So is this guy ever going to make a statement to the fans or is that the last we’ll ever hear from him now his £10million heist is complete?
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He'll fade into the sunset on his Portuguese Batmobile
It's not really common to do that, is it?
I genuinely dont want to hear his nonsense for a good while tbh
Do you honestly care? What difference does it make?
I've asked chat GPT to write one if it helps.
To the Manchester United fans,
Thank you. From the first day, I felt the weight of this badge and the power of your support. This club is not just history or trophies — it is people, belief, and responsibility. Every time we walked onto the pitch, we knew we carried millions with us.
We did not always achieve everything we wanted, but I never doubted the commitment of this group or the passion that comes from the stands. In difficult moments, you stayed. In good moments, you lifted us even higher. That connection is something I will always respect and never forget.
When has this ever happened?
He'll eventually get asked about it when he's next hired or does an interview, but expecting some special statement is quite funny.
Moyes, Van Gaal, Ole and Ten Hag all have.
No, I’ve argued that poor results and performances were the main thing that precipitated the recent breakdown in relationship between INEOS and Amorim, and that if Amorim was getting great results and performances week in, week out, that wouldn’t have happened in the way it has. And that was specifically in response to posters claiming results and performances had nothing to do with it, which is patently nonsense. That doesn’t mean the current situation we’re in is mostly Amorim’s fault, accompanied by some made up blame percentage you’ve blindly pulled from your ass and decided to assign to me or others, because the blame for the broader mess our club is in almost exclusively falls on our owners over a much longer period of time, and not on one manager.
But again, as has been pointed out to you several times already, this is the Amorim thread, so the focus here is obviously on Amorim and his failings.
And that’s why I think you’re being disingenuous, equivocating on Amorim’s part in this with this weird, non-committal, devil’s advocate schtick of yours.
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Jose Mourinho - three days after being sacked:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...statement-sacking-next-club-epl-a8691016.html
Van Gaal - two days after being sacked:
https://www.nbcsports.com/soccer/news/louis-van-gaal-issues-statement-following-his-dismissal
Ten Hag - three days after being sacked:
https://www.tntsports.co.uk/footbal...ans-thank-you-message_sto20050391/story.shtml
David Moyes - one day after being sacked:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-statement-former-manchester-3446055
But other than that no, it never happens.
Not just at Utd either, Maresca recently released a statement to Chelsea fans, Ange did one to Spurs fans, Alonso just posted one etc. Such statements are very common.
It is understandable. But to different degrees. Thats all I am saying.
He most likely would be, I agree. But the tension that led to the meeting came from somewhere. Sure - not just from one singular reason which results and performances would be. Some on here think it is mostly down on this, I personally think he felt undermined due to trying to interfere with his formations. I don't know whether that was a point or not. But I haven't seen anything, that takes that possibility off the table.
It's quite common actually but I wouldn't ever expect a touch of class from that snake oil salesman who couldn't wait to collect his payout.
Would INEOS have interfered in that if his system was consistently getting great results and performances?
For what its worth - saying that results and performances have had nothing to do that is nonsense, I agree. And for the rest of the paragraph, I wouldn't have any objections here - but that isn't what I understood most of your others posts to be about. From my perception, it sounded as if you drew a clear connection from the results and performances to the meeting on that Friday. And thats the part where there isn't much "we know for sure" is.You are obviously right, results have created the tension that then of course will creep into discussions about other topics as well. And they may increase the likelyhood of somebody snapping.
Not sure what this means, as said, all of us talk about Amorim, to me, some posts sound as if they put a big part of the blame on Amorim, I don't agree, so I make a case that it isn't as big of chunk of the blame. Not sure why one side would be more fitting for the thread than the other. But I guess, we can leave it as that and I don't even ask about the end.
Classy way to frame your sentiment.
It's quite common actually but I wouldn't ever expect a touch of class from that snake oil salesman who couldn't wait to collect his payout.
All we know is that the results are what they are for quite some time. So I'd say there is a chance, that this point wasn't the thing that finally pulled the plug.
People like him are why our club has gone nowhere in the past decade. The Glazers and Ineos know the much of the fanbase are emotional and easily manipulated. They couldn't tell what progress looked like if it slapped them in the face. Just pitchforks in the face of any scary change. Any manager that has challenged the paradigm has been driven out of the club. Jose, Rangnick, now Amorim. Please mighty Ineos, bring back Ole so we feel safe and happy. Christ.
Flirting with relegation last season and winning once a month is definitely scary and challenging the paradigm at United.
Excuse me?
The utter cheek of you speaking of emotional manipulation while dying at the altar of the worst manager at any big 5 side in modern PL history and making a martryr out of him because of the sweet nothings he spoke. That's literally all he had in the end and people still defend him long after he engineered his own ouster and couldn't give 2 shits anymore.
Fans like you are why we're generally considered one of the most deluded fanbases. Always praying that a strongman manager will come around to save the day and become the next Fergie-like messiah figure for the next 10 years to turn us around. Modern football doesn't work that way, you don't simply get endless chances and resources to trial and error until something works regardless of results. That's not the process anywhere else.
INEOS may be even bigger clowns but that's mostly due to the fact they gave him hundreds of millions to spend after proving he wasn't going anywhere at the club. They did it with Ten Hag and they somehow did it again. Even sacking the guy who had apprehensions over the hire only to sack him themselves a year later. They're absolutely just as clueless as the manager they stuck by with long past expiration date due to sunken-cost fallacy.
Their incompetence doesn't justify the Portuguese De Boer's historic underperformance during all the time they backed him until he forced their hand. The dumbest part of it all is that he'd very well still be on the job if he actually wanted to stay.
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Yup. The likes of @Rolaholic are 100% the reason why our club has gone nowhere in the past decade. The Glazers have manipulated him and his emotions into thinking 31% win rate, early cup exits, 2 clean sheets this season and over 12 months to win consecutive league games once - is not good enough. Getting slapped by the first half vs Bournemouth or the loss to Villa as indicators of progress is not enough for the likes of him. I mean, the managers that challenged the paradigm were hounded out - so much so that Amorim was gainfully employed up until he spoke out!
@Rolaholic you have blood in your hands
Who cares. He is what he is, a stubborn ego maniac. It’s just a shame our director and CEO are also shiteheads, so we have nothing to hold onto for hope anymore.
It all makes sense. It's also massively in Ineos' interest to manipulate fans into wanting rid of another manager instead of being patient with the manager. Brings them the thrill of hunting another replacement mid season - all thanks to @Rolaholic
Right, we were oh so close to a breakthrough and record turnaround in the league after AFCON until INEOS messed everything up....
Madness I tell you
Up is down and left is right these days.
ManUtd job is the easiest job in the world, to build a fanbase, all you have to do it, shit on few players and talk about transfers. You dont even have to win trophies or lot of games, pathetic 31% win record, 1.23 points per page in league is enough, all they have to do is, talk shit about players to show who is the boss and then talk about transfers to "put management on the spot".
Eventually they will lose job, get big payout and then fans will make it sound like brave soldier lost his life fighting against corrupt regime.
Agree that we don't have the stomach for progress and big change. With the bolded, tbf, I don't think they are doing it on purpose; it's just incompetence. The Glazers just don't really give a feck, and INEOS don't appear to know what they are doing. Then when it goes wrong, yeah, it deflects attention to get an Ole in and start talking about Utd DNA, etc. This time they've decided they'll get less ire by appointing Carrick, which tbf I'm more happy with, so that's something!
So the recipe for true progress is alienating the players because you're incapable of inspiring them, publicly speaking out against your players and/or employers, and overseeing poor performances and results.
"I need to be given a strong squad full of players with exemplary attitudes. Until then, I'm not accountable for anything I say or do".
Are we really gonna go back to this for the next 10 pages? Didn't Amad say his relationship with Amorim was like Father-Son? Plenty of the players loved playing for him; it was just obvious. Another 20 pages of 2d compressions of a nuanced situation.... Who shouts loudest wins! Great
What's that got to do with what I wrote?
I don't disagree that Amorim had good relationships with players. I would contest whether he was able to instill the right mentality in the squad though.
My point is a manager publicly speaking out against the players and the board is too easily interpreted favourably by fans. It's weak leadership.
he was also just about to beat fruitYou said that he was unable to inspire the players... And that's directly contradicted by known facts. The mentality in the squad looked good to me. There were some really awful games, but there were a lot of good ones, too and you could see a team developing.
As for speaking out against the players, there were a couple of badly ill-advised statements, and I would agree it was really dumb to call us the worst Utd team in history. I guess it's for if you think that a manager is going to come in and do literally everything perfectly without making any mistakes... Unlikely for a 40-year-old manager. However, the things that he did well are probably the most important qualities for a manager in my book. People in here will revert to ridicule of this as usual because they lack the brain cells to actually reason it out. Plenty of people agree with me, plenty! Just because Andy Mitten says something doesn't make it de facto true.
He is suffering.
I have not read a word of Andy mittens take, nor do I care what he has to say. Plenty of people agree with you, plenty of people disagree. It doesn't matter.
What I saw from his team is that, yeah, the players looked happy and there didn't seem to be a mass falling out like other managers, but we lacked focus and composure and we were regularly outfought by teams with less individual ability. That's also part of the squad's mentality.
Yes, we need better players, but a manager has to work with what he has until then. And that was the point of my original post responding to the idea that Mourinho, Rangnick and Amorim were these great revolutionaries that were wrongly hounded out of the club. When the reality is they reacted to the pressure by criticising others in public. Inspiring indeed.
There is little reason to think that Amorim was sacked (or hired in the first place) because the owners took fan sentiment into consideration.
If they had, they would have sacked him months ago (which they should have - but that's a different story).
The Glazers (Woodward) trying (stupidly) to cater to the fans is something you can reasonably suggest as being a factor behind - well (obviously): sacking LVG and hiring José, and also hiring Ole on a permanent basis.
But for Amorim - no. He was neither hired nor sacked in order to cater to the fans (their "emotional" nature), I really don't see that.
1) Good!
2) It does matter because many people would have you believe that anyone who thought Amorim should not have been sacked is taking a ludicrous position - when it actually isn't at all. Hopefully, it contributes to getting through to the board that their future feck-ups are being seen.
3) That's fair enough, you can't really quantify these things. I would say that composure was definitely an issue, especially late on in games, especially amongst young CBs (understandable) and Ugarte. I think some of it is also part of the unique burden of playing for a club this size and with this much pressure. I disagree completely about regularly outfought. I didn't see that at all, but again, you can't quantify these things easily, and people's perception differs.
4) I've never really liked Mourinho as a manager, but I do mostly side with all these managers against the board(s)/owners. Rangnick said about open-heart surgery. I mean, shipping out the bomb squad wasn't a million miles off. I don't know what people's problems with pointing out how badly the club has been run and how rot has set in over years. It's just obvious at this point. Why on earth would anyone side with the likes of Wilcox and Berrada, who have so far proven to be demonstrably inept... It makes no sense to me at all, regardless on the thoughts about Amorim specifically.
Mourinho should never have been let in the door, Bobby Charlton said it years ago and he was right.
Yeah, he was.
But if you did a poll back then (on here - and elsewhere), there's little doubt a majority of United fans (in all kinds of categories, including locals/match goers) were in favour of him.
He was the fan favourite to take over when Fergie retired too (which made more sense, arguably - but he remained a fan favourite and was absolutely a very popular man when it became clear that LVG was done).
ETA Yes, he was divisive (of course - he's always been that), many United fans didn't want him. But he was - undoubtedly - wanted by a majority of world wide United fans both as Fergie's immediate successor and as LVG's replacement.
Pointing out the problems in the squad is a good thing. But the only people you need to do this to are the people running the club, not the media and fans. If you're doing it in public it's a self serving attempt to deflect criticism and pander to the fans.
As manager you're supposed to be motivating and inspiring the squad we do have, not throwing them to the wolves in public because you want the squad we don't have. It's weak leadership borne of insecurity.
Being against his sacking is one thing. I don't begrudge anyone thinking he needed more time. I actually agree to some extent (although his rigidity meant it was always going to take a long time to get the exact right players) . What I do find odd is how some people refuse to acknowledge the very valid reasons why he deserved to be sacked and cling on to our flimsy league position as some kind of definitive proof that he's the man worth backing.
It would have been interesting to see how he would have fared as Fergie's successor.
By that point Real Madrid was the only sour point on his record, and the fact that Chelsea, inter and Porto fans would have loved him back speaks volumes.
I still feel he was the perfect candidate to take over at that time. He had the charisma and record to follow Fergie but also the respect between them would have helped.
By the time he did come here there seemed to be an imbalance between cocksure and combative.
Yeah, fans did want him on more than one occasion, but for me he was never the right fit for Utd. When SAF retired, he was probably still operating at quite a high level, but he just soured pretty much everything he touched after Real.
We also have him to thank for Dalot, so there is that.
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