As a Russian, do you admire Putin and what he's doing in Ukraine?
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I'm not Russian, I'm a Brit. And I admire many things about Putin but his Ukraine policy and strategy aren't among them. The February 2022 invasion was the biggest mistake of a political life that has contained relatively few of them given how long it's been.
Nope, you take your pick, since this is your own point you're trying to make. Who on that list are the "highly influential leaders" you referred to?
I made a general point and am comfortable keeping it general. I won't engage with whatever the Kremlin came up with for 1 specific case.
Sorry but what’s there to admire about a guy who has looted his own country, turned himself into a dictator and autocrat and completely reversed the progress made with glasnost and perestroika
Oh wow, did not realize you are British. That'll teach me not to assume. What about Putin do you admire? I'm genuinely intrigued given his reputation for ruthless violence, sowing division and taste for discriminatory legislation.
Probably all of those.
He is the alphas alpha, even more ALPHA than Andrew Tate and looks AMAZING bare chested on a horse...
Hate to share a Piers link, but General Wes Clark is a man who should be heard.
This should be pinned on the top of each page of this thread.
You needed that confirmation?
Nah he's just a "brit", who is an "Everton fan" but only writes about russia talking points and putin manlove in a Manchester United forum. No Everton or United opinions whatsoever.
I should have signed as Sly, the Sporting fan and when other users ask me about portuguese football stuff I would talk about Salazar and the "good" ol days of portuguese fascism and imperalism.
I didnt that but I'm glad he's said that, no hiding anymore. Not that it wasnt clear already he's a Russian bot.
Good old Putin, who's made a 'mistake' of invading and occupying a third of Ukraine, bombing it daily and destroying their future (its West fault anyway), one of his few mistakes given how long he's been in power.
FSB probably gave him this assignment because ToffeeTalk and GrandOldTeam don't have enough exposure. Or perhaps it's like the Sims card debacle. They don't know the difference between Everton and United.
Need his opinion about the benign russian army experience of picking off ukranian civilians with drones in Kherson as well. Bucha and Mariupol didn't warrant any reaction.
Such a highly organised structure that its leader miscalculated the Ukrainian and Western resistance to his invasion so much that he expected to take Kyev on the first day because none of the strong men in his inner circle dared telling him the truth. Over a 1000 days in he's still nowhere near, the Russian economy is in shambles and from a geopolitical perspective Russia is as weak as never before. It's incredible that people actually believe the complete and utter nonsense you come up with.
>competent and strong
>columns of Russian armour ambushed and destroyed by light infantry in the first week.
Pick one.
>columns of Russian armour ambushed and destroyed by light infantry in the first week.
Pick one.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/22/...-civilians-drones-kherson-intl-cmd/index.html
Oh but they say they're trying to avoid hitting civilian targets.
I'm sure this is one more thing our beloved Everton supporter admires in Putin.
Oh but they say they're trying to avoid hitting civilian targets.
I'm sure this is one more thing our beloved Everton supporter admires in Putin.
It was all part of the master plan that would be foiled if the invasion was too successful.
But but but It was never Putin's plan to occupy the whole of country or topple the government. Nor have the first plans ever changed.
Watching all these clips about forced mobilisation and i wonder; do they send you in battle no matter what (literally give you stuff and drop you in fighting area) or you can say "i am not going, i pick jail"?
I really think is a broad oversimplification. It's a system in which no one wants to give bad news to his higher ups and in which everyone tries to take as much for himself as possible. If every level of the hierarchy exaggerates by just 10% how successful he is in preparing the operation it amounts to an astonishing deviation from reality once it reaches Putin. So it's not just Putin's inner circle that does this but everyone, and at the same time it means that each lie isn't that bad, it just amounts to a lot of false ideas in the end.
I pick jail means they beat the shit out of you and send you to the gulag where you will die shortly anyway. You have a greater chance of survival and getting basic necessities like food if you just go to war. Plus there will be a time limit for the war. It wont go on indefinitely. If you even survive gulag you will be there till they decide to let you out which will be never
That's obviously correct
I'd like to add that Putin's isolation especially in the aftermath of covid played a huge role, too. If you're so out of touch with the common folks that their opinions and sentiments don't even reach you, it's no wonder that you miscalculate these things as spectacularly as he did. It's the typical ivory tower effect. And yes, it's an issue of all autocracies. When people talk about the advantages of different political systems and say that autocracies can see through changes quicker and are more efficient in their operations than democracies, that is an aspect that's not considered enough, IMO. How are you supposed to make good decisions when the information you base those decisions on can't be trusted?If you genuinely believe I'm a "bot" then why do you expend time and energy engaging with what I write and getting upset over it? If I'm a bot then you are literally arguing with a machine and getting riled up over it.
I'm not at all upset over it. I just stated a fact, nothing else and quoted you.
Correct, it was not Putin's plan to occupy Ukraine. You don''t occupy a country of 40 million people, the vast majority of whom want nothing to do with Russia, with an invading force of 160,000. It would be literally impossible as well as geopolitically pointless. But this has all been discussed before and at this point if you still believe Russia's goal was, is or will be occupation of Ukraine then there's nothing that can be written that will convince you otherwise.
And the other thing you write is NOT correct, it is in fact one of the 4 aims of what he calls the SMO to overthrow the Zelenskiy government. Fortunately for him it would appear the West is now on the same page regarding that.
Your last sentence was correct. The original goals of the 'SMO' have not changed. And I've a suspicion that 3 years in, you still are unable to state what those goals are without looking them up. Note here by the way: I'm not saying you even have to believe that those are in fact the goals. I'm asking: can you even state what they are? Because Baerbock can't. Kallas can't. Lammy can't. They're still on the "Putin thought he would occupy Ukraine in 3 days!" script.
But you're engaging directly with a "bot". Why?
What, you mean you DON'T know loads of Everton supporters who only post 1000 word essays about Kremlin talking points on football forums?
You live a very sheltered life, man.
Sure mate, sure. Keep on truckin'.
It's been at least 20 months since I last heard the denazification hits being convincingly played. Give us a go!
And just to be on the same page: I am not engaging with you anymore than I am engaging with tupac when I quote him.
See what I mean? And yet I'm the one you accuse of having no idea about this war.
And as for the Russian economy being "a shambles", how's the German economy doing these days? I recall back in March 2022 Bruno le Maire (French finance minister) and Christian Lindner (German finance minister) each vowed to "crush" the Russian economy by summer 2022. Here we now are in December 2024 and both the Germans and French governments have collapsed primarily over massive economic issues. Turns out vassalising yourselves to Washington's economic and geopolitical interests is kind of a stupid thing to do. By all means keep on doing it though and then pinning every election that doesn't go your way on the "Putin-sympathising far right".
Next he'll tell us he's devastated cause of Ukraine and Ukraine is in fact getting destroyed cause of the West. When will the West stop this madness?!
I agree with that.
Cause you're one clever bot, aren't you?
Erm, that's not why the French and German economies are going through a bad patch.
You're comparing a Ferrari going in 4th gear to a Lada currently lacking tires.
You mean like when your "partners and allies" assure you back in March 2022 that if you keep on fighting, they will supply you with all the weapons you need when you need them? And they, in turn, will collapse the Russian economy meaning Putin will have to stop the war by the summer? And Ukraine will be admitted into NATO when it's all over?
All of which were lies and have led to the functional destruction of Ukraine?
But hey, at least they're starting to be honest about things now. Just last week Boris Johnson yet again said the quiet part out loud:
“We’re waging a proxy war, but we’re not giving our proxies the ability to do the job"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ould-help-defend-ukraine-border-in-ceasefire/
He also joined the chorus of Western officials both past and present publicly pressuring Zelenskiy to mobilise the last remaining Ukrainian men, and my old pal Ben Hodges posted on Twitter that Ukraine should also mobilise Ukrainian women because "there's plenty of work for women in the armed forces". He also called for all Ukrainian men living abroad to be shipped back to Ukraine to fight (good luck AA, go put your formidable NATO experience to good use).
This thread contains some of the bravest people I've ever known, laughing in the face of the "hilariously incompetent" Russian army, so I'll again post the link for you to go and help out with Ukraine's manpower shortage. They're fighting for your freedom, after all.
https://ildu.com.ua
I'm now off to programme myself to sing Bicycle Made For Two just for 'Real Name', have a good Friday all.
Nah, you don't understand. Western countries changed governments and Russia didn't, that clearly indicates that their economies must be doing much worse, surely.