That is an absurd suggestion. Absolutely absurd.
Russian invasion of Ukraine
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That is an absurd suggestion. Absolutely absurd.
823 UAV/missiles being reported last night. Lots of civilian casualties from the looks of things :/
Hopefully this is the extent of their stockpiling and we're not going to see an extended period with these numbers. Its not helping their war effort though, regardless.
Ukrainian cruise missiles hammering a target in Donetsk. Not Flamingo, something else.
More than 20 dead in Russian attack on Ukrainian village, Zelensky says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jz08j8313o
It’s so obvious that Putin is completely out of ideas to ‘win’ this war. Attacks like this will be about as effective as the Blitz was. They draw people together rather than make them want to surrender.
For all the joshing and jokes some of us dickheads do on these CE threads, @AfonsoAlves provides great insight and he's not one to cherry pick info like a bot.
Through Belarus or how does this work ? The other option is flying through the entire Ukraine.
Lots of reports about the Russian drone attack now.
Sounds like the drones may have errantly gone off course. That's the charitable interpretation at least.
Let's hope that's all there is to it because it appears that US has also scrambled aircraft now.
I haven't been following the war very closely, but I'm assuming this is a new first, being attacks on Poland/Nato Member soil?
They are shooting the drones down, good, anything military that Russia sends over NATO-territory should be shot down.
Happened before when Russia attacked Western Ukraine, something went off course.
It was an Ukrainian missile that inadvertently was shot down into our airspace and killed two farmers. I think we haven’t had Russian units in our air space since the war started. Lots of panic around here now (Krakow isn’t that far from the border and my hometown is in the East too).
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Cool, my region is there.
Erm, isn't that technically sufficient to invoke art.5 
Some of the drones were over, or close, to Warsaw air space. That isn't going a little bit of course. That was intentional.
Yep there was no way this was accidental. Zero chance.
Let's hope none of the drones were weaponised in any way but regardless, a strong response needs to follow.
Several of them were armed, some were not. 19 of them entered our airspace.
Bit concerning after last weeks mad dictator's tea party
You would have to be concerned that this was a test of your defensive response in preparation for later actions. It can't be a simple mistake at that level of incursion.
It absolutely looks like probing.
Don't think so, but art. 4 has been invoked.Erm, isn't that technically sufficient to invoke art.5
Nah, they won't attack us, they have no reason to and very little to gain from a military operation. They just want to destabilize us further, these are Russian tactics and they are succeeding at that as you already have people here somehow blaming Ukraine for 'pulling us into their war'. Russia have done tremendous job over the last 3 years at spreading misinformation and shifting Poles against Ukraine/EU/anything west of Russia. They don't really need to encroach on our territory to build up their influence, pro-Russian parties are already polling at 20% combined.
Salami tactics, trying to see how far they can get. Were those drones attacking something or they were just flying around?
They were just flying around. I don't see anything they could gain from attacking Poland, it's just scaremongering. Russians love to create chaos and that is exactly what they are doing, they are banking on their useful idiots here to do the rest of the job (and they won't be disappointed).
What I meant was testing how a NATO country and the wider alliance would react to gradually increasing provocations. The actual target might be the Baltics.
Yep that is plausible. If they succeed in Ukraine, I can see them targeting Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania next. NATO’s reaction now is going to be important.
They sent the drones, and according to reddit the russian bots are now hard at work trying to blame Ukraine on Polish facebook.
But isn't it kind of irrelevant whether they were technically "attacking" a target in Poland or just "flying around" (as you put it)?
NATO should expand a slight no fly zone buffer into Ukraine under the guise of protecting nato territory
This is true. Not just the bots, I know actual people who are fuming at Ukraine for lying about Russian drones.
It's an important distinction as one means war, the other means a little panic.
Jesus, buying into the propaganda. Thankfully I don't know anybody who believes that stuff.
A violation of airspace and an actual attack are not the same thing, or else Russian Tu-95s would have caused the invocation of article 5 about once every few days for a some decades now. Mostly it is meant to disrupt, annoy, and wear on the countries involved. What's a training flight for the Russians means an alarm scramble for the countries involved.
I’m getting so sick of this shit. Should have sent a message long ago when Russia invaded Georgia, by stopping them. Crimea should have never happened.
You could probably go back further.
As far as I’m concerned, Russia is winning its war with the west. Their disinformation campaigns have worked. They helped elect Trump and a number of other populist leaders in Europe.
You could probably go back further.
As far as I’m concerned, Russia is winning its war with the west. Their disinformation campaigns have worked. They helped elect Trump and a number of other populist leaders in Europe.