Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Thread starter Wednesday at Stoke
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's emphatic 4-1 win over Chelsea at Old Trafford and celebrate Manchester United being back in the Champions League. They also discuss United Women, takeover latest and transfer rumours before previewing the FA Cup Final vs. Manchester City.
A lot so far reliable pro Ukraine channels suddenly posting different videos of very well equipped Ukraine forces moving or on command posts with tanks and other western machinery.
Quite too many to be a sudden coincidence, some sort of info operation underway.
Quite too many to be a sudden coincidence, some sort of info operation underway.
Some insane footage.
I don't understand what the hell they are doing here. Where is the infantry support? This just seems like the same idiotic tactics the Russians where trying last year, with a couple of infantry squads behind the tanks they would have taken those positions back in no time.
Infantry are in the BMP holding back, while the tank does its work.
Looks like Bakhmut will fall after all. City is surrounded from 3 sides and reports of Russians in the center.
Feck Wimbledon too.
If my country invades, rapes, pillages and steals from another then I would expect to be punished for it. Giving sportsmen and women a pass is absurd to me, no matter if they do or do not support the decisions of their Government.
The age old excuse of "politics should not be involved in Sport" boils my piss. Why should they be given a free pass while other citizens don't? Why should Sportsmen be allowed to leave Russia while others have their passports taken away and their rights revoked. It's pathetic reasoning.
So the same tactics the Russians tried last year, armored attacks with no infantry support for the MBT's leaving them extremly vurnerable to infantry level anti tank weapons.
I hope it's just some old Soviet mid level commander who came up with this plan because this is not what the Ukrainian troops that are being trained in the west are training to do.
It is.
As an ice hockey fan, I'm just glad that the IIHF showed serious backbone by recently extending the ban on Russian and Belarussian national ice hockey teams for at least one more year. The IOC and now the ATP/WTA totally disgraced themselves in a matter of a few days.
Really? Eveb if they dont support their country? You are fecking over peoples lifes for some other people feck ups? Not fair in my opinion. Should US/french/UK/spain sportmen women be banned for all the feck ups in yemen? Israel also? Give me a break
Government account trolling another government account.
That’s a decent burn, to be fair.
I dunno, I think the Russian tactics your referring to is them throwing armour headlong down unknown routes, exposed from all sides, without a care in the world. This appears to be Ukraine clearing one trench in an area they know well, they know those fields aren't mined, they will be in open contact with the drone operator and have the BMP for infantry support if needed. They were lucky that rpg missed, but I presume they feel is less risky letting frontal tank armour take on whatever is in that trench instead of exposed foot soldiers. I'm sure they love to let mortars and grenade drones do all the work, but gotta use what they got.
Russia uses sport as a propaganda tool since forever. Every participation, every victory will be exploited by the Kremlin and helps Putin to keep the public quiet. "See, everything is okay. We even participate in international competitions like tennis and olympics."
I can't believe that after state sponsored doping in Sochi and now a genocidal war, they still can participate in international competitions. How can people be that stupid or that corrupt?
You do understand how ridiculous this statement is? I feel deeply sorry that a few sportsmen and women have to suffer the indignity of not being able to enter global competitions for a few years, how very incontinent for them. I'm sure the average Russian citizen who can't escape Russia in fear of being sent to prison or worse dragged off to the front is deeply frustrated that their sports stars can't play. I'm sure the average dead Ukrainian citizen is upset that they can't play, no wait, they're dead already. Maybe the raped women will give a damn? Probably not. I'm sure that all the dead Ukrainian citizens don't think it's fair they were murdered either.
feck Sport in this regard, it's a dumb position to take. If I was Ukrainian and I was in a locker room with a Russian that was pro war, how on earth could I control myself? Putting Sportsmen and women in that position is absurd, unfair and cruel.
Gosh, Macron is deluded AF.
It doesn't make it right, but there's more to this than just Wimbledon. The event was classified an exhibition event last year because it banned Russian players. The issue is the ATP / WTA, because they made it a none-ranking event, not Wimbledon in my opinion.
Mad weather in Bakhmut, its all gunna melt within a couple days.
I once had high hopes for him. He's turned to be such a feckless disappointment.
My statement is ridiculous? Here yourself that you think that sport is only elite and only wimbeldon. There are many layers and sports had meant heaps througout history. Check yourself. You are in a sports forum if feck sport and you want to make a statement just cancel all global sport in general till every conflict is fixed. Triage can be done with russian sportman/sportwoman and yes some might fake it but i prefer not to feck someone innocent over
As long it doesnt affect you all nice and dandy. There are perfectly decent russian sportmen and sportwomen that are getting shaft and instead of helping them you just want to punish them. Wrong them doesnt make it right for ukraine, probably the opposite. I would never want someone to be punished just because they share nationality with someone that feck me over that is plain stupid
I think you're being very naive about just how much Russia will use its sportspeople for propoganda. It's doesn't matter how nice or decent the individuals are. You're enabling the regime by allowing them to play. Moreover, as said above, you're telling people in countries affected by this (not just Ukraine) that they should play nice with the people attacking them.
This. Feck those Russians. All of them. If they want to participate in civilized society then behave in a civilized manner.
every single Russian should feel the repercussions of their stupid invasion of Ukraine.,
Wondering how accurate the total amounts Russians have of each group. Destroyed counts should be fairly accurate as a big % of it is visually confirmed.
Replace Russia with USA/Israel and Ukraine with Iraq/Palestine and you have the classic terrorist rhetoric. But since it's Russia it's perfectly reasonable to have this for of thinking.
As bad as it looks, this wheather condition favors the defenders. It's extremly hard to move forward in that snow. And when the melting begins, armor will be useless for a couple of weeks. Ukraine needs to hold until their offensive starts. Then russian pressure should ease considerably in Bakhmut when they have to move troops to defend Ukraine's offensive.
Yeah, their footage is nearly on the same level as Kraken's. Both units provide the best footage of this war so far. This video shows sadly, that the russians managed to capture the trench Ukranians were defending in their first video, posted a week ago.
Those shots at 7:40, 7:55 and 10:10.....directly into the trench....carnage. It's good that they didn't show the aftermath.
Last edited:
Yet all the Russians in the NHL are free to continue playing.
So what? Wimbledon is Wimbledon - who cares whether because of winning it a player's ranking wouldn't be affected?
As I said, it doesn't necessarily make it right. Dropping ranking points in a grand slam has major affects on overall rankings though and affects players. There were a few players last year who spoke out about it and how the dropped points meant they missed invites to other tournaments.
My main point is that Wimbledon went against the ATP last year and the other grand slams & other major tournaments did not. The decision should be coming from the ATP and it should apply to all tournaments, not just one. It shouldn't be the tournaments who make this decision.
Yes, it is perfectly reasonable since we are against Russia, against Putin, and agaist dictatorships. We support Ukraine in this war.
If you insist in whataboutism for Iraq/Palestine, isn't it more reasonable for you to ask Iran or Turkey or Pakistan, why they did not boycott the Olympics? It is not reasonable for England and USA to boycott themselves, right?
fecking Ovechkin, the cnut, still has Putin in his ig profile pic and yet NHL celebrates that pos almost every week
They are not playing under the Russian flag, or Russia as a country. They are residents of USA/Canada, have visas, live and work there, pay their taxes in USA/Canada, and NHL is a private, closed enterprise.
So, what you are asking is to cancel their visas and work permits? And practically expel them from USA/Canada?
This is very different from banning Russian athletes from the international competitions we are discussing here.
Last edited:
There is a difference between war and genocide. I wouldn't have actually been mad if the illegal war in Iraq had had consequences for those nations taking part in it, although I think unfortunately it was one of those things that once they'd started you might be better for everybody to finish, which is different to the Russians in Ukraine where the best thing that could happen for both sides would be for the Russians to leave immediately since they haven't overthrown the Ukrainian government.
But regardless, the Americans and British weren't in the dock in The Hague for the forced deportation and indoctrination of children. They weren't systematically attacking civilian infrastructure, including where they knew hundreds of women and children were sheltering, they didn't openly massacre hundreds of civilians in the street like in Bucha. They didn't plan to use concentration camps to subdue the population once they'd taken the capital.
I absolutely think some or all of the western powers in Iraq and Afghanistan must have committed war crimes, and shamefully some of them were even state sanctioned ones such as the torture in "dark sites" or whatever they called them, but the scale is totally incomparable. I'm sure war crimes happen in all wars but they're not supposed to be an integral part of the State's strategy.
It really is April Fool's day...
‘Absurdity to a new level’ as Russia takes charge of UN security council
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...as-russia-takes-charge-of-un-security-council
‘Absurdity to a new level’ as Russia takes charge of UN security council
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...as-russia-takes-charge-of-un-security-council
My point is there isn't a big red button that he can press. Others have to take decision along a chain of command. Those people know that escalation is not in anybody's best interests - the end game is that nobody can win. Mutually Assured Destruction is real and its probably the reason we had relative peace since WW2.