Why does it always feel like we start coming good, and then an International break comes and ruins our momentum.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Why are people on social media acting like the "brand new Amorim song" hasn't been around for nearly 2 months?
Because the narrative 2 months ago was that he was days from being sacked.
I don't mind it so much this time as we should have more players back after it.
The fans were idiots. Carrick’s passing between the lines, with either foot, was exceptional.
Because we never come good
True, however we've scored 7 goals across our past two games so that's got to be a positive.
I thought the same. I swear I heard Andy mitten sing it on talk of the devils. That must’ve been around 2 months ago. He had some story about bonnie Tyler, as that’s whose song it’s based on.
Yeah he did. It started off in Bucharest and was being sang at OT that weekend. So maybe 6 weeks rather than 2 month but either way, it's hardly brand new.
After a few decent performances and results I feel much happier, going into the international break brings a certain calm to me as well. Have spent hours on these forums and listening to podcasts to try and they though the bad times but I feel like Amorim has given us the space to breathe now finally.
Look forward to seeing some more signs of others e when we return and keep building got next year.
Look forward to seeing some more signs of others e when we return and keep building got next year.
Lots of players said he was under-rated; presumably by the fans and the press.
Who is this Mount that you speak of ?
Because after every 1 defeat you have ex players acting like when he took over we were first in the league and within months he had us below 13th and forced a team that was playing like brazil of the 70s to play like Wimbledon of the 90s.
Reality is we were 13th when he took over and one of the most clueless teams in the league.
Id take Pogba back in a heartbeat. His skill and aura alone will motivate the stragglers in our team
Too many useless International games. Then we have 3-4 games packed in 7-10 days giving our limited squad no time to recover.
I rate Pogba but think it’s best for him and United to move on. He’s already given his peak year to us.
Surely this is a troll post?
Fair.Not sure you got the right tense there
I think we won't lose more than 1 of the next 4 games and that'll be forest. I'm pretty confident we can beat city at home too.
Go on name them then and show me their stats.... dont just say there are players with that.... Also, dont forget Bruno delivers goals and assists... so bare that in mind too.
I didn't say they dont exist... amazing players exist but are rare.
Positive yes, but we've gone through so many false dawns it's difficult to think it's going to be any different in the long run.
You need him to name you deep lying playmakers?
Bruno is not a 6, and we need someone to actually dictate the tempo. Shouldn't be hard to understand. We also need someone to carry the ball, and Bruno is neither of these.
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Would someone like Bernabé from Parma be a realistic/suitable option?
Yes, I want him to name them and provide stats showing their progressive plays and chance creation.
Whilst Bruno is not a 6... never said he was, he is being used as a 8 and the complaints are he cant do all these things... when really in the last month, he has shown he can.
Neves
Pass completion - 90.6 (96th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 7.1 (87th percentile)
Calhanoglu
Pass completion - 87.8 (76th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 7.27 (90th percentile)
Caicedo
Pass completion - 89.1 (88th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 5.66 (72nd percentile)
Kimmich
Pass completion - 88.3 (80th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 10.09 (99th percentile)
Tchouameni
Pass completion - 92.4 (98th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 5.25 (62nd percentile)
Gravenberch
Pass completion - 89 (87th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 5.25 (62nd percentile)
Ruiz
Pass completion - 89.4 (89th percentile)
Progressive passes per 7.27 (89th percentile)
Valverde
Pass completion - 89.1 (88th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 5.69 (72nd percentile)
Vitinha
Pass completion - 93 (99th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 8.34 - (94th percentile)
De Jong
Pass completion - 92.5 (98th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 6.39 (80th percentile)
Rodri
Pass completion - 92.3 (98th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 12.74 (99th percentile)
I could keep going, but you get my point. There are lots of midfielders in the upper percentiles of both pass completion and progressive passes per 90. They are not mutually exclusive traits - it’s just harder to find available players who have that level of passing ability. Shouldn’t stop us looking for it though.
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So you are kind of proving my point... So are you saying PSG play 3 DLP's? In Neves, Vitinha, Ruiz?
So basically you saying Bruno Fernandes is not good enough but come to me with stats of players who have same data as Bruno?
Bruno this season has:-
Pass completion - 75 (55th percentile)
Progressive passes per 90 - 8.75 (98th percentile)
So he can progress play unlike what you are claiming he can't do? PLus he scores goals and assists.
I never said anything about Bruno. I think you’re getting me mixed up with another poster.
Have you forgotten what your original claim was that I took issue with? Let me remind you.
You said you cannot expect a player to progress play and have high ball retention. That’s just not true. So I replied with:
You then asked for current examples and I’ve given you a list of current midfielders who have high ball retention stats and high progressive passing stats. But apparently that proves your point? Ok bud. Looks like the opposite to me.
The PSG example illustrates my point - that we should be looking to recruit midfielders who can both look after the ball and progress play, because they do exist, and if you can find them they make your team better. They are just harder to find.
I'd add chance creation into these numbers to get a more accurate picture. The eye test tells me that most of Bruno's failed passes are not the ones that are progressing balls into the final third but instead passes directly trying to create chances.
In his first couple years (certainly his first) this was maybe the case, but I think even he has come out and said that he was deferring to Scholes when he first came in so his first thought would alwasy be to try and find him, Carrick grew into being the main man though and became a player whose first thought was always forward, it is something managers and players have always praised him for.
I mean you sent me stats of players with 60% percentile of progressive passes along with 90% pass accuracy... shows you that its not that easy to find players with 90% on both.
Stop trying to change the goal posts. You never said they had to have 90% on both. Although, I still gave you examples of current players who are around that.
You said “you cannot expect a player to progress play and have 90% ball retention”.
That is just not true.
Even if a player is in the 60th percentile of progressive passes, that still means they are progressing play better than more than half of their peers, despite having extremely high ball retention. That still contradicts your original claim.
Okay... I will stop because you just trying to be a wind up now without any real substance.
Not trying to wind you up at all. You made a claim which I disagreed with, and when you asked me to provide stats, I provided detailed stats to back up point. That is real substance.
And now all of a sudden you don’t want to talk about it anymore.
So basically if I use your logic... every player who has 90% pass accuracy can progress play because they will all have >1 % percentile of progressive play.
So according to you... every player can progress play. Fair enough, say that then.
Do not honestly not understand percentiles?
Those stats show those players rank more highly than their peers in both pass competition and progressive play. That contradicts your original claim that you can either have one or the other.
You said anything above 50% progressive passes is amazing,.... so would you say 50% passing accuracy is amazing because they are better than half the peers?
I am using your own logic against you and you dont like it.
Oh, you actually don’t understand percentiles. My bad.
You are confusing the percentage on the passing completion stat, with the percentile stat of how they compare to their peers. Those are two completely different things.
2012-13 everybody says RvP was out best player. I think one could just as easily say Carrick, he was absolutely immense that season.
He would probably have been more important and more appreciated if he didn’t come into a midfield where Scholes is the one everybody looks to. He took a back seat for quite a while.