It is especially hilarious seeing people saying we've thrown away a cup because we sacked Amorim. He went out to Grimsby.
Ruben Amorim | Sacked
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What was our OOP shape against Grimsby?
The excuses when it's clearly just a case that the players aren't good enough as it has been all long.
Cristiano was spot on when he said “You have to destroy it to rebuild it and if they start with me, for me, its not a problem”. A brilliant paraphrasing of a Picasso quote thats still true today. Utd needed a rebuild from the ground up and Amorim was easily the best thing happen to the club since Mourinho. But the owners clearly dont understand how football works. They expect a broken machine to start running without taking the time to take it apart, fix it properly and rebuild it. Sacking Amorim felt more like panic than a calculated decision and I really doubt it will work out well for us.
Man Utd this season all competition under Amorim
Played 20
Won 8
Draw 6
Loss 6
Man Utd since losing 3-1 to Brighton
Played 47
Won 19
Draw 12
Loss 16
Please tell me how is that an upward trajectory?
What's the fecking common denominator?
Two managers i wouldn't want in charge?
So it’s not worse then, it’s the same because the players are the issue?
It's pretty funny seeing Amorim fans who have been endlessly calling for patience after 14 months of bad results and poor performances now saying less that a week with an interim interim coach who has never done this before is proof this and that isn't working.
But I thought all the players would get instantly better when they reverted to positions they've been playing their whole career? This is so confusing. They must need 14 months to remember, I guess!
Amorim's footprints?
Well done avoiding the real answer because you're not ready to accept that you're wrong.
It happens every time on here it’s bizarre. He wasn’t good enough it’s as simple as that unfortunately.
There is no way today's result would've been any different under Amorim, he had us going backwards over the last 10 games or so of his tenure
40% this year.
And that's not amazing, but even if he had a 75% win rate this year he'd be at 46% overall and comparing unfavourably to legends such as ETH. It seems like a good proportion of our fans still don't understand the situation years of poor recruitment has put us in.
The sole improvement this season came from having some better attackers in the team. We would have needed the best 11 in the league for him to get top 4 and that best 11 would have had to be for 3-4-2-1 or he'd have got angry anyway.
I don’t think we’ve been worse, we’ve looked like a poor team for a few months now and we’ve deservedly been knocked out of both cups at the first hurdle with and without him.
The underlying data shows we were improving whether you choose to accept it or not.
We know. That doesnt excuse the stupid things Amorim did and said.
The actual results shows we werent. 32% win percentage isnt improvement no matter what XG says.
And yet some fail to accept you win more with a better team and squad.
Our squad has been steadily declining for the last 15 years, therefore you can expect a reduction in win ratio. Couple that with a more competitive league due to increased tv rights meaning all teams don’t have to sell their best players.
Plus you have to take into consideration team improvements due to new ownership. Man City were never a sure thing for win under Fergie, Moyes etc.
I’m not defending Amorim, his win rate is poor. But replacing him for someone else will not help this situation. Our squad is mid table at best, our first 11 is mid table at best, our ownership is atrocious and we are only mid table due to historical results and fanbase. Take away history and no one would come to us in the state we are in.
In business the normal process is you can pick from 2 of the 3 core deliverables (speed, quality or cost), but you can’t have all three.
Ineos and the glazers don’t have the money to have “cost” so we are in for a long ride before we ever see success again
I'm not wrong. He was going to get sacked eventually and had it coming.
If the interim somehow does better with this squad it does give more credence to the idea that Amorim was underperforming.
If he does worse, then the decision to sack Amorim early will feel stupid.
Going to put a pin on this and revisit at the end of the season. Let's see how it goes. For the sake of the club, I hope you're right.
Years of poor recruitment includes our managerial recruitment.
Nice, timely use of a stat
It's okay to admit you don't understand that graph mate, don't worry.
This thread is bonkers. He lost to Grimsby. Absolutely shit his self in the Europ league final. only won more than two games in a row twice in over a year, and was statistically the worst Man united manager for over 50 years. He was absolutely terrible and deserved to get sacked a lot sooner.
After 14 months literally all he's got is people plastering xG graphs on here. Fletcher loses one cup game to a PL side? Proof Amorim was good and everything else was the problem.
Besides didnt we have a good xG against Burnley anyway? Going by this logic, that means the draw is a good thing.
Was he sacked for poor performances?
this every time tonight one of our good players (Bruno) did something good, it would go to the feet of one of our bad players (Dalot, Zirkzee, Cunha tonight who just couldnt control the ball) the move would break down - typically through a bad touch or bad pass even over five yards. We're not doing the things - technical things - you just have to be able to do, regularly enough in the danger area.
And its ok to admit you dont see the actual result on ground.
the united way, baby!
Any normal person would look forward towards the next permanent manager.
But nope, some would rather look back towards one of the worst managers the club has ever had.
Cant say I understand it at all
But nope, some would rather look back towards one of the worst managers the club has ever had.
Cant say I understand it at all
Officially yes, unofficially no. The club statement mentioned he’d been reluctantly sacked as the club believed if properly replaced we have a chance to finish in the Champions League places; with him they believe we stood no chance.
I once checked the subreddit of United fans and they largely supported Amorim and criticised everyone else. It was bizarre.
There's a section of United fans who would back the manager even if he got us relegated, played a 7-2-1 every week and demanded an entirely new first 11 made up solely of players with the same star sign as him.
I thought we were looking a lot better in general, then we obviously missed Diallo and Mbeumo. Not to mention obviously suffering from the decision to sign yet another unproven striker and not strengthening centre midfield despite it being weaker than it was under ETH.
Our attacking football under Fletcher has been a bit like watching someone play Rocket League for the first time.
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