Ruthless Strategy - 10 out, 10 in.

[Alvaro Maestre]

Rojo gone? Last time I heard he was in Ole plans .

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I think there's an argument to be had that the players not on that list, Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku, Fred, etc, are a bigger problem, because they are consistently not performing.

We can't sell everyone of course, but fact is that when you reach a stage where you're not bothered if any player is sold this summer you know you're in trouble.

I'd predict 4-5 out, 3-4 in, maximum.

 

[breakout67]

The players who are finished are the problem.

Martial and Lingard are far from finished, just nowhere near good enough. Rashford not finished either, just overrated. Jones and Smalling are in their prime, we renewed both so they are apparently what we want in defence.

The only finished player that is a problem is Young. Sanchez, Mata and Valenica barely even play.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

10 to go: Pogba, Lukaku, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez, Young, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Valencia,

feck knows who we'd manage to bring in, it just feels soul destroying at the moment. What decent player would choose United at the moment?

 

[bosnian_red]

There's no quick fix here. It's a total rebuild that will take years (and probably 2-3 managers).

There is no rebuild that takes multiple managers and more then 3 years really. It's just a matter of getting the manager right and the players right. I have faith in Ole, and I think we'll definitely improve and be on the right track. Will it be enough to win the league and CL? We'll see. Probably not the CL, possibly the league if we do the right things.

Just look at Liverpool at the start of the 15/16 season. Sacked Brendon Rodgers after a few months and had a really mediocre squad with a couple of good players. A lot of changes are needed like they needed, but it doesn't take thaaat long really.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Sounds like a porn title.

 

[VP89]

Sounds like a porn title.

 

[Patrick08]

Martial and Lingard are far from finished, just nowhere near good enough. Rashford not finished either, just overrated. Jones and Smalling are in their prime, we renewed both so they are apparently what we want in defence.

The only finished player that is a problem is Young. Sanchez, Mata and Valenica barely even play.

I mean the likes of Darmian Rojo, Valencia, young, mata, matic,

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

World class players with an average manager is not much better than a top manager with average players. We need a top coach that is as good as the ones that manage the teams we aspire to better.

Of course it is. I've seen managers that nobody thought were good enough to do things with their club even if it's short term

 

[ravi2]

The squad management this summer will dictate how much time supporters give Ole. Mata, Herrera, Valencia and Darmian look as good as gone. Sanchez, Rojo and Lukaku will be difficult to shift. Providing the money is right De Gea and Pogba should be given the choice. Bailly should be easy to sell.

Player's I'm content with keeping:

De Gea
Romero

Dalot - squad player/potential
Shaw - starter
Smalling - potential starter with new CB
Lindelof - potential starter with new CB
Jones - backup

Fred - potential starter
McTominay - squad player/potential
Lingard - squad player
Pogba - starter
Matic - backup

Rashford - starter
Martial - squad/potential starter


De Gea
New RB - New CB - Smalling/Lindelof - Shaw
New CM - Fred - Pogba
New RW - New ST - Martial/Rashford

agree with all of this, but Lukaku still has value and he can be shifted and lets get a real ST in.
Another season like this and his value will seriously drop, we should sell now.

 

[el3mel]

In any underperforming business, to put an end to complacency, rot needs to be cut out. Ruthless changes are needed with no empathy. United needs to operate in the same manner this summer.

I feel that 3/4 new signings would be like putting a sticky plaster on a broken leg. A complete overhaul is needed. It will take time for the new team to gel, but surely that would be better than watching the current lot plod about the pitch.


Young - kicked out the door, contract terminated, locked away in a dark room. Whatever it takes to get him out.

Jones - please go away. He’s been here far too long.

Herrera - his head was turned by money offered by PSG, so good riddance.

Mata - released to any takers. The 3 amigos out the door in one summer. Take his contract offer off the table.

Sanchez - offload him if possible. May need to subsidise his wages. Fingers crossed China can help us out.

Lingard - isn’t good enough for United, I don’t care if he’s an academy product. Man United players need to be able to score and assist goals.

Darmian - I don’t think anyone knows where he is anyway, so just keep ignoring him and hope he goes away.

Valencia - thankfully halfway out the door anyway. Shins around the country will no longer get bruised.

Rojo - bye.

De Gea - I never thought I would ever say this but if he really wants to go, sell him. Go and pay Oblak’s release clause


That’s 10 outgoing players that will need to be replaced with 8/9/10 new players. If this isn’t done, average players will remain at the club. Anything else will be a half-job.

Who am I missing?

Meet you next year when all bar Herrera and Valencia out of this list are still stealing their living here.

 

[breakout67]

I mean the likes of Darmian Rojo, Valencia, young, mata, matic,

We played hard ball in selling Darmian, gave Rojo a 3 year extension, gave Young an extension and offered Mata an extension. Woodward must be building a tree house from all that dead wood.

 

[Patrick08]

We played hard ball in selling Darmian, gave Rojo a 3 year extension, gave Young an extension and offered Mata an extension. Woodward must be building a tree house from all that dead wood.

While struggling to extend Herrera and de gea and now this form and mentality is costing us big time.

 

[thejtrain]

Sounds like a porn title.

I don't know why, but I had a good laugh reading this thread.

That said, every single one in the OP needs to go. And if DDG wants to leave, fine too. Oh, and Martial either improves greatly, or be a sub, and leaves in a season or two. He's been here for years now, and promise isn't enough.

 

[WR10]

What does it matter?
Ed has spent 806 millon pounds since SAF has left and we're still here.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

The thought of getting rid of 10 players is more exciting than the thought of buying 10 new players

I feel exactly this way! I'd rather we were short of options and forced to play youth roulette. Better that than a sure shit thing!

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

I would sell everyone except...
Shaw - competing LB
Lindelof - backup CB
Smalling - backup CB
Dalot - competing RB
Youth...give them a chance

Pretty much anyone else is fair game
Frees - Mata, Herrera (unless sensible contract), Valencia, Young (to anyone who will take him, or somehow retract his contract offer or make him a mascot or something), Sanchez (and probably a pay off)
Cheap sell - Rojo, Darmian, Matic, Jones, Romero (give Henderson a chance as backup)
Mid sell - McTominay (keep/ sell not too fussed, some glimpses of something about him, but for £30m+ would prob sell. Fred - £35m+ worth considering offers. Lingard - £35m consider, Smalling £35m+ worth considering.
High sell - De Gea £120m+, Pogba £130m+ Rashford £120m+, Martial £100m+

I genuinely think there is a bad attitude with poor leadership. Some say gradual change is better, but that's the case with a winning side. Keeping the rot will just damage the impact of new players. Better to clear out and try again. I genuinely think that would create better long term value.

 

[Devils11]

10 out : Pogba, Sanchez, De Gea, Mata, Herrera, Matic, Young, Rojo, Damien, Valencia.
10 in (local version) : Fraser, Brooks, Grealish, Neves, Loftus Cheek, Rice, Coleman, Sessegnon, Alderweireld, Issa Diop.
line-up :
Gk-Henderson (Romero)
RB-Coleman (Tuanzebe)
LB-Shaw (Sessegnon)
CB-Toby (Lindelof)
CB-Diop(Smalling)
DM-Neves(Rice)
CM-Cheek(McTom)
AM-Grealish(Brooks)
LW-Rashford(Martial)
RW-Fraser(Lingard)
ST-Lukaku(Greenwood)

 

[Frank Grimes]

Out:

Darmian
Rojo
Young
Jones
Herrera
Mata
Martial
Lingard

And if Pogba wants out off he can go too.

In: Alderweireld
Maguire
Wan- Bissaka
Lozano
Fekir
Rice

 

[fallengt]

Realistically, we'll sign 3 sell 2 and give Rojo new contract.
I can feel it's coming.

 

[Wolvereen]

For me, we need to trim this team down considerably before even thinking of adding players in the summer. We currently field too many players that are a) not good enough b) don't fit the direction and/or style we want to play c) possess the wrong attitude. Unfortunately a ton of players currently fall under these parameters.

Out:

David De Gea: increasingly more and more mistakes and his favorite amigos will be moving on. Can't see how he realistically remains happy. Also he is crap with his distribution. I don't feel like we can replace his shot-stopping ability because I think he's the best in the world for that, but I do believe we can improve in acquiring an overall better GK arguably in Oblak

Ashley Young: no explanation needed

Matteo Darmian: do we actually even know his whereabouts at the moment?

Phil Jones: for me, him along with Ashley Young are the first names on the list that must go. He is synonymous with the joke of a club we've become

Marcos Rojo: not good enough

Eric Bailly: pains me to say this because he showed a lot of promise but I fear he's not consistent enough and gets injured way too much

Paul Pogba: the English media will never warm to him. Our fanbase will never collectively warm to him. He's entering him prime years while we might be going into another Europa League season. Real Madrid want him. He wants Real Madrid. His heart isn't all the way in it. Get rid and use the funds to balance out the squad with the RIGHT signings much in the same vein as Liverpool did with the Suarez and Coutinho sales

Nemanja Matic: no longer fits the profile of player we should still be harboring at this club. Not good enough and old

Ander Herrera: appreciate his heart and desire, but feel like we can acquire more quality at his position. He isn't a regular Spanish international and wouldn't start for any other top club in the world. Not good enough

Alexis Sanchez: his contract has added to the turmoil and his play doesn't warrant the wages. Must get rid by any means necessary

Anthony Martial: for me he doesn't possess the right attitude and fight. Talented player on his day, which is consistently too inconsistent. Another player who we think is world class potential, but wouldn't walk into any other of the top teams. Not even sure if he's amongst France's best option at the LW. He may be comfortably 4th or 5th best there too

Romelu Lukaku: not good enough. Not even close. Lukaku is the type of player whose ceiling appears to be an 8/10 at best and he most usually will put up a 6/10 or worse. Not good enough

Jesse Lingard: not even sure if he's good enough to be a squad player. Teams like City bring players like Bernardo and Sane off the bench. We bring on Jesse Lingard who I can't confidently say would still be here had he not been English and an academy player

Juan Mata: no longer fits our playing style or the demands of the fast-paced Premier League

 

[The Nani]

The really depressing thing is that if we did indeed get rid of the right ten players we'd only need to bring five in to replace them.

Valencia
Young
Bailly
Rojo
Darmian
Matic
Herrera
Mata
Lingard
Lukaku

Of those ten only Young, Matic, Herrera, Mata, Lingard and Lukaku have been playing with any regularity. And the only significant and consistent positive contribution of those has been Herrera.

Meunier
Alderweireld
Bruno Fernandes
Sancho
Jovic/Felix

That would be a significant improvement in the first XI and put players like Rashford and McTominay in a position to play in situations that set them up for success and progression.

Never mind the fact that I can't for the life of me say that any of the ten above save Herrera are better options that Greenwood, Gomes, Garner, Tuanzebe or O'Connor. That is a stinging indictment of those players as well as a testament to the talent we have coming through.

It's time for a clearout, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Suedesi]

It will be 3 or 4 in and about the same out. These massive clearouts never happen.

Most of the starting XI next season will be the same players.

Ain’t that the truth. Woodward is turning me off Man United.

 

[SungSam7]

If we have any hope in this next window, we need to be signing players now! Bayern Munich basically robbed 2 of Dortmunds best players before the season had even ended 1 year after another. None of this United tax nonsense, City basically got B.Silva at a bargain price even with an unlimited bank account.
What are our scouts doing or what tasks have they been put on the past few years? How has Dortmund managed to find gems time and time again ready to make the step up?

We can no longer go on with buying big names for big money, we have to go back to the days of pushing for players with promising futures like we did before! Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson(He turned out to be a flop but he was highly regarded when we bought him).

The club needs to be fighting for players like De Ligt, Sancho, Kean. Players who are young and hungry and won't cost us a fortune on wages initially. De Ligt will probs my sign for Barcelona and we won't even come close to signing Sancho because we have this love affair with Bale.

Sanchez has to go, his wages are unsettling the current players who are have a year or so on their contracts, as long as he's there, he will be used as a bargaining chip against the club.

We have to find a leader, he doesn't have to be world class, he just needs to be fight for his players and pull us through shit patches. Christ someone with balls, you may all call Troy Deeney a thug or so and a bit simple but he has balls. Ashley Young just shouts a lot, be can't even pass a ball without booting it like we are 2011 Stoke City.

The valuation for Koulibaly is a bit to much for my liking and if he's a target, does he fit the criteria of what we need. I don't watch Napoli so I can't tell how he plays, can he actually play ball or is he an expensive Chris Smalling?

Genuine targets that OGS needs to look at are areas that stop Lingard, Smalling, Jones and Young from starting. On top of that, we need an upgrade on Lukaku! He's just good enough, Rashford is not good enough, his touch when a ball comes at him while on the run let's him down too many times.

We also need a good midfielder, this is probably where we need a leader, Pogba is not a leader and as long as we don't have a player to keep him in check, then we are screwed once the going gets tough. Pogba has time and time again just given up when he's fed up. He wouldn't do it if Roy Keane was there and Keane would bring the best out of him.

This summer is make or break for the club, we either get a future plan down now and back OGS or we will spend the next decade being what Liverpool have for nearly 30 years!

 

[JEredDevil]

In order that we definitely have to get rid of, barring Herrera and Valencia who looks 100% to be gone,
1. Young - Way way way way way past his prime. Would be good for MLS or China.
2. Darmian - Hasnt featured much this season. There could be underlying issues considering we are starting Young instead of an Italian defender.
3. Sanchez - Wages too high that screwed up the whole system. Wouldnt mind keeping him if he would take a huge pay cut.
4. Rojo - At best a 3rd choice back up. But too rash to be one.
5. Smalling/Jones - Either one has to go. And the one that stays can stay on the bench.
6. Mata - Pity him actually, could have been a chelsea legend. Always played out of position.
7. Matic - Too slow for Ole's style of football.
8. Pereira - Has been given too many chances but seems to be at best a 3rd choice for his position.
9. De Gea - If he doesnt want to stay, then theres not point in keeping him
10. Pogba - Too inconsistent to be worth that price and needs good players around him for him to perform. Can consider selling for >120million

Ins:
1. Kante - DM
2. Wan-Bissaka - RB
3. Alderwierd - CB
4. Sancho - RW
5. Neves - CM
6. Alaba - LB
7. A striker that Rashford can learn from
8. Saul - CM
9. Hudson Odoi - RW
10. Oblak - GK

 

[Jibbs]

My ins and outs will be:

Outs:
De Gea --- for asking too much and putting the club at ransom.
Darmian
Valencia
Young --- Don't want him near the club after today's shitshow.
Bailly
Herrera
Matic
Pogba
Mata
Sanchez
Lukaku

My Ins will be:
Romero / Henderson
Wan-Bissaka
De ligt / Umititi / Varane
Manolas
Sassegnon
Van de Beek / Rice
Bruno / Neves
Eriksen
Sancho / Pepe
Felix / Lozano
Moussa Dembélé / Timo Werner

 

[WPMUFC]

The only path MUFC have now they've gone all in on Ole so quickly is to basically rebuild completely...AGAIN.

That means

1. Suffering lower transfer fees to ship out dead-wood
2. Paying stupid fees to buy players
3. eating wages (even paying part wages) to get high-earners off the wage sheet
4. Paying stupid wages to get the players in.
5. Selling dead-wood that we gave contracts to last year and eating losses.
6. Buying players that are quality in their roles beyond age or name recognition.

From a "whole squad" perspective, i can genuinely see MUFC needing to buy 10 players in one window for a "ole revolution" or whatever that means.

Essentially, Ole needs to put up a handful of names on a whiteboard that are "must keep" and just stomach the harsh reality that Young / Jones / Smalling / Mctominay / Matic / Herrera / Sanchez / Rojo / Darmian etc etc etc are either must sells or not worth the wage demands. Secondly, this also means that woodward can't make every signing a "galactico" signing. We will NEVER achieve 10 galactico signings in one window. They need to take their time and make it right. Don't just buy every player that fans like because they got them to 90+ rating on fifa.

The mentality of quick decision making and not rocking the boat have got to end. If the Jose meltdown was going to offer any positive, it should've been that the hard and gut wrenching decisions must be taken now. If woodward feels awkward offering smalling a contact last season yet Ole wants him gone, they put that awkwardness aside. If you can't then he's not the right man for the job.

 

[red_de_pologne]

“But, as I said, we’ve got a rebuilding job but it starts with the coaches and players, and with one or two additions.”

- Ole yesterday.

10 in

 

[WPMUFC]

“But, as I said, we’ve got a rebuilding job but it starts with the coaches and players, and with one or two additions.”

- Ole yesterday.

10 in

Which is exactly how we'll continue to languish in 4th-6th. If ole genuinely believes we only need to replace 1 or 2 which assumes 1 is likely herrera leaving. Then we genuinely have to worry about him as a manager. If he can't see a club with a fundamental rot in personnel, then why have we hired him?

 

[Okey]

This is exatly what we need. A ruthless strategy. Build a new team. We have the money don't we? And we'll raise a fair bit from moving the dross on. Why we still don't have a DoF is baffling. Makes one suspect we're about to foul it up again by playing safe and expecting miracles...

 

[WPMUFC]

Dare i say it, we need to become "american" in how we ship out players. A 30 million signing not working after 2 seasons? fine, cya later, we'll sell you for 6 million to leeds or norwich etc etc.

We don't need to renew their contracts for transfer "safety", we need to amputate the gangrene before we get septic shock.

 

[ErranMorad]

No way the club is going to be ruthless like we all want.

In order to improve we need to get rid of:

- Valencia
- Mata
- Darmian
- Young
- Bailly
- Rojo
- Matic
- Sanchez
- Lukaku

Then we need to replace them with quality additions, while relegating the likes of Lingard, Herrera, Lindelof, Jones to bench options.

What will do is get rid of only:

- Valencia
- Darmian

Give new big money and decent length contracts to Mata and Herrera. Pay Rashford money equivalent to a top attacker at another club. Sign De Gea and Pogba to new mind boggling deals. Sign a RB and may be another midfielder.

 

[devilish]

OUT

Darmian
Valencia
Rojo
Young
Bailly
Mata
Lingard
Sanchez

 

[Ban]

It sounds like a fairytale and it's exactly that, a fairytale.. 2 guys who should leave got new contracts and 3rd was offered one.

 

[Chuck_B]

In any underperforming business, to put an end to complacency, rot needs to be cut out. Ruthless changes are needed with no empathy. United needs to operate in the same manner this summer.

I feel that 3/4 new signings would be like putting a sticky plaster on a broken leg. A complete overhaul is needed. It will take time for the new team to gel, but surely that would be better than watching the current lot plod about the pitch.


Young - kicked out the door, contract terminated, locked away in a dark room. Whatever it takes to get him out.

Jones - please go away. He’s been here far too long.

Herrera - his head was turned by money offered by PSG, so good riddance.

Mata - released to any takers. The 3 amigos out the door in one summer. Take his contract offer off the table.

Sanchez - offload him if possible. May need to subsidise his wages. Fingers crossed China can help us out.

Lingard - isn’t good enough for United, I don’t care if he’s an academy product. Man United players need to be able to score and assist goals.

Darmian - I don’t think anyone knows where he is anyway, so just keep ignoring him and hope he goes away.

Valencia - thankfully halfway out the door anyway. Shins around the country will no longer get bruised.

Rojo - bye.

De Gea - I never thought I would ever say this but if he really wants to go, sell him. Go and pay Oblak’s release clause


That’s 10 outgoing players that will need to be replaced with 8/9/10 new players. If this isn’t done, average players will remain at the club. Anything else will be a half-job.

Who am I missing?

Martial? Matic? You need squad players too i know, but Martial is over rated an has offered feck all for a long time now. I agree with you on all of the above with the exception of De Gea. He's having a bad season. However, it would be a big mistake i feel to try and offload him in the summer. He's saved our skin more times than I care to remember over the years. Would you take £150 mill for Pogba in the summer?

 

[Mcking]

Of course it is. I've seen managers that nobody thought were good enough to do things with their club even if it's short term

I have also seen players that nobody thought were really good improve vastly under top managers. Obviously top class players could get themselves over the line at times, but with a manager that is out of his depth, the team would be inconsistent at best.

 

[buckooo1978]

10 out...I can do 11

Darmian
Rojo
Young (just retire him)
Jones (hoping we extended to sell)
Pereira (Garner can provide backup)
Fred (never a 50m player, chaotic player at times lacking control - if we got 30 back I'd take it)
Lukaku (not enough technical ability)
Valencia
Herrera
Matic
Sanchez

we could really freshen up the squad with a combination of youth team players and signings

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Would make no difference. The players have no direction or identity, our brand has an identity not the football club.

 

[Enigma_87]

Bit of a knee jerk thread. When was the last time a top club signed 10 players, let alone dismiss 10 in the process?

What did people expect yesterday, to beat Barca at Nou Camp?

They've brought in Vidal and Dembele and had Umtiti and Malcom on the bench.. We're very far off that level and in retrospect lucky to even take part in the QF's.

 

[Sanche7]

Bit of a knee jerk thread. When was the last time a top club signed 10 players, let alone dismiss 10 in the process?

What did people expect yesterday, to beat Barca at Nou Camp?

They've brought in Vidal and Dembele and had Umtiti and Malcom on the bench.. We're very far off that level and in retrospect lucky to even take part in the QF's.

It’s not the fact that we were beaten by a squad way better than ours,it’s because of the way we were beaten that people are so pissed. Many of our players don’t seem like they give a damn. We still have players like Ashley Young and Lingard McTominay in our starting 11,who won’t even make the Barca reserves. Not to mention most of our players earn more than world class players in their position
It maybe a knee jerk thread but this is what we need to do, build from the base up, sell everyone who is not interested or good enough. We have the money and pull, not as much as we used to but if this trend continues, we will find it extremely hard to find any quality player