Russian invasion of Ukraine

harms said:
Pretend to whom? If you’re talking about internal propaganda, Russia’s been “fighting NATO” for a couple of years now. It’s very much the official message (and a lot of people of the streets believe it), it doesn’t need any factual basis behind it.
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I don't know if anyone still needs convincing, maybe not. My line of though here is just around Putin' survival planning if/when the stack of cards falls and how much recognition there is not just among the people, but among the hierarchy on just how catastrophic Putin's own actions have been to the country, the people and wealth of the elites, without any outside influence.

It probably is as simple as standard Russian scaremongering, but Peskov/Lavrov were also making very loud public statements last week on how NATO is waging war on them, as if they still need to convince someone.
 
Turkey once shot down a Russian jet that refused to leave NATO airspace, and then what? Russia did nothing of note, as a response.

Russian jets don't belong in NATO air space, set another example, tell them to get out, or get blown up, it really should be that simple.
 
Simbo said:
I don't know if anyone still needs convincing, maybe not. My line of though here is just around Putin' survival planning if/when the stack of cards falls and how much recognition there is not just among the people, but among the hierarchy on just how catastrophic Putin's own actions have been to the country, the people and wealth of the elites, without any outside influence.

It probably is as simple as standard Russian scaremongering, but Peskov/Lavrov were also making very loud public statements last week on how NATO is waging war on them, as if they still need to convince someone.
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It's clearly a provocation but it doesn't look like Putin is trying to bait out a real military response from NATO. And he doesn't need one (the actual response) in order to convince the majority of the population that Russia's already de-facto at war with NATO. He's causing chaos, more testing the limits of NATO (the true unity of which he doesn't believe in so he hopes that it'll expose the differences between its members) than expecting this to provoke a serious military response.

Christo Grozev also says that there was, before the attack, a disinformation campaign that had tried to blame the upcoming drone attacks on Ukraine. Yes it sounds absurd but a lot of the stuff that some people are willing to believe in nowadays are.
 
Morty_ said:
Turkey once shot down a Russian jet that refused to leave NATO airspace, and then what? Russia did nothing of note, as a response.

Russian jets don't belong in NATO air space, set another example, tell them to get out, or get blown up, it really should be that simple.
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I bet that's what he wants. It would be really useful for his propaganda.
 
maniak said:
I bet that's what he wants. It would be really useful for his propaganda.
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I don't see how a military escalation with NATO could be of any benefit for Russia, given its current, enormous difficulties with Ukraine alone.
 
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That_Bloke said:
I don't see how a military escalation with NATO could be of any benefit for Russia, given its current, enormous difficulties with Ukraine alone.
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He doesn't want a conflict, but a plane being shot down by nato would be great propaganda. He keep saying they're at war with nato, they would have something to show for it.
 
maniak said:
He doesn't want a conflict, but a plane being shot down by nato would be great propaganda. He keep saying they're at war with nato, they would have something to show for it.
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He doesn't need it, that narrative has already been running for years in Russia.
 
maniak said:
He doesn't need it, but it would be a bonus and it would convince many non-russians, that's all I'm saying.
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Those, at least in the west, who supports Russia, are just tankies, they will back anything that is opposed to "the west" on reflex.

Its a group of people that are just hopeless.
 
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Morty_ said:
Those, at least in the west, who supports Russia, are just tankies, they will back anything that is opposed to "the west" on reflex.

Its a group of people that are just hopeless.
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I hope that you're not directing this one at me.

That would be hilarious.
 
Well FML :lol: I may not have convinced anyone on here that Russian economic collapse is just a matter of time, despite my best efforts, but at least Trump is coming round :lol:



Feck knows what Zelensky has done to him today, but he's making statements like he's just put Trump in his pocket.


Unfortunately though, tomorrow is a new day and Trumps words mean absolutely jack shit.
 
Simbo said:
Well FML :lol: I may not have convinced anyone on here that Russian economic collapse is just a matter of time, despite my best efforts, but at least Trump is coming round :lol:



Feck knows what Zelensky has done to him today, but he's making statements like he's just put Trump in his pocket.


Unfortunately though, tomorrow is a new day and Trumps words mean absolutely jack shit.
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That's what I was thinking. Putin will call him and then the reversal happens. It's so crazy.
 
utdalltheway said:
That's what I was thinking. Putin will call him and then the reversal happens. It's so crazy.
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Yes, its very strange though as I find it unlikely Trump wrote that himself and its been reposted by the white house x account... Like its a very intentional message.

It might also go some way to ending the western media blackout on reporting how much trouble Russia is in.
 
Thats a really surprising and good statement by Trump.
But lets not get carried away, in the next days he will surely defend Putin/Russia again and blame Ukraine/NATO.

I also dont buy that sex tape rumors, that are allegedely in the hands of Mossad and the Russians.

At this point there could be a video of Trump raping a minor and the majority of MAGA lunatics would say its an AI fake or that the girl wanted it.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Thats a really surprising and good statement by Trump.
But lets not get carried away, in the next days he will surely defend Putin/Russia again and blame Ukraine/NATO.

I also dont buy that sex tape rumors, that are allegedely in the hands of Mossad and the Russians.

At this point there could be a video of Trump raping a minor and the majority of MAGA lunatics would say its an AI fake or that the girl wanted it.
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Yeah, even if something like that was real, how do you blackmail someone who has zero shame whatsoever? He will claim its fake, made up by antifa or something, insist on it, besides, half the country will believe him anyway.

He likes dictators, as he too, wishes he has as strong of a grip on a country, as Putin does in Russia, or Kim in NK.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Thats a really surprising and good statement by Trump.
But lets not get carried away, in the next days he will surely defend Putin/Russia again and blame Ukraine/NATO.

I also dont buy that sex tape rumors, that are allegedely in the hands of Mossad and the Russians.

At this point there could be a video of Trump raping a minor and the majority of MAGA lunatics would say its an AI fake or that the girl wanted it.
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I don't think there are actual sex tape rumours that ukr intelligence possess, I was making a joke
 
One call with Putin and he'll be blaming Ukraine again for starting the war.

Trump will say pleasant things for the last person he spoke with but he has shown a sympathetic bias for "strong leaders". Don't get too caught up in these latest comments.
 
So when do we find out what good news there is from the front line?
 
Simbo said:
Well FML :lol: I may not have convinced anyone on here that Russian economic collapse is just a matter of time, despite my best efforts, but at least Trump is coming round :lol:



Feck knows what Zelensky has done to him today, but he's making statements like he's just put Trump in his pocket.


Unfortunately though, tomorrow is a new day and Trumps words mean absolutely jack shit.
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For people who know more than me: is this now the way in which the US is supplying Ukraine? The US to NATO, and then an apparently unconnected NATO to Ukraine weapons transfer? Seems convoluted, but perhaps it allows Trump to tell his isolationist supporter base that he’s not giving anything to Ukraine.
 
TwoSheds said:
So when do we find out what good news there is from the front line?
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Probably something about saving Pokrovsk and winning the battle there, if we focus on singular events. In the broad picture it is likely that Ukraine will keep pressure high on Russian oil industry and probably will also aim for more railways once they can do that reliably. The Flamingo cruise missile should be capable of destroying some bridges, but it's doubtful they have the accuracy yet.

At some point this will severely diminish the output of the Russian industry as well as creating logistics trouble.
 
NicolaSacco said:
For people who know more than me: is this now the way in which the US is supplying Ukraine? The US to NATO, and then an apparently unconnected NATO to Ukraine weapons transfer? Seems convoluted, but perhaps it allows Trump to tell his isolationist supporter base that he’s not giving anything to Ukraine.
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It also probably has something to do with who pays for those weapons? The US or European countries
 
Revan said:
It also probably has something to do with who pays for those weapons? The US or European countries
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Yes that’s also true. At any rate I’m glad to see that Trump is, at least some of the time, talking about an Ukraine victory and sanctions on Putin. Not sure anything will come of it, mind.
 
Ukraine hints that Hungarian drones violated its airspace for reconnaisance.
Reconnaissance drones that violated Ukraine's airspace could have flown from Hungary to check the industrial potential of western border areas, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Friday, prompting a mocking rebuke from Budapest.
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"President Zelenskiy is losing his mind to his anti-Hungarian obsession. He's now starting to see things that aren't there," Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said in a post on X.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ted-its-airspace-possibly-hungary-2025-09-26/
 
Ukraine achieved some small successes around Pokrovsk, saying they've encircled a substantial amount of Russian troops (suffice to say the situation remains extremely dangerous and it could still fall).
Ukrainian troops surround hundreds of Russian infantrymen, restoring hope after a brutal summer and, they say, swaying Trump in their favour.

“Perhaps they can sit there for a month before they die, surrender or withdraw,” he adds. “We are 40,000 against more than 100,000 Russians. We won here with manoeuvre defence and quick, quality decisions.”
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https://www.thetimes.com/world/russ...kraine-russia-war-donetsk-azov-hope-gkhjnk8zg
 
Kyiv hit by 'massive' Russian attack, mayor says
A "massive attack" by Russia against Ukraine's capital has killed at least four people and injured at least 27 others, Ukrainian authorities have said.
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Drones hit several regions overnight, including Zaporizhzhia, where at least 16 people, including three children, were injured, authorities said. Ukraine's foreign minister said hundreds of drones and missiles had been used in the latest attacks around Ukraine. Russia has not commented.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75qeqr5905o
 
Ukraine has been hitting Russia’s gas refineries for years, and more recently its electric power stations (possibly with US weapons and with Trump’s agreement).
Has anyone seen any articles examining just how much of an effect this is happening? Both in terms of domestic supply, and obviously their export (which is the primary source of funding keeping this war going).
I assume Ukraine can hit them more quickly than Russia can repair them, but I’ve seen nothing to show a drop in their exports.
 
NicolaSacco said:
Ukraine has been hitting Russia’s gas refineries for years, and more recently its electric power stations (possibly with US weapons and with Trump’s agreement).
Has anyone seen any articles examining just how much of an effect this is happening? Both in terms of domestic supply, and obviously their export (which is the primary source of funding keeping this war going).
I assume Ukraine can hit them more quickly than Russia can repair them, but I’ve seen nothing to show a drop in their exports.
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Article? No, most main media networks are allergic to reporting on Russia's internal problems. Those that do just parrot Kremlin talking heads. I saw a Bloomberg article today reporting on how well Rosneft is doing in the face of sanctions :rolleyes: I've also seen it mentioned a few times that Trump has given 'permission' to hit certain targets, which I find laughable. Feck knows who's propaganda that belongs to, Ukraine trying to drive a wedge between Trump & Putin maybe, or Trump trying to pretend he has any sort of control on the situation.

My go-to for updates on things like this is Evgen, just have a look through his page.


Ukraine stopped hitting refineries when Trump got in. To give him a chance to 'negotiate' I guess. What Ukraine is doing now is a different beast though .Its a full on campaign going on two months to bring Russia to a standstill right before winter sets in. Aside from covering everything in drone nets, they don't appear to have an answer to it, its only going to get worse.

They are blaming tax hikes for the prices, tourists for the shortages (yes, really) and unnecessary panic buying, but the effects of the last two weeks worth or attacks aren't even realised yet, the next two weeks worth are only going to add to it, etc.
 
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