Ruben Amorim | Sacked

[Devarshi]

There’s been loads of people criticizing that. Almost everyone seems to recognise that this whole debacle reflects very poorly on INEOS. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right decision to move an underperforming manager out. You don’t fix mistakes by doubling down on them.



I’m not sure how you can complain about the sacking of a coach when you yourself concede that things were dire before the AFCON and injury absences. And I’m not sure how you can say we were faltering in December primarily because of those absences whilst simultaneously claiming things were even worse under Amorim before the absences.

Even in your interpretation, the common denominator there is Amorim, not the absences.

No. The common denominator is the upper management being shit.

For starters, the appointment itself was a mistake and Dan Ashworth was removed for speaking against it after having brought in just months back for a large amount of money. Strike #1.

Amorim was doing the best he could with what he had. If the management was any good, they'd have realised he wasn't good enough right after the Europa final. Instead, they kept him on. After Grimsby, even. Backed him, said three years were needed to judge. Strike #2.

Now with a paper thin squad where any manager would struggle, the management pushes the coach to try a system he is not comfortable with, leading to a complete breakdown of relations. Oh, and no money for a CM we desperately need this window. Strike #3.

 

[steffyr2]

You think Wilcox, a former professional footballer, commentator and academy director only paid attention to the formation things because he heard Gary Neville going on about it?

It wasn’t because he was at his job watching us play turgid football and dropping points every week?

Interesting take.

Kind of similar to how Gary Neville isn’t very good at it.

 

[Zumbi]

No. The common denominator is the upper management being shit.

For starters, the appointment itself was a mistake and Dan Ashworth was removed for speaking against it after having brought in just months back for a large amount of money. Strike #1.

Amorim was doing the best he could with what he had. If the management was any good, they'd have realised he wasn't good enough right after the Europa final. Instead, they kept him on. After Grimsby, even. Backed him, said three years were needed to judge. Strike #2.

Now with a paper thin squad where any manager would struggle, the management pushes the coach to try a system he is not comfortable with, leading to a complete breakdown of relations. Oh, and no money for a CM we desperately need this window. Strike #3.

I’m not arguing that the upper management is anything but shit. Them being shit and Amorim being shit are not mutually exclusive. And if you concede that hiring Amorim was a mistake then I’m not sure how you can make a reasonable case for doubling down on that mistake by keeping him when results and performances were both so poor.

But you contradicted yourself. You blamed our poor December form primarily on the AFCON and injury absences whilst admitting things were even more dire when we had more players available in the preceding months.

Maybe Amorim was doing the best he could do, but his best was nowhere near good enough and that was the fecking problem. Because he was not getting the sort of results and performances it’s reasonable to expect from that squad and when that’s he case, it’s inevitable when things come to a head. You can’t let the club sleepwalk into mid table again when everyone knows the manager isn’t cutting it.

And Amorim is as much to blame as anyone for the timing - he’s the one that decided to train the team in a back 4, only to start a back 5 in a home game against Wolves where we dropped points, and then blow up at his bosses about it both privately and publicly. He apparently told them he wanted out, and he sure as hell acted like he wanted out.

INEOS fecked up by hiring Amorim, and the only way to fix that is to get rid of him. Because whatever other noise there is, he just wasn’t good enough at his job.

 

[Zedd]

Why? Apparently it was Berrada who pushed for Amorim and Wilcox had reservations.

It's so funny that this is the narrative right now. When Ashworth was sacked it was widely reported that the reason was because he didn't want Amorim while Wilcox and Berrada did. Ineos tried to spin the narrative that Ashworth wanted Southgate to make people more amenable to the firing, and alleviate the very valid concerns about Amorim and the cost involved in getting his style to work. Concerns which have since become proven correct. Now they are trying to distance themselves from the hiring with Wilcox very clearly briefing the media that he actually never wanted Amorim and had the same concerns that Ashworth was reportedly sacked for.

 

[Zumbi]

It's so funny that this is the narrative right now. When Ashworth was sacked it was widely reported that the reason was because he didn't want Amorim while Wilcox and Berrada did. Ineos tried to spin the narrative that Ashworth wanted Southgate to make people more amenable to the firing, and alleviate the very valid concerns about Amorim and the cost involved in getting his style to work. Concerns which have since become proven correct. Now they are trying to distance themselves from the hiring with Wilcox very clearly briefing the media that he actually never wanted Amorim and had the same concerns that Ashworth was reportedly sacked for.

Sure, take everything coming out now with a big pinch of salt. But the entire time it’s been reported that Berrada was the main force pushing for Amorim anyway, and he’s still very much there and still very much an INEOS appointment. So i find it curious when the ire is directed at just Wilcox, and not Berrada.

 

[stevoc]

It's so funny that this is the narrative right now. When Ashworth was sacked it was widely reported that the reason was because he didn't want Amorim while Wilcox and Berrada did. Ineos tried to spin the narrative that Ashworth wanted Southgate to make people more amenable to the firing, and alleviate the very valid concerns about Amorim and the cost involved in getting his style to work. Concerns which have since become proven correct. Now they are trying to distance themselves from the hiring with Wilcox very clearly briefing the media that he actually never wanted Amorim and had the same concerns that Ashworth was reportedly sacked for.

To be fair I remember reading, even back in 2024 that it was mostly Berrada that pushed for Amorim. At that time I'm not sure if Wilcox would have been in a position to have even had a say.

 

[JPRouve]

To be fair I remember reading, even back in 2024 that it was mostly Berrada that pushed for Amorim. At that time I'm not sure if Wilcox would have been in a position to have even had a say.

I can't remember when I also heard it, iirc Whitwell on a podcast mentioned that the reason Amorim wasn't initially interviewed was because brailsford and Wilcox didn't think that he was a fit, Ashworth was supposed to be out of the loop due to his gardening leave. But this week I saw an article where Wilcox was included as one of his supporters.

 

[pocco]

Get Ashworth back you mean. I‘m delighted Amorim‘s gone, the worst coach we’ve ever had. We looked a whole lot better against Burnley already. Without those missing players.

We didn’t look a whole lot better at all. Burnley was joint worst performance against us this season, bar the Wolves home game. Difference is we stuffed a better Wolves team and couldn’t beat Burnley in this magical 4atb.

And the worst coach we’ve ever had is your man who has absolutely wrecked this club and set us back years, leaving us broke in the process. Shittest fecking coach ever known, absolute fraud

 

[stevoc]

I can't remember when I also heard it, iirc Whitwell on a podcast mentioned that the reason Amorim wasn't initially interviewed was because brailsford and Wilcox didn't think that he was a fit, Ashworth was supposed to be out of the loop due to his gardening leave. But this week I saw an article where Wilcox was included as one of his supporters.

I have read recently that in recent times (presumably since he was appointed) Wilcox was one of Amorim's biggest supporters within the club.

I have no idea if Wilcox was for or against his hiring though. I have read that Ashworth was sacked beause he wasn't on board with the Amorim project and didn't think it would work out. Which in hindsight was pretty prescient.

 

[steffyr2]

I’m not arguing that the upper management is anything but shit. Them being shit and Amorim being shit are not mutually exclusive. And if you concede that hiring Amorim was a mistake then I’m not sure how you can make a reasonable case for doubling down on that mistake by keeping him when results and performances were both so poor.

But you contradicted yourself. You blamed our poor December form primarily on the AFCON and injury absences whilst admitting things were even more dire when we had more players available in the preceding months.

Maybe Amorim was doing the best he could do, but his best was nowhere near good enough and that was the fecking problem. Because he was not getting the sort of results and performances it’s reasonable to expect from that squad and when that’s he case, it’s inevitable when things come to a head. You can’t let the club sleepwalk into mid table again when everyone knows the manager isn’t cutting it.

And Amorim is as much to blame as anyone for the timing - he’s the one that decided to train the team in a back 4, only to start a back 5 in a home game against Wolves where we dropped points, and then blow up at his bosses about it both privately and publicly. He apparently told them he wanted out, and he sure as hell acted like he wanted out.

INEOS fecked up by hiring Amorim, and the only way to fix that is to get rid of him. Because whatever other noise there is, he just wasn’t good enough at his job.

It seems like people who play soccer for living ought to be able to switch between formations without extensive training. Are you saying these players can’t?

Don’t seem great that the mgmt can’t settle on a plan between them.

 

[Devarshi]

I’m not arguing that the upper management is anything but shit. Them being shit and Amorim being shit are not mutually exclusive. And if you concede that hiring Amorim was a mistake then I’m not sure how you can make a reasonable case for doubling down on that mistake by keeping him when results and performances were both so poor.

But you contradicted yourself. You blamed our poor December form primarily on the AFCON and injury absences whilst admitting things were even more dire when we had more players available in the preceding months.

Maybe Amorim was doing the best he could do, but his best was nowhere near good enough and that was the fecking problem. Because he was not getting the sort of results and performances it’s reasonable to expect from that squad and when that’s he case, it’s inevitable when things come to a head. You can’t let the club sleepwalk into mid table again when everyone knows the manager isn’t cutting it.

And Amorim is as much to blame as anyone for the timing - he’s the one that decided to train the team in a back 4, only to start a back 5 in a home game against Wolves where we dropped points, and then blow up at his bosses about it both privately and publicly. He apparently told them he wanted out, and he sure as hell acted like he wanted out.

INEOS fecked up by hiring Amorim, and the only way to fix that is to get rid of him. Because whatever other noise there is, he just wasn’t good enough at his job.

You're right, the upper management being shit and Amorim being shit is not exclusive. My argument is that the management is not getting the amount of criticism it deserves. If Amorim was a 4/10, the management is a 2/10 and we're still stuck with these incompetents. Amorim wasn't good enough, but I'd argue we were still seeing some tangible improvements under him. It was a rocky road uphill, a very slow improvement, but it was there nonetheless. In my opinion INEOS should have stuck with Amorim 'til the end of the season and evaluated from there while keeping alternatives in hand - precisely because they'd stuck with him through some absolutely horrendous shit. The zig-zag in policy or indecision, IMO, is worse than having some kind of conviction.

I don't think sacking Amorim and hiring an interim is going to automatically improve our chances of securing a CL spot this season. People are being too optimistic about that, we do not have the quality in our squad, especially midfield and in terms of depth. We'll find out over the next few months if Ruben was overperforming or underperforming with it, let's see.

 

[Zumbi]

It seems like people who play soccer for living ought to be able to switch between formations without extensive training. Are you saying these players can’t?

Don’t seem great that the mgmt can’t settle on a plan between them.

Where on earth did you get that from?

The point here is that we weren’t getting good results or performances from the back five and Ruben supposedly indicated some flexibility to that by switching his approach in training, only to go back to his system which resulted in a dire 1-1 draw at home to the worst team in the league. If we’d have won that game then fine, but we didn’t - it was more dropped points in a game that was very winnable. That obviously further increased the pressure he was already under from INEOS.

 

[DSG]

Yeah, you surely have a point. The human aspect is probably more important than other aspects. Although Amorim came with the reputation to be really good with people, a good communicator and all. But yes, United is a different environment than most.

Not sure whether I subscribe to all of that. I mean, there were also LVG and Mou and I felt they pressure didn't do them much favors either. Did Ole handle it the best. Maybe, not sure and there is a chance, that my bias' are in full flow but I'd say he wasn't under too much scrutiny for most of the time. He was in here, but in the media? Not sure - independent of my feeling that most ClassOf92 guys have become quite insufferable. Ole had his legend stuff that shielded him early on, the homecoming narrative, the Paris-story and the end of the reign of misery going for him that. He also, on his own merits, had the results going for him for the most part.

I think, you definitely have a point when it comes to experience in a high pressure environment and it being a very positive thing to have for a candidate. But that doesn't make the chase any easier, doesn't it The more I think about it, the more unlikely it seems to me that we'll "get it right" with one candidate anyway. I think, at the end of the day, there will be some inbetween steps with manager who "do the right thing" but don't last long enough to reap the rewards. Bit like the LVG story at Bayern. A bit. Maybe thats part of why I am a bit bummed by the sacking - to me it looked like Amorim would be the one capable of making difficult decisions (could be my own wishful thinking of course) to really reset the team and for somebody else to ignite a new team without the remnants of the past.

Hope that makes sense

Yes, it does. We’re in the wilderness as a club right now. I really think a steady, experienced hand would be best. For me, Ancelotti would be the dream hire. Steady, calm, experienced, the ultimate pragmatist. He has a pretty compelling argument to be the best manager ever, along with Pep and SAF. 6 league titles with 5 different clubs, all 5 top leagues, 5 CLs, 5 domestic cups… If he adds a World Cup, he probably is the best manager of all time. A 3-4 year contract with us… I’d love to see that here.

 

[Zumbi]

You're right, the upper management being shit and Amorim being shit is not exclusive. My argument is that the management is not getting the amount of criticism it deserves. If Amorim was a 4/10, the management is a 2/10 and we're still stuck with these incompetents. Amorim wasn't good enough, but I'd argue we were still seeing some tangible improvements under him. It was a rocky road uphill, a very slow improvement, but it was there nonetheless. In my opinion INEOS should have stuck with Amorim 'til the end of the season and evaluated from there while keeping alternatives in hand - precisely because they'd stuck with him through some absolutely horrendous shit. The zig-zag in policy or indecision, IMO, is worse than having some kind of conviction.

I don't think sacking Amorim and hiring an interim is going to automatically improve our chances of securing a CL spot this season. People are being too optimistic about that, we do not have the quality in our squad, especially midfield and in terms of depth. We'll find out over the next few months if Ruben was overperforming or underperforming with it, let's see.

But again, Ruben himself seemed to blow things up both in private and in public around that Wolves game. He has as much to do with the timing as INEOS did. Mind you, he was lucky to even survive that long. He could have reasonably been fired after Spurs, after Grimsby, after Everton.

 

[Alex99]

You're right, the upper management being shit and Amorim being shit is not exclusive. My argument is that the management is not getting the amount of criticism it deserves. If Amorim was a 4/10, the management is a 2/10 and we're still stuck with these incompetents. Amorim wasn't good enough, but I'd argue we were still seeing some tangible improvements under him. It was a rocky road uphill, a very slow improvement, but it was there nonetheless. In my opinion INEOS should have stuck with Amorim 'til the end of the season and evaluated from there while keeping alternatives in hand - precisely because they'd stuck with him through some absolutely horrendous shit. The zig-zag in policy or indecision, IMO, is worse than having some kind of conviction.

I don't think sacking Amorim and hiring an interim is going to automatically improve our chances of securing a CL spot this season. People are being too optimistic about that, we do not have the quality in our squad, especially midfield and in terms of depth. We'll find out over the next few months if Ruben was overperforming or underperforming with it, let's see.

They probably would have stuck with him until the end of the season if he'd been even slightly amenable to trying something a bit different. It wasn't an option as soon as he went nuclear in the press conferences.

It wasn't a "zig-zag in policy" for his bosses to step in and tell him something had to change, but his reaction to that made his position completely untenable.

I also don't think we'll find out anything about Amorim from how well the interim does. They could be complete shite, but it doesn't change anything about Amorim's underperformance.

 

[JPRouve]

It seems like people who play soccer for living ought to be able to switch between formations without extensive training. Are you saying these players can’t?

Don’t seem great that the mgmt can’t settle on a plan between them.

But that's not actually how it works. Each formations and tactical approaches lean on particular attributes and roles for different reasons. Most players have defined attributes that fit certain roles and don't fit others, while a player may broadly understand a new role it's not a given that he is actually able to perform it at a high level. I mentioned it a few times but Klose once explained that he couldn't perform the role that LVG gave him during games, he understood it during video sessions but couldn't see the game the way LVG wanted him during actual games and that's just the mental aspect of it. Some roles rely on technical and physical attributes that some players will have and others won't. That's why head coaches don't use strict templates, players aren't robots and they aren't clones of each others, they are the product of years of institutional and personal developments in different environments and cultures.

 

[Eugenius]

It seems like people who play soccer for living ought to be able to switch between formations without extensive training. Are you saying these players can’t?

Don’t seem great that the mgmt can’t settle on a plan between them.

The top level game is so fast that you need to have a good amount of muscle memory and situational patterns to be effective.

 

[podurban2]

You're right, the upper management being shit and Amorim being shit is not exclusive. My argument is that the management is not getting the amount of criticism it deserves. If Amorim was a 4/10, the management is a 2/10 and we're still stuck with these incompetents. Amorim wasn't good enough, but I'd argue we were still seeing some tangible improvements under him. It was a rocky road uphill, a very slow improvement, but it was there nonetheless. In my opinion INEOS should have stuck with Amorim 'til the end of the season and evaluated from there while keeping alternatives in hand - precisely because they'd stuck with him through some absolutely horrendous shit. The zig-zag in policy or indecision, IMO, is worse than having some kind of conviction.

I don't think sacking Amorim and hiring an interim is going to automatically improve our chances of securing a CL spot this season. People are being too optimistic about that, we do not have the quality in our squad, especially midfield and in terms of depth. We'll find out over the next few months if Ruben was overperforming or underperforming with it, let's see.

There is no way Amorim was overperforming with this squad. He was horrendous, good riddance. Sacking should have been done earlier but better late than never because now we have some time for a chance at a CL spot.

 

[NLunited]

We didn’t look a whole lot better at all. Burnley was joint worst performance against us this season, bar the Wolves home game. Difference is we stuffed a better Wolves team and couldn’t beat Burnley in this magical 4atb.

And the worst coach we’ve ever had is your man who has absolutely wrecked this club and set us back years, leaving us broke in the process. Shittest fecking coach ever known, absolute fraud

This is like reading MAGA fiction. Amorim is laughing his way to the bank, while Ten Hag was genuinely devastated. I know who gave everything to succeed and it isn‘t Ruben.

 

[Zumbi]

This is like reading MAGA fiction. Amorim is laughing his way to the bank, while Ten Hag was genuinely devastated. I know who gave everything to succeed and it isn‘t Ruben.

Once again, back into the “this shit manager who was sacked was more shit than the other shit manager that was sacked” stage of the debate. Good grief.

 

[TsuWave]

Imagine if the reason he’s still in Manchester is for the city job. His close friend is their director now isn’t he.

He's in Portugal:


Translation: Ruben Amorim has returned to Portugal. The Portuguese coach landed this afternoon at the Humberto Delgado Airport, in Lisbon, five days after being sacked by Manchester United.

Journo: Good evening gaffer, was Manchester [United] a disappointment? When are you returning to work? Do you have any suitors? What about [in] Portugal? Are you returning to Portugal [to work] any time soon?

It seems like people who play soccer for living ought to be able to switch between formations without extensive training. Are you saying these players can’t?

Say - do you think Bruno Fernandes looks better and is more productive at CAM than at CM by happenstance?

 

[criticalanalysis]

But that's not actually how it works. Each formations and tactical approaches lean on particular attributes and roles for different reasons. Most players have defined attributes that fit certain roles and don't fit others, while a player may broadly understand a new role it's not a given that he is actually able to perform it at a high level. I mentioned it a few times but Klose once explained that he couldn't perform the role that LVG gave him during games, he understood it during video sessions but couldn't see the game the way LVG wanted him during actual games and that's just the mental aspect of it. Some roles rely on technical and physical attributes that some players will have and others won't. That's why head coaches don't use strict templates, players aren't robots and they aren't clones of each others, they are the product of years of institutional and personal developments in different environments and cultures.

Yes, it's quite alarming that people don't understand the nuances of this. It's not that de Ligt and Maguire can't play in a 3 CB system or that Dalot or Dorgu can't play as wing backs, they absolutely 'can' as talented professional footballers; the issue is that under Amorim's coaching and team, they can't play it to a good enough standard and be competitive to opposition players, who are better in their respective positions (usually in a back 4). Now by 'can', I am not saying they can perform to the required standard that we need but it's not as simple as saying 'why can't they play in a different formation, when they are occupying the same areas and it's 11 vs 11 anyways?'.

I've already read some are saying the players' heat maps were similar when we've played in a back 4 or when it was 3 CBs and therefore there's no discernible difference to what the formation 'should' be. However, at this level, it's all about small percentages and details, platforming players' best attributes and reducing weaknesses. When people say 'Amad shouldn't play as a wing back', it's not 'he should never play there in that position because it's bad period', it's 'he shouldn't play there because we don't control midfield, have a deep defensive line and therefore, although he may operate in the same areas, his first contact with the ball is usually in (disadvantaged) situations where he has to be more involved in build up and defensive work'. The same can be said of all other players in this team and the issue with whatever bastard iteration of 3-4-3 Amorim wanted to play.

Martinez doesn't suddenly become a 'bad' player in isolation in a back 3 just because he now has to cover a wider 10-20 yards area of the pitch in the channels. No he's becomes a bad fit there because now he has to deal with wide players in the PL that have plied their entire professional life being speedy, dynamic demons.

Bruno doing a serviceable job at CM because he has lots of involvements on the ball, passing stats etc doesn't make him a 'bad' player now that he starts 10-20 yards deeper. No he's becomes a bad fit because now he has to seek the ball first from his defenders before he can affect the game and has to deal with CM players in the PL that plied their entire professional life being box-to-box demons, putting out fires and maintaining rhythm i.e the antithesis of Bruno's instinct.

Fletcher playing a back 4 isn't automatically going to elevate the players to a higher standard but it puts them 'back' in places that doesn't expose their weaknesses even more as it was under Amorim.

 

[NZT-One]

Yes, it does. We’re in the wilderness as a club right now. I really think a steady, experienced hand would be best. For me, Ancelotti would be the dream hire. Steady, calm, experienced, the ultimate pragmatist. He has a pretty compelling argument to be the best manager ever, along with Pep and SAF. 6 league titles with 5 different clubs, all 5 top leagues, 5 CLs, 5 domestic cups… If he adds a World Cup, he probably is the best manager of all time. A 3-4 year contract with us… I’d love to see that here.

Would be interesting for sure and but if he fails, then hells gates will open in here in every player thread. Also - doesn't Ancelotti have a bit of a reputation to not really be a builder but more of a "push over the line" manager? Like a manager who would make a contender a champion and one who didn't get his reputation for rebuilding teams but to be able to manage big egos and create a great team from great individuals (I'd say he might feel a little underwhelmed here...). He also isn't know to push youth too much an values experience...

 

[pelterz]

There is no way Amorim was overperforming with this squad. He was horrendous, good riddance. Sacking should have been done earlier but better late than never because now we have some time for a chance at a CL spot.

I don’t think his remit was to get the team performing at its best.(mid table)!It’s was to change the clubs direction, fix the problems get rid of the bad eggs and implement exactly what he did at Sportiing which is why he was hired. Put together a team without superstars I think gok was the most expensive player at 20m and have them play a formation to keep them at or near the top with minimal spend and be competitive in Europe. Pretty much the holy grail for the corporate hierarchy. Their ambition is money related.
They didn’t consider just how shit they had made the squad(comparatively) and the factor that to do it in the prem required a much higher average basic player cost and therefore initially a much larger outlay with considerable ‘pain’ in the interim.. The fact that Wilcox turned into David Icke was I think a bolt from the blue that will rattle on behind the scenes for some time.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Bro when he showed up Monday to meet Ratcliffe after mouthing off in the post match presser the day before

 

[Rista]

And the worst coach we’ve ever had is your man who has absolutely wrecked this club and set us back years, leaving us broke in the process. Shittest fecking coach ever known, absolute fraud

And yet still did better than Amorim. Ouch.

 

[afrocentricity]

In hindsight that short contract is looking prescient

 

[geelong]

The crazy thing is that even Amorim himself failed by the standards he publicly set (you have to win games to get time - 15 in 47 PL games - a catastrophe) and he admitted privately he couldn't believe he was still in a job and yet fans on his behalf defend him to the hilt even now! Compounding is that the "stand by your manager" brigade conveniently forget that the man behind the quote didn't truly believe in this in practice as Moyes would attest to.

Aside from the populist INEOS bashing, it's more pertinent to ask what the impact of the ever-changing roles have been. It's like in a government where ministers bounce around between Cabinet posts and never have the time to gain expertise in their field. Wilcox has been promoted to replace Ashworth but now we're hearing that Vivell has taken on an increased role. I'd love one of the United journos to really dig into this and clarify it for the supporters.

 

[Zedd]

Sure, take everything coming out now with a big pinch of salt. But the entire time it’s been reported that Berrada was the main force pushing for Amorim anyway, and he’s still very much there and still very much an INEOS appointment. So i find it curious when the ire is directed at just Wilcox, and not Berrada.

I remember it being reported that it was Wilcox and Berrada because I distinctly remember it being 2v1 with Ashworth being the odd man out.

To be fair I remember reading, even back in 2024 that it was mostly Berrada that pushed for Amorim. At that time I'm not sure if Wilcox would have been in a position to have even had a say.

It's possible but just remember reading it was Ashworth vs the two of Berrada and Wilcox.

I can't remember when I also heard it, iirc Whitwell on a podcast mentioned that the reason Amorim wasn't initially interviewed was because brailsford and Wilcox didn't think that he was a fit, Ashworth was supposed to be out of the loop due to his gardening leave. But this week I saw an article where Wilcox was included as one of his supporters.

There is a lot of conflicting information to be fair. It does seem very coincidental the noise coming out now that Wilcox never liked Amorim all along.

 

[ErikElevenHag]

This is like reading MAGA fiction. Amorim is laughing his way to the bank, while Ten Hag was genuinely devastated. I know who gave everything to succeed and it isn‘t Ruben.

Even if this is true, it's like having the biggest dick at the small dick convention.

Both have been absolute disasters for united. One however oversaw a period of transfer activity which will go down in infamy for years to come.

At least the signings under Amorim all seem decent, will be useful for the next manager and look to have some form of strategy.

 

[NLunited]

Even if this is true, it's like having the biggest dick at the small dick convention.

Both have been absolute disasters for united. One however oversaw a period of transfer activity which will go down in infamy for years to come.

At least the signings under Amorim all seem decent, will be useful for the next manager and look to have some form of strategy.

Good time to remind you that the manager doesn‘t sign the players. Amorim didn‘t get most of his wishes, neither did Ten Hag.

The financial issues hampered especially Ten Hag, Amorim had a much better squad. Yet ETH has the high win ratio and trophies, while Amorim has the worst record ever. How can you even compare the two?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Even if this is true, it's like having the biggest dick at the small dick convention.

Both have been absolute disasters for united. One however oversaw a period of transfer activity which will go down in infamy for years to come.

At least the signings under Amorim all seem decent, will be useful for the next manager and look to have some form of strategy.

Doesn’t sound like Amorim got his keeper wish and Dorgu won’t be a top player here. Cunha.. jury is massively out, especially when we revert to 4 at the back.
Sesko finally looking a player the very second he doesn’t have Amorim as his manager, strange coincidence considering Højlund stopped looking a player the very second Amorim arrived.

De Ligt, Maz, Martinez, Yoro, Mount all very good players for the next manager. Personally still think Ugarte will be useful in the right setup.

I only see the massive overpayment on Anthony and then obviously everything about the Onana deal as an absolute disaster.

 

[Zumbi]

Good time to remind you that the manager doesn‘t sign the players. Amorim didn‘t get most of his wishes, neither did Ten Hag.

The financial issues hampered especially Ten Hag, Amorim had a much better squad. Yet ETH has the high win ratio and trophies, while Amorim has the worst record ever. How can you even compare the two?

We spent £600 million during Ten Hag’s reign and we got progressively worse, suffering many of our most embarrassing batterings. We’re in a better place now than we were when Ten Hag left.

Sure, Ten Hag had a better win ratio and won more than Amorim. Nonetheless, they will both go down as failures who were rightly sacked. And this remains the dumbest argument on the internet.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We spent £600 million during Ten Hag’s reign and we got progressively worse, suffering many of our most embarrassing batterings.

That wasn’t down to the signings though, it was the mad bastard and his one man midfield formation.

 

[Zumbi]

That wasn’t down to the signings though, it was the mad bastard and his one man midfield formation.

His insane donut formation played a large part. But the lack of pace and physicality in our signings killed us and exacerbated that problem.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

His insane donut formation played a large part. But the lack of pace and physicality in our signings killed us and exacerbated that problem.

Nar, Prime Keano wouldn’t have been able to handle the fuxking donut.

Maz, De Ligt, Martinez, Mount, Yoro all have different qualities that’ll likely together with Mbeumo, Sesko & Cunha, make us a much better squad when we don’t have a donut for a manager or ”Mr. My way is the only way, even if Mason Mount plays at LB v Grimsby”.

It’s a strange position I find us in because I think we’re in a much better position with regards to our playing squad then we were when Ole left. ETH’s time gave us some good defensive signing, Amorim’s saw us get some good attackers.
What we need now is a midfielder or two (starting with the one that should’ve been coming in alonside Cas 2 years ago, but now even his replacement) and a manager who isn’t stark raving bonkers.

A midfield pair + Ancelotti I’d love.

 

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Even if this is true, it's like having the biggest dick at the small dick convention.

Both have been absolute disasters for united. One however oversaw a period of transfer activity which will go down in infamy for years to come.

At least the signings under Amorim all seem decent, will be useful for the next manager and look to have some form of strategy.

He's an Ajax and ten Hag fan. You're wasting your time mate.

 

[Zumbi]

Nar, Prime Keano wouldn’t have been able to handle the fuxking donut.

Maz, De Ligt, Martinez, Mount, Yoro all have different qualities that’ll likely together with Mbeumo, Sesko & Cunha, make us a much better squad when we don’t have a donut for a manager or ”Mr. My way is the only way, even if Mason Mount plays at LB v Grimsby”.

He wouldn’t have been able to fix it, but he would have been a lot more fecking useful than a thirty something Erikson or Casemiro.

Irrespective of Ten Hag’s stupid donut, do you honestly believe Ten Hag’s squad had the requisite pace and physicality to compete in the PL week in week out?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He wouldn’t have been able to fix it, but he would have been a lot more fecking useful than a thirty something Erikson or Casemiro.

Irrespective of Ten Hag’s stupid donut, do you honestly believe Ten Hag’s squad had the requisite pace and physicality to compete in the PL week in week out?

In form and healthy Martinez, yup.

De Ligt, no doubt.

Maz, absolutely.

Cas.. when he bought him yeah, especially alongside another good midfielder. Now it’s getting much harder.

Yoro.. eventually.

Højlund, was fecked the second Amorim arrived for me, as Sesko was also.

Either way, as I say, it’s a strange position I find us in because I think we’re in a much better position with regards to our playing squad then we were when Ole left.
ETH’s time gave us some good defensive signings which we desperately needed, Amorim’s saw us get some good attackers.

What we need now is a midfielder or two (starting with the one that should’ve been coming in alonside Cas 2 years ago, but now even his replacement) and a manager who isn’t stark raving bonkers.

 

[Zumbi]

In form and healthy Martinez, yup.

De Ligt, no doubt.

Maz, absolutely.

Cas.. when he bought him yeah, especially alongside another good midfielder. Now it’s getting much harder.

Yoro.. eventually.

Højlund, was fecked the second Amorim arrived for me, as Sesko was also.

Either way, as I say, it’s a strange position I find us in because I think we’re in a much better position with regards to our playing squad then we were when Ole left.
ETH’s time gave us some good defensive signings which we desperately needed, Amorim’s saw us get some good attackers.

What we need now is a midfielder or two (starting with the one that should’ve been coming in alonside Cas 2 years ago, but now even his replacement) and a manager who isn’t stark raving bonkers.

Three of the players you cherry picked weren’t even here for most of Ten Hag’s time!