Russian invasion of Ukraine

If that really is what happened then Putin was surprisingly tone-deaf. Trump respects and admires the mob boss version of Putin, who dictatorially rules his country effectively unopposed and can have opponents murdered or locked up as he likes. It's what he resonates with, what he wants to be himself, what methods he understands. If Putin approached this in a way that's functionally dividing up Ukraine between them with Trump economically exploiting the west and Putin doing his land grab in the east, they may well have found common ground.

But a history lecture? Trying to reason and argue for why Putin's right? Trump doesn't give a damn about that, even if he were mentally capable of grasping what is said.
i could be misremembering but wasn't this exactly what he did to Tucker Carlson on his Russia trip? Tucker thought he'd be lobbing softball after softball and all Putin wanted to do was recite "history".
 
So far not much newsworthy regarding the meeting between Trump and Zelensky.
 
Looks like Ukraine held off Russia relatively well this summer. Ofcourse the situation remains vulnerable in areas like Pokrovsk but surely Putin hoped to achieve far more.

Russia's latest big Ukraine offensive gains next to nothing, again
In May, Russia launched an enormous offensive aimed at breaking Ukrainian lines. Its furious attacks in the following months set the entire front line ablaze. However, our calculations suggest it has seized just 0.4% of Ukrainian land. Russian forces have achieved no major objectives, with key cities such as Pokrovsk holding the invaders at bay despite relentless attacks.
The offensive has come at an enormous cost: our meta-estimate suggests over 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the war this year.
https://www.economist.com/interacti...ukraine-offensive-gains-next-to-nothing-again
 
i could be misremembering but wasn't this exactly what he did to Tucker Carlson on his Russia trip? Tucker thought he'd be lobbing softball after softball and all Putin wanted to do was recite "history".
It's what he does all the time nowadays. He's one of those odd conspiracy history enjoyers that tragically got to the position of ultimate power.
 
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No tomahawks for Ukraine.
And trump telling them to stop where they are and end the war.
He said both sides should stop where they are and claim victory. Which none of the sides want to do. And Ukraine still holds land in Kursk region, freezing the lines in that way would be more humiliating for Russia than returning to pre war borders.
 
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No tomahawks for Ukraine.
And trump telling them to stop where they are and end the war.

Not the most accurate take away from the meeting imo. In his own Art of the Deal style, Trump is basically using a carrot and stick approach with Putin by threatening to give Zelenskyy cruise missiles if Putin doesn't make some concessions. If Trump would've announced at the meeting yesterday that Zelenskky was definitely receiving them, that would've disincentivized Putin to meet with Trump in Budapest, nevermind make any concessions.
 
German intelligence on the Russian threat:
  • Undermining NATO and destabilizing European democracies.
  • Election manipulation.
  • Exploiting groups like the Reichsburger movement.
  • Infiltrating the German military.

 
German intelligence on the Russian threat:
  • Undermining NATO and destabilizing European democracies.
  • Election manipulation.
  • Exploiting groups like the Reichsburger movement.
  • Infiltrating the German military.



Sounds about right since that's largely been Putin's strategy against democracies for at least the past 15 years. It was also one of the hallmarks of old Soviet strategy in Europe to foment discontent among domestic publics to weaken them during the cold war.
 
Looks like the White House meeting was a bad one. Trump insisted that Ukraine should concede the entire Donbas region but Zelensky swinged him back to endorsing a freeze on the current frontlines.

 
The Washington Post reported earlier that Witkoff also said that Ukraine should just give up Donbas because it's a Russian-speaking region.
 
Looks like the White House meeting was a bad one. Trump insisted that Ukraine should concede the entire Donbas region but Zelensky swinged him back to endorsing a freeze on the current frontlines.



If that's Trump's strategy, there won't be any deal.
 
The Washington Post reported earlier that Witkoff also said that Ukraine should just give up Donbas because it's a Russian-speaking region.

Which is a silly argument by Witkoff, who knows feck all given that his background is in NY real estate. I hope Zelenskky told him that people in Odessa, Kherson, and Mykolaev also mostly speak Russian and they want to be part of Ukraine.
 
Kindergarten hit today and last night there were also casualties.

At least seven people have been killed including two children during intense Russian drone and missile strikes on Ukraine, says President Volodymyr Zelensky.
A kindergarten was hit in Ukraine's second biggest city Kharkiv and there was widespread damage in Kyiv, in a series of attacks that Zelensky said proved Moscow had not come under enough pressure for its continued war. At least 27 people including children are reported hurt.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czjpe0193geo
 
I read Zelensky is now open to a peace treaty along current war lines. I'm not sure what that helps, cause he doesn't want to fully cede those territories and Russia hasn't seemed interested in any compromise on their objectives. But maybe showing some flexibility helps Ukraine regain some favour with Trump (once again).
 
I read Zelensky is now open to a peace treaty along current war lines. I'm not sure what that helps, cause he doesn't want to fully cede those territories and Russia hasn't seemed interested in any compromise on their objectives. But maybe showing some flexibility helps Ukraine regain some favour with Trump (once again).
My guess is that this is what it is. He probably knows that Putin wouldn't go for it anyway, so is using it as an oppurtunity to curry favour with Trump a bit.
 
I read Zelensky is now open to a peace treaty along current war lines. I'm not sure what that helps, cause he doesn't want to fully cede those territories and Russia hasn't seemed interested in any compromise on their objectives. But maybe showing some flexibility helps Ukraine regain some favour with Trump (once again).
Its a bluff , Putin will never accept it because Ukraine also holds some territory in Kursk. So its safe for him to "agree" with such a proposal and show that Ukraine would like to cooperate.
 
Its a bluff , Putin will never accept it because Ukraine also holds some territory in Kursk. So its safe for him to "agree" with such a proposal and show that Ukraine would like to cooperate.
Do they still? I thought Russia had regained all that Kursk territory by now.
 
Do they still? I thought Russia had regained all that Kursk territory by now.
Despite Russian claims, it was the governer (or whatever his title is) of Kursk region complaining to Putin recently that Ukraine still has control over some settlements. Which got him reprimanded.
 
Despite Russian claims, it was the governer (or whatever his title is) of Kursk region complaining to Putin recently that Ukraine still has control over some settlements. Which got him reprimanded.
Ah okay. Embarrassing. :)
 
Package 19 approved.

EU countries approved a 19th package of sanctions against Russia for its war against Ukraine, which includes a ban on Russian liquefied natural gas imports, the Danish rotating presidency of the EU said on Wednesday.
The new package also adds new travel restrictions on Russian diplomats and lists 117 more vessels from Moscow's shadow fleet, mostly tankers, bringing the total to 558.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ssian-sanctions-including-lng-ban-2025-10-22/
 
"Huge" US sanctions on Russia just announced. Whatever that actually entails have not been provided.

Eh, moderately good news given the administration.
 
"Huge" US sanctions on Russia just announced. Whatever that actually entails have not been provided.

Eh, moderately good news given the administration.
Here it is.

The Treasury Department blacklisted state-run oil giant Rosneft PJSC and Lukoil PJSC because of “Russia’s lack of serious commitment to a peace process to end the war in Ukraine,” according to a statement Wednesday. It said the move will degrade Russia’s ability to raise revenue for its war machine.

 
There have been US sanctions against these companies since 2014, so not sure what these add yet.
 
Despite Russian claims, it was the governer (or whatever his title is) of Kursk region complaining to Putin recently that Ukraine still has control over some settlements. Which got him reprimanded.
Any source to that? I haven't heard anything of the sort and struggle to find anything now. Sounds unrealistic (not to say that it can't be true).
 
Any source to that? I haven't heard anything of the sort and struggle to find anything now. Sounds unrealistic (not to say that it can't be true).
It wasn't in English, struggling to find it myself now. Might be nonsense.
 
It wasn't in English, struggling to find it myself now. Might be nonsense.
I think so. It would’ve been bigger news (and findable), I’ve searched in Russian as well.

They’ve obviously announced the news of “liberation” of Kurskaya oblast prematurely, as one does, but it was by days or, maximum, weeks. And it was last spring, I believe? So no, Ukraine doesn’t hold anything there, especially nothing valuable enough to make any difference in negotiations.
 
Unfortunately this war also includes Ukrainians being forced to fight against Ukraine.

Fighting their own country: Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have been forcibly conscripted by Russia
Moscow is pursuing a policy of forced Russification and militarization in occupied territories, aiming to turn the local population into soldiers. These Ukrainians account for one quarter of the prisoners of war held by Kyiv, Le Monde reveals.
"I didn't want to; I waited a long time for you to come and liberate us. But in the end, I was forced into it," the soldier replied. "He told me he had no choice, that it was either that or death,"
"One of them told me: 'Look at these men, none of us wanted to become a Russian soldier. But if we had refused, we would have been sent to prison as spies.' And in prison, you are tortured, even killed," Lubinets said.
There have already been reports of Ukrainian children being integrated into the Russian army. Others who were minors at the time of the invasion have since reached conscription age.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internati...y-conscripted-by-russia-s-army_6746688_4.html
 
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In other news, former russian athlete Tikhonov now wants to nuke Finland, over nation getting banned from, yes, some sport competition.

Don't want to paint everyone with the same brush, but, something can't be right with the mentality of the average russian either, it goes deeper than just Kremlin being bad.
 
In other news, former russian athlete Tikhonov now wants to nuke Finland, over nation getting banned from, yes, some sport competition.

Don't want to paint everyone with the same brush, but, something can't be right with the mentality of the average russian either, it goes deeper than just Kremlin being bad.

Ultra-masculinity and ultra-nationalism is a deadly combo.

You insult me I break your legs and murder your family type of shit.
 
Ultra-masculinity and ultra-nationalism is a deadly combo.

You insult me I break your legs and murder your family type of shit.
I suppose knowing how pathetic the rest of us find that just helps feed the cycle too.
 
^ If you take the 140,000 figure it's about:
  • 737 killed per week.
  • 104 killed per day.
Period: 24 Feb 2022 - 22 Oct 2025. And that's the low side of the bandwidth. Mediazona has the total amount of killed based on statistical estimates at 219,000.
 
This Sky report shows how a wounded Ukrainian soldier is evacuated with a ground drone. Very tense.

 
In other news, former russian athlete Tikhonov now wants to nuke Finland, over nation getting banned from, yes, some sport competition.

Don't want to paint everyone with the same brush, but, something can't be right with the mentality of the average russian either, it goes deeper than just Kremlin being bad.
Former athletes in Russia are hardly average Russians. Usually they’d retire and proceed with an administrative/political career as since USSR there’s been a direct funnel from sport into politics — a popular and, ideally, dim and uneducated hero is well-known and well-loved by the public and is easily controllable by the party. Especially if it’s a less popular sport and he doesn’t have a lot of options. Tikhonov also went into politics even though he had to take a break after hiring a hit man to eliminate his opponent (and getting caught).

Generally former athletes are often just about the most blood-thirsty and unhinged political speakers in Russia. Plus if it’s sports related, it’s twice as effective (they love jumping on the boring “sport is non-political”, “what about U.S., Israel”, “Western hypocrisy” etc. train).
 
UN report accuses Russia of war crimes in drone warfare and forcible transfer of civilians
A new report from the United Nations accuses Russia of committing crimes against humanity by attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure with drones, as well as committing war crimes through the forcible transfer of people.
More than 200 civilians have been killed in the southern Ukrainian regions of Dnipropetrovsk, Kherson and Mykolaiv since July 2024, the report says, citing local authorities. Over 2,000 civilians were injured in these areas in the same time frame, it says.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/27/europe/russia-war-crimes-un-report-drone-latam-intl
 
Ultra-masculinity and ultra-nationalism is a deadly combo.

You insult me I break your legs and murder your family type of shit.

Even a hero like Fedor Emilianenko, he speaks out against child fight clubs and a group puts his young daughter in the hospital.
 
Even a hero like Fedor Emilianenko, he speaks out against child fight clubs and a group puts his young daughter in the hospital.
A hero? Especially in the context of this thread…