling we will win this one though.
So far it’s all promising, he speaks well and seems to know exactly what he wants and you can already see the team look more structured and coordinated so in 4-5 weeks time things should should start to look really interesting….
Looking forward to it.
I'm not sure where this post best lies as I can't comment in the match day thread but:
1. West Ham
2. Leicester
3. Everton
Most likely originally 3pm games (would have been live on Premier Sports via Now TV in Republic of Ireland) moved to 2pm/1.30pm on a Sunday because of Thursday Europa League scheduling and become non-televised.
I am getting absolutely sick of this lack of adequate TV coverage of Man Utd matches when everyone outside of UK/Republic of Ireland can watch every single game uninterrupted and not via the internet with choppy ad-ridden streams. It's absolutely ridiculous and then there's constant news reports of people getting imprisoned for dodgy box retailing.
And now season ticket prices being increased for Old Trafford yet the whole 3pm blackout UK argument is such tripe.
It was better during COVID when every game was available and they quickly dropped that nonsense €16 PPV crap for some games.
We need to protest this. I much rather watch Man Utd v Everton televised than vs Bodo/Glimt.
1. West Ham
2. Leicester
3. Everton
Most likely originally 3pm games (would have been live on Premier Sports via Now TV in Republic of Ireland) moved to 2pm/1.30pm on a Sunday because of Thursday Europa League scheduling and become non-televised.
I am getting absolutely sick of this lack of adequate TV coverage of Man Utd matches when everyone outside of UK/Republic of Ireland can watch every single game uninterrupted and not via the internet with choppy ad-ridden streams. It's absolutely ridiculous and then there's constant news reports of people getting imprisoned for dodgy box retailing.
And now season ticket prices being increased for Old Trafford yet the whole 3pm blackout UK argument is such tripe.
It was better during COVID when every game was available and they quickly dropped that nonsense €16 PPV crap for some games.
We need to protest this. I much rather watch Man Utd v Everton televised than vs Bodo/Glimt.
The under 18s this is less of a priority, as he says it is about attributes, and I would suspect that in that aspect it is about the physicality needed for the Premier League.
U21s is about being ready at any point to come into the first team squad. They are essentially the reserves and also used to rehabilitate first teamers through injury. In theory by that point after a successful u18s program you would be expecting players be ready to go into the u21s and potentially step up if needed. Also just like any squad you will have players that are not nessecarily at the stage ready to step up but useful in other ways, good communicator, good for moral, covers multiple roles etc etc.
Ashworth loves the 3 at the back. Often it is seen in discussion as a model for modern football, Ruben's training methods are simple to the point and so far seem to be working in the right direction game by game, the club identified the Coacg based on his style of play as well as talent. I can imagine that Wilcox wants the U21s getting used to the system and probably him and Fletcher pass on observations from training methods etc.
I do like the big switches of play that seem to have returned under him so far. Takes me back to United at our best. Old Trafford is a big pitch, use it. I like Bruno in a regular midfield slot for that reason.
Under ETH the only pass over distance allowed was the ball over the top.
Under ETH the only pass over distance allowed was the ball over the top.
Makes sense for Bruno to continue to move deeper into midfield as he ages. Scholes would be a great example of how to lengthen his career dramatically by playing deeper.
I don’t think we’ll see it in any other youth team levels, the u21s are the closest step to the first team so makes sense they’d be the one mirroring it.
Bodø/Glimt are probably at least as good as Ipswich, and certainly better in some aspects of the game. I’m not sure Ipswich have it in them to thump AS Roma 6-1 (although that’s a few years ago) for instance.
Yeah and I think like Scholes it's a pretty natural move. It's not like the Rooney midfield experiment.
Pirlo was magnificent moved back for the last few years, however not sure that it sits well in a pressing system
It was a lot longer than just the last few years. It was the entirety of his career other than the first few years.
I see the narrative is starting to change in the media about how this isn’t going to work. It’s tiring when the media want United to fail constantly. I’m delighted that we appointed him and was edging towards him replacing Pep. I just hope he has the pods to drop Rashford and even Bruno in order to make his system work.
I was excited for ETH but a few months soon made me realise his approach wasn’t going to work - I think RA is a good fit both tactically but also as a man manager. He seems like a top guy, I just pray he get it right.
I was excited for ETH but a few months soon made me realise his approach wasn’t going to work - I think RA is a good fit both tactically but also as a man manager. He seems like a top guy, I just pray he get it right.
But didn't he have like prime Vidal, Asamoah and Marchisio running around for him? Physical beasts. At Juve that is. Milan he had Gattuso and Ambrosini.
Where is this?
Honestly, why do so many people care about the "media"? How much time do people spend watching shite tv or reading shite articles or tweets?
100% agree.
Sporting lose their first game of the season.
Shouldn’t have been conceding 2 goals against Bodo. Still look a little wide open. I’m hoping Mainoo and Yoro will improve us more. Young and fresh players.
There will be a lot of pain this season. We need to back the manager and trust his vision. I like we have a plan this time around. I just pray he is a strong personality who can bench or axe the likes of Rashford / Bruno when not performing
You sound like a SCP fan
There were tons of big switches of play under Ten Hag. Like the lead up to Mainoo’s goal in the FA cup final.
There is a lot more sideways passing and emphasis on keeping the ball under Amorim, that much is clear.
I don't expect to see a great deal of improvement over the next couple of weeks looking at our schedule, no time to train at all. It's why we have to be patient.
The big test will be Wednesday agaisnt arsenal at the emirates. He can’t play eriksen and case or even Bruno and ugarte in the midfield. He surely going to change it up. Not going to lie a dream scenario is 0-0 and 90 min winner from their academy boy we signed