Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Ok so you have ignored the question and also changed your parameters, even with them I think it's demonstrably a knee jerk reaction based off this season alone. Is your point simply you would take some of their players over ours?
He said the same about Dan Ashworth when he started work at the club on how the payment to Newcastle was worth every penny !
Fine:
Between Dec 10th 2023 and April 16 th 2024 of the 2023/2024 EPL season. 17 league games into Espirto Santo's reign. Forrest had 16 points from and XPTS of 23. Placing them 8th on the XPTs table. 15th on the actual one
Between 25th November and today. 20 league games into Amorim's reign. Manchester United have 22 points from anXPTs of 24.7. Putting them 14th on the XPTs table. They are 14th on the actual log.
Make of it what you will
I would replace transcend for includes.
I think he'll get until November/December at a minimum.
But if we're in a similar position, then he's in trouble.
Emery is still youngish so could be tempted away from Villa.
There's a clear bias.
He's also good at managing the press and has a relaxed demeanor which projects confidence.
Our results and performances have been dreadful.
Everything's a struggle.
I can't remember one passage of play that looked promising.
If he was an unsexy British manager, we'd all be calling for his head.
Still banging on about this eh?
What do ye reckon? We are aiming for top 6 next season with a few good signings and luck with injuries to key players? Top 4 if it clicks? Decent chance it won't click to the extent we need whoever we sign? Will top 6 keep him his job?
We just don't have the players who can play football in this formation in the slightest. Amorims system relies on players who can dribble and beat a man deep in their own half to then get out and play football further up. The only press resistant player we have in deep areas is Mainoo. If you can't drag players in and cause issues then all you have is players passing it to tightly marked team mates who are being pressed high up the pitch.
There were times when Jacob Murphy was skinning 2 players just inside his own half and driving into our midfield which makes everyone run towards their own goal. We just have no one capable of it and it's such an issue.
There were times when Jacob Murphy was skinning 2 players just inside his own half and driving into our midfield which makes everyone run towards their own goal. We just have no one capable of it and it's such an issue.
The goal should be to play better football next year by coaching the team to punch above its collective weight and scoring a lot more goals. If we do that then we will be in good shape.
I we had someone who could play like Kone in adult form that would be ideal. He has the first touch to evade the press and get you on the front foot. He goes box to box and can playmake. I'm not saying he's the answer he's years off but we need a mobile playmaker who can get stuck in and win the ball too. We are getting steamrolled by too many so called average teams.
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Top 6 with a solid way of playing or he should be thrown out on his ass. The pursestrings should be kept tight on any "system" players.
Yes, progress, I watch actual games, not just results. And that Newcastle result we literally gifted them 3 goals through back errors, it's not like they destroyed us with godly plays or anything.
Yes, progress. In actual play, I couldn't care less about results this season.
There have definitely been moderate signs of progress, in fact I believe we had only lost one league game in almost two months pre-Newcastle, which is quite remarkable given our lack of production from our #9, and despite injuries to Martinez, Mainoo, Amad, Mount, Shaw, Yoro, and Heaven.
Ratcliffe has also got too much unwarranted credit in the bank, just like Amorim.Maybe he knows nothing and shouldn't be trusted any more than a random CAF poster!
I see FC Nice are still sitting comfortably 7th in the league below Lyon after 8 years of ownership. Obviously knows what he is doing.
He's no Marinakis that's for sure.
I think both Ratcliffe and Amorim should be on trial here. Instead, both are treated like they've had many years of success in top league football, which they haven't.
This is a wind up, surely?
Why?
Because he has been extensively criticised both in the media and even on this very forum by very large sections of the fan base?
He's getting below par performances from a mediocre group of players. He does at least appear to be aware that he's getting things wrong, but he doesn't seem to know how to adjust to the players he has. I do think we should allow him the summer and pre-season to get things more to his vision, but I am unconvinced that he will be able to based on how much player turnover looks to be needed to suit what he wants.
People are overreacting to a loss in a throw away game vs a good team with a manager in the hospital and needing wins for top four. We played a so so first half despite that and a heavy rotation of players. Second half we gave them several goals due to slips and bad defense + a keeper error. Not ideal but we move on til Thursday.
Agreed
By the media maybe, but not this forum, a lot of posters trust INEOS. Raoul mentioned Ratcliffe being all in on Amorim, I think INEOS have been awful so far, and Ratcliffe being all in on Amorim could easily be one more of many mistakes he has made so far.
I would agree. I feel both our results and performances have been a lot better in the last couple of months, and this is without having a functioning striker and missing Amad.
Agreed.
Can we have voting now?
Check out the strikers poll in the transfer forum.
How the hell is three points off 17th place with the season almost over anything close to acceptable? He would need to work wonders in the Europa League.
Who is happy and accepting we are 17th? Are those people in the room with you right now?
No one is saying it’s acceptable.
All the teams above us will get better to, we need not to just get better we need to get a lot better there is a lot of ground to make up and these teams are not going to stand by and watch us make up the ground, we need a lot better profile of player than the likes of Dorgu to make up the ground on the rest and if I was a player United wouldn't be in my top 6 clubs to sign for in the PL
You never place limits of where you aim. In recent years we’ve seen Leicester finish 17th and win the league the following year, Chelsea finish 10th and then win the league the following year and now Forest finish 17th and currently in 3rd.
Clubs can and do reverse their fortunes very quickly sometimes. A good start to next season might be all it takes to build some confidence and then you are away and running.
Regardless of league position it would be hard for us to replicate the ineptness of the finishing and individual errors next season. Our set piece defending has improved from calamitous to acceptable. Literally a less shambolic goalkeeper and one goalscoring forward would make a big difference.
Meanwhile, we seemed to deliberately hamstring ourselves with the January loans of Rashford and Antony. That lack of squad depth in the forward areas has been clear and will surely be addressed come the summer.
I think given how poor our finishing position will be there will naturally be low expectations next season. If we aren’t at least in the mix for the top 6 then pressure will grow. A Europa League win naturally buys some time though.
Spot on. There aren’t any limits of how high we can finish if we make the right moves this summer.
Two league wins in two months is the only stat you need to know he's been atrocious. We are also the second worst team in the league for losing the ball in our half.
The league has been evolving and the level of competence is way higher now. Previous mid table and lower table teams are now competing for top 6 or at least doing better than united and spurs who are now stuck at the bottom end.
It’s easy to sit at home and ask a manager to change things up and take more risks or be more adventurous to chase wins but we don’t have the personnel to be more entertaining.
Since we can’t change the squad, the next thing we could do is change formations and play more men up front but we really don’t have the players in midfield who we can trust to lock it down in the middle of the park. Some may say and have said that Ruben is limited in his knowledge of the game and tactics but I think he has rightly been stiff with his decision to not change formations and keep things compact.
Our current situation may be the worst by us fans’ standards but if it weren’t for damage control, things could actually be much worse.
Sometimes you have to be pragmatic due to your limitations instead of being all rockstar like EtH for instance.
I’m really curious, if you were the manager in the current situation, what would you do to make things to be less atrocious?
A manager can't come in and turn a bag of shite into a decent team overnight. That's why Amorim is getting a bye and more time.
But I give you David Moyes at Everton.
and I just read this
Since Pereira’s appointment on 19 December, Wolves sit eighth in a Premier League table behind the current top six and Crystal Palace. And Sunday’s 4-2 victory over Tottenham moved them 14 points clear of the relegation zone with just six games left to play. Bear in mind that he took over a team that was 19th in the Premier League with nine points from 16 games and five points behind Leicester City.
It seems that a manager who does a bit of reorganzation, plays to this players strengths , gives them a bit of confidence can turn a team around. Unless you are called Amorim and then you don't try this approach, but continue with your approach that everyone and his dog says won't work with the players he has.
If SJR has told him this approach is fine, which the above video says he has, then good for Rubin, carry on if that's your mandate.
But I give you David Moyes at Everton.
and I just read this
Since Pereira’s appointment on 19 December, Wolves sit eighth in a Premier League table behind the current top six and Crystal Palace. And Sunday’s 4-2 victory over Tottenham moved them 14 points clear of the relegation zone with just six games left to play. Bear in mind that he took over a team that was 19th in the Premier League with nine points from 16 games and five points behind Leicester City.
It seems that a manager who does a bit of reorganzation, plays to this players strengths , gives them a bit of confidence can turn a team around. Unless you are called Amorim and then you don't try this approach, but continue with your approach that everyone and his dog says won't work with the players he has.
If SJR has told him this approach is fine, which the above video says he has, then good for Rubin, carry on if that's your mandate.
He's struggling because he's inexperienced in management. Neither he nor his coaching staff have been in enough different situations to know how to handle this.
That is very inaccurate.
A squad as poor as ours will not help any manager or coach prove their acumen to be good enough or not, on a consistent basis.
And how do you describe ‘different situations’?
I think he has managed to get decent results against top managers in certain situations.
Stupid sexy Ruben and his stupid tactics.