Veron was itching for a move. Its was all of his and his agents doing,as his agent was shopping Veron around Europe when we were in the US.
First of all, this is what I said: "Ruud needs someone who can provide him the service to perform at best"
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Nice. Another newbie with poor quality of control post. If you got nothing to say, don't just make plain pointless post.
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
Good point.
Think this far oversimplifies it and ignores how many goals he scored in big games. His CL record with us was incredible. He also scored 33 goals taking Madrid to the title his first season there.
Ruud was widely known as a poacher, even labelled a tap in artist at times, which would seem to contradict that he needed the likes of Becks to be at his best. Just look at his Fulham and Arsenal goals. All created by his own play. Did he leverage great crossing ? Of course. Would he be a lesser player without it ? Absolutely not, given that he was dropping big numbers at PSV as well as his early Madrid career without the help of Becks, Scholes, or Giggs.
Om another note, in that first clip, what the bloody hell are Barthez and Brown doing at 1.25! Unbelievable give away.The best finisher I've seen. I still remember his two goals against Deportivo from half chances.
And his improvised toe poke finish against Juventus:
Tried that move all the time in Winning Eleven.
Definitely agree that RvP was more aesthetically pleasing. But if I were given the option between peak Ruud or peak RvP, it would be Ruud all day long. Everytime he got the ball near the box I felt like there was a good chance he might score.
I'm not sure what are you trying to make a point here because calling him to be widely known as a poacher basically strengthen my point that he is more a finisher rather than a complete striker. Thus why he's not our best striker, he's our best finisher.
I think he was a complete striker - he scored from virtually every position on the pitch including runs from near the half way line.
Yes because I was contradicting your point. If RVP had lesser players around him then it definitely didn't translate into the goals the team scored or the chances created which were higher than they were in a season when we had better personnel. Because football is funny that way. And there are many factors at play such as how open the games were and how weak opposing defences were. My point is that one has to consider all these factors rather than just a single (either goals or quality of supporting cast) one.
Given Saha barely managed 25 games a season with us, I find it hard to believe we wouldn't have been better with Ruud AND and maturing Ronaldo and Rooney. We'll never know, but the team getting better certainly wasn't just down to Ruud leaving.
In 433? No way. Cantona needed a partner up there to feed balls to. And wasn't the type to make lung busting runs into the middle for a cross.
I never say he's a limited striker, I only said RVP is more complete one than Ruud. He is well known as poacher because that's the role to get the best out of him, it doesn't mean he can't be all round striker but that's not going to make him playing at his best. You should know the reason why he's complaining about playing with someone like Cristiano's style.
You are mentioning about considering all the factors and yet you don't even consider how both players play and how to make them produce top or world class performance in a season.
Ruud scored 44 goals in 2002-03 season ffs. No way RVP would've scored that many. Put Ruud in 2012-13 season, he may not have scored some of the goals that RVP scored, but hell he'd have been at the end of every loose ball and around as many goals as RVP scored that season.
That's more of a traditional where manager often played 422 back in the day. Surely in 433, you want more of a all round striker like Cantona. Especially if your wide attackers are Ronaldo & Best, I wouldn't even dare to put Ruud with the other two together.
Ruud scored 25 league goals while RVP scored 26 league goals in those season. You are ignoring it just because the other scored more in other competition.
Great as all three are, I think Fergie saw Saha as being a better foil for those two and took that punt given Saha's link up play and speed.
If you want to go to that level of detail then RVP played 38 games, RVN- 34. No one's doubting RVP's ability (he was better in certain tings, and no one is denying that), but if you want to compare goalscoring Ruud wins every single time.
Don't agree with that. Our team clearly aged during that period and the depth we had were of a lower quality. Due to the increased age we also had more injuries. We started having the like of Bellion and Djemba Djemba behind him. Beckham left, Keane was aging. Giggs was not as dynamic as he was prior. Scholes was the only one who maintained his level. Added to that, our defence got a lot worse as we lost Irwin and took time replacing Stam and finding a capable partner for Rio. Rooney and Ronaldo then had initial growing pains and Saha could not stay consistently fit.
Was Cantona really a striker? I see him as an attacking midfielder.
Well done, the newbie treatment. How possibly can a newbie have any football intelligence. In actual fact I just couldn’t be bothered getting into a war of words with someone who feels the need to bold and exclaim.
