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We're only talking about individual seasons, and in that season he didn't make any impact on the CL. And the quality of the rest of the side isn't what made him miss a bunch of good chances across two legs against Madrid, one of which was an absolute sitter.

He was our best player in the first leg at the Bernabeu. Created the best chance for Welbeck and had a shot that hit the post. Throughout the night his hold-up play was the only thing that allowed us to attack. The sitter came off a high ball which he had to control and quickly release the shot. He should have finished it but its hardly criminal. And he didn't even miss a bunch of chances. That's hyperbole at best.
 

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He was our last great superstar. His 1 sensational season was as good as any we've had from any past player.

Hopefully Bruno can become the player we hope he will, where we'll finally have a superstar again in the team. No pressure!
 

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You know he was amazing because after so many years at Arsenal he still became a cult hero here in so little time.

My only wish is that we’d gotten him earlier.
They still love him at Arsenal too, which says a lot.
 

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Might sound like a weird thing to say but I don’t think I’ve fallen in love with a footballer as quickly as I did than with RVP. I always admired him when he was at Arsenal but obviously didn’t have that much affinity for him while he was in a rivals shirt. But when he joined, I was completely blown away by him and even to this day, looking at his highlights reel, he was an absolute monster for us. What I would’ve done to have got him 5 years earlier, I reckon there would’ve been another Champions League trophy in our cabinet had we got him earlier.
 

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It's actually bonkers the disregard for Yorke's treble campaign. I can only assume it's so long ago, most who saw it don't post in threads like this. Yorke was ballon d'or level; a match for *all* defenders and defensive units in Europe; doing it against the best their was, all season long.

I don't want to detract from RVP as his was league-claiming season, but there's a difference between that, and being one of, if not the best forward on a whole continent, which RVP did not manage, as noted by his CL campaign that season - he also had a 10-game barren run.

RVN is getting short shrift, too, his best was phenomenal for us, but obviously not with a litany of iconic goals like RVP, which makes his work look less spectacular.

Again, RVP should rightly be written into the annuls of time as the key component in our 20th title, but Yorke was a star performer in a treble-winning side who ran rampant through Europe, scored against the best side of the era and was part and parcel of one of the greatest CL draws ever seen.
 

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It's surprising how much he seem to love his time at United too.
He would never admit it but you can see that if he could he would change it so that he was here for the majority of his career instead of Arsenal.

No disrespect to Arsenal. You could just see he was genuinely in awe of Fergie and desperate to play for him, he looked devastated when SAF retired so soon after he arrived.

He was made to play for SAF and United in my opinion.
 

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It's actually bonkers the disregard for Yorke's treble campaign. I can only assume it's so long ago, most who saw it don't post in threads like this. Yorke was ballon d'or level; a match for *all* defenders and defensive units in Europe; doing it against the best their was, all season long.

I don't want to detract from RVP as his was league-claiming season, but there's a difference between that, and being one of, if not the best forward on a whole continent, which RVP did not manage, as noted by his CL campaign that season - he also had a 10-game barren run.

RVN is getting short shrift, too, his best was phenomenal for us, but obviously not with a litany of iconic goals like RVP, which makes his work look less spectacular.

Again, RVP should rightly be written into the annuls of time as the key component in our 20th title, but Yorke was a star performer in a treble-winning side who ran rampant through Europe, scored against the best side of the era and was part and parcel of one of the greatest CL draws ever seen.
Yorke had 3 players as his partners as good as him. He also had a team that was much better than the team RVP played. RVP almost single handedly won is the PL. RVP had Welbeck playing with him. No disrespect to Yorkie but RVP was better than him.
 

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Yorke had 3 players as his partners as good as him. He also had a team that was much better than the team RVP played. RVP almost single handedly won is the PL. RVP had Welbeck playing with him. No disrespect to Yorkie but RVP was better than him.
Yorke was the catalyst amongst our forwards - the others were not his equal that season and there's a reason Cole came alive and formed one of the greatest partnerships we've ever seen in that specific season.

You say no disrespect, but I think you are disregarding his impact and importance to us in our best ever season. Yorke also brought the exact level of quality to Europe - against the very best there was - as he'd shown in domestic competition. In fact, it's not unfair to say he saved his very best for the biggest European nights and games. That cannot be swept under the rug because it was a cornerstone of how we got to the final in the first place.

Further, RVP was, for sure, in a lesser team than Yorke, but unlike Yorke, the whole team was geared towards getting the very best out of RVP, which compromised other players. It doesn't matter in terms of RVP going on to deliver us the 20th title, but Yorke enabled those around him to play better. It's the kind of season that should find a player top end of Ballon d'or rankings - a PL title (alone), is not.
 

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As much as I love him for that season. For some reason I'll always remember him for getting wiped out by Andy Todd after scoring against blackburn.
 

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Yorke had 3 players as his partners as good as him. He also had a team that was much better than the team RVP played. RVP almost single handedly won is the PL. RVP had Welbeck playing with him. No disrespect to Yorkie but RVP was better than him.
The attack that RVP joined had just scored 89 goals (at that time the fourth highest goal tally by any team in a PL season). I'm not gonna claim those players were as good as Beckham, Giggs, and Cole; but they weren't some motley collection of losers that RVP dragged to glory. The myths around our last title win have become utterly ridiculous.
 
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He was our best player in the first leg at the Bernabeu. Created the best chance for Welbeck and had a shot that hit the post. Throughout the night his hold-up play was the only thing that allowed us to attack. The sitter came off a high ball which he had to control and quickly release the shot. He should have finished it but its hardly criminal. And he didn't even miss a bunch of chances. That's hyperbole at best.
So this is how it looks like to have a world class striker on his peak. It looks like He does everything by himself in such a big match.
 

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He was our best player in the first leg at the Bernabeu. Created the best chance for Welbeck and had a shot that hit the post. Throughout the night his hold-up play was the only thing that allowed us to attack. The sitter came off a high ball which he had to control and quickly release the shot. He should have finished it but its hardly criminal. And he didn't even miss a bunch of chances. That's hyperbole at best.
Off topic but man, we should have secured QF in that first leg. One of our best away performances in CL in big games
And i forgot how Welbeck striker without any sense for positioning. I know that he scored a goal in that match but everything else was pretty bad.
 

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The attack that RVP joined had just scored 89 goals (at that time the fourth highest goal tally by any team in a PL season). I'm not gonna claim those players were as good as Beckham, Giggs, and Cole; but they weren't some motley collection of losers that RVP dragged to glory. The myths around our last title win have become utterly ridiculous.
Rooney was good I agree but Welbeck and Valencia?. Anderson and Cleverly in midfield? Surely anyone with any sense would not even compare the team that won the treble to this team that RVP played?
 

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The attack that RVP joined had just scored 89 goals (at that time the fourth highest goal tally by any team in a PL season). I'm not gonna claim those players were as good as Beckham, Giggs, and Cole; but they weren't some motley collection of losers that RVP dragged to glory. The myths around our last title win have become utterly ridiculous.
I will make is simple.
We wouldn't have won the league that year if we hadnt signed RVP.
 

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Stuff of legends, he wore no.20 for the sake of title no.20. That's fiction if you said that before he came to us.

Single handedly won us the title, since Ronaldo left us, nobody carried United to the title like he did. A pure joy to watch, considering the team was mediocre that year.

Fast forward to now, It felt like he never left with the emergence of Greenwood. Hope he can replicate RVP, and be a great legend for us..
 

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Fergie said that Wenger told him that he didn’t know how good a player he was getting. We all quickly found that out, what a fecking season he had.

I’d say Carrick was as crucial that season. They were both absolutely incredible in Fergie’s last season.
 

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I will make is simple.
We wouldn't have won the league that year if we hadnt signed RVP.
Yeah, we would have done. City weren’t at the races at all that year. And we definitely would have won it if we’d signed a top midfielder instead of Van Persie.
 

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Yeah, we would have done. City weren’t at the races at all that year. And we definitely would have won it if we’d signed a top midfielder instead of Van Persie.
No we won't. We had Rooney up front and Welbeck and without a top striker we would not have won.
 

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No we won't. We had Rooney up front and Welbeck and without a top striker we would not have won.
Rooney scored more goals in 2011/12 than Van Persie did in 2012/13. And if we don’t win the league in 12/13, who does?
 

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Yeah, we would have done. City weren’t at the races at all that year. And we definitely would have won it if we’d signed a top midfielder instead of Van Persie.
Rooney scored more goals in 2011/12 than Van Persie did in 2012/13. And if we don’t win the league in 12/13, who does?
You forgot the reason why We were so ahead of City by the end of season was also because of Van Persie. They simply accepted They couldn't catch us. On the derby Van Persie scored the freekick and everyone was talking (including Mancini, iirc) about how Van Persie was the difference between us and them. He was our talisman that season. Not mentioning all the contributions He did in tight matches, be it goals, assists or his great link up plays. He lifted the whole team up and the effect cannot be underestimated. After mid season it was obvious We were going to win the league. If We only had Rooney and Welbeck, such thing would have never happened.
 

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If We only had Rooney and Welbeck, such thing would have never happened.
We had Rooney, Welbeck, and Chicharito, who had just scored 58 goals between them in the previous season. It obviously would have been a very different season without RVP, but we'd have still put out a side which would have had the quality to get over 80 points (as we had for the previous seven years), which almost certainly would have won us a not especially strong league. Had we bought a top midfielder instead of a new 9, which was what we actually needed, then we would most likely have romped the league to a similar extent. Cleverley/Scholes was far more of a weak link in that starting 11 that Welbeck/Chicharito. Fergie just couldn't resist RVP that cheap, and who can blame him, I guess.

As I said, the myths that have built up around that final title winning side have gotten to a ludicrous level. It was a conscious choice that Fergie made to have our attack that year all about Van Persie's goalscoring, and therefore he did win us the league and that choice was justified, but people need to get it out of their heads that we were a one man team. An obvious comparison would be 2009, where everyone and their dog insisted we'd be shite without Ronaldo. Ronaldo left, and the next year we were only just short of the same level, because Ronaldo's prominence was a choice we'd made, and without him we adjusted and remained a very strong side. Losing Ronaldo made us marginally worse, and gaining RVP made us marginally better. Football, of course, is often a game of margins, but we had that title won in March.
 

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We had Rooney, Welbeck, and Chicharito, who had just scored 58 goals between them in the previous season. It obviously would have been a very different season without RVP, but we'd have still put out a side which would have had the quality to get over 80 points (as we had for the previous seven years), which almost certainly would have won us a not especially strong league. Had we bought a top midfielder instead of a new 9, which was what we actually needed, then we would most likely have romped the league to a similar extent. Cleverley/Scholes was far more of a weak link in that starting 11 that Welbeck/Chicharito. Fergie just couldn't resist RVP that cheap, and who can blame him, I guess.

As I said, the myths that have built up around that final title winning side have gotten to a ludicrous level. It was a conscious choice that Fergie made to have our attack that year all about Van Persie's goalscoring, and therefore he did win us the league and that choice was justified, but people need to get it out of their heads that we were a one man team. An obvious comparison would be 2009, where everyone and their dog insisted we'd be shite without Ronaldo. Ronaldo left, and the next year we were only just short of the same level, because Ronaldo's prominence was a choice we'd made, and without him we adjusted and remained a very strong side. Losing Ronaldo made us marginally worse, and gaining RVP made us marginally better. Football, of course, is often a game of margins, but we had that title won in March.
You are plainly talking around, what ifs, which is completely baseless and tells us absolutely nothing on why you don’t rate RVP’s first season with us.

We had dramatic late season capitulation in 11/12, the worst in recent memory, with Hernandez scoring the square root of feck all in the final two months, and you think its almost a certainty that we would have won the league with the same personnel in the following season? How are you even so sure? I mean that logic could have been applied to City. Fact is they didn’t even register 80 points but you are so sure we would have did?

There are plenty of players who we could have signed and, theoretically, win us the league. Its like saying if we signed Ronaldinho and Kluivert in 2001 instead of Ruud and we would have won the league every season, instead of one.

Fact of the matter is, RVP came and he delivered the title to us and he was easily our most decisive player. You can argue that we were not a one-man team yada yada, its just a figure of speech but not very far from the truth.


Some of the goals include:

Opener, 87th minute equaliser and last minute winner against Southampton away

Winner against Liverpool away

Opener against Arsenal

Winner against West Ham and Reading

Last minute winner against City away :devil:

Equaliser against Newcastle

Opener against Liverpool at Home

Hat-trick against Villa to seal the title

And its not like he was stat padding against minnows. All these games we were in trouble of slipping away. And we haven’t even talk about the 15 assists he provided.
 
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His goal vs West Ham is my favourite United goal ever
The one in the last minute with that long range pass from Giggs? It was a fantastic ball, incredible first touch on the move and the acute finish. Mine was his goal against Reading. Incredible movement and slots it in the keepers near post. Beautiful season. Beautiful player.
 

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You are plainly talking around, what ifs, which is completely baseless and tells us absolutely nothing on why you don’t rate RVP’s first season with us.

We had dramatic late season capitulation in 11/12, the worst in recent memory, with Hernandez scoring the square root of feck all in the final two months, and you think its almost a certainty that we would have won the league with the same personnel in the following season? How are you even so sure? I mean that logic could have been applied to City. Fact is they didn’t even register 80 points but you are so sure we would have did?

There are plenty of players who we could have signed and, theoretically, win us the league. Its like saying if we signed Ronaldinho and Kluivert in 2001 instead of Ruud and we would have won the league every season, instead of one.

Fact of the matter is, RVP came and he delivered the title to us and he was easily our most decisive player. You can argue that we were not a one-man team yada yada, its just a figure of speech but not very far from the truth.


Some of the goals include:

Opener, 87th minute equaliser and last minute winner against Southampton away

Winner against Liverpool away

Opener against Arsenal

Winner against West Ham and Reading

Last minute winner against City away :devil:

Equaliser against Newcastle

Opener against Liverpool at Home

Hat-trick against Villa to seal the title

And its not like he was stat padding against minnows. All these games we were in trouble of slipping away. And we haven’t even talk about the 15 assists he provided.
The hatrick at Southampton was proper 'big time player' performance .
 

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You are plainly talking around, what ifs, which is completely baseless and tells us absolutely nothing on why you don’t rate RVP’s first season with us.

We had dramatic late season capitulation in 11/12, the worst in recent memory, with Hernandez scoring the square root of feck all in the final two months, and you think its almost a certainty that we would have won the league with the same personnel in the following season? How are you even so sure? I mean that logic could have been applied to City. Fact is they didn’t even register 80 points but you are so sure we would have did?

There are plenty of players who we could have signed and, theoretically, win us the league. Its like saying if we signed Ronaldinho and Kluivert in 2001 instead of Ruud and we would have won the league every season, instead of one.

Fact of the matter is, RVP came and he delivered the title to us and he was easily our most decisive player. You can argue that we were not a one-man team yada yada, its just a figure of speech but not very far from the truth.


Some of the goals include:

Opener, 87th minute equaliser and last minute winner against Southampton away

Winner against Liverpool away

Opener against Arsenal

Winner against West Ham and Reading

Last minute winner against City away :devil:

Equaliser against Newcastle

Opener against Liverpool at Home

Hat-trick against Villa to seal the title

And its not like he was stat padding against minnows. All these games we were in trouble of slipping away. And we haven’t even talk about the 15 assists he provided.
Hard to disagree. Usually I wouldn't go along with the notion of a 'one man team' but if there isn't such a thing then RVP is the closest thing to it.
 

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You are plainly talking around, what ifs, which is completely baseless and tells us absolutely nothing on why you don’t rate RVP’s first season with us.
I absolutely do rate RVP's first season with us, literally on the last page I said it was 'one of the four or five great individual seasons for us in the PL years'. It doesn't change the fact that I believe we'd have been better off buying in another position. When we were going into that transfer window absolutely nobody was saying that we needed to buy a striker. Hell, we scored four times in the game that cost us the title.

We had dramatic late season capitulation in 11/12, the worst in recent memory, with Hernandez scoring the square root of feck all in the final two months, and you think its almost a certainty that we would have won the league with the same personnel in the following season? How are you even so sure? I mean that logic could have been applied to City. Fact is they didn’t even register 80 points but you are so sure we would have did?
Hernandez barely played in the last two months of the season, in no way was he what cost us the title. So answer me this, why, after seven consecutive seasons of getting more than 80 points (and following on directly from one where we got 89) would we suddenly drop below that figure? People have bought so hard into this glorious legend of RVP riding in on a white horse and saving us from mediocrity, but fundamentally we barely improved after he signed. And, not unimportantly, we got a lot worse soon after.

I may as well literally say it, seeing as even hinting in this direction draws intense ire: signing Robin Van Persie was a mistake.
 

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Can't believe people are that bored they are trying to start a debate about how RVP was crap.
 

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One of the best individual seasons from a player I've ever seen for us... up there with Ronnie in 08 except Ronnie had a brilliant team around him.

I used to joke at the time it was like we basically had a cheat code to win games. If in doubt, Up Down Left Right A B R V P
 

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Can't believe people are that bored they are trying to start a debate about how RVP was crap.
Actually, He's crap but fundamentally not also. Therefore if We had Chicarito and Welbeck paired together in 2012/2013, Phil Jones would have been the player to receive passes and then when He also defends well and Chicarito scores along with Rooney. So three games in a row, but when you see that we have 30 points and then City had 83, they have now, at that moment 80 points, and we could have been the champion, so what I want to say to you: we were very close! at that time if we didn't have RvP compared to if we did anyway, so We should have been Champions without RvP.
 

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That was a fantastic quote by Rio I agree. I think that year he was the best we have had as a striker. What surprised me was that he could score all kinds of goals and he took the corners too. I am sure he would have scored more if he didn't take the corners. He also did a Bergkamp and did a flick behind and yes the goal came because it got a deflection but his flick around the defender and getting the ball was fantastic.
Against West Ham at OT (1-0). The deflection kind of takes away how brilliant it really was. Almost identical to Bergkamp’s flick.
 

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One of the best individual seasons from a player I've ever seen for us... up there with Ronnie in 08 except Ronnie had a brilliant team around him.

I used to joke at the time it was like we basically had a cheat code to win games. If in doubt, Up Down Left Right A B R V P
He's been great that season, but nowhere near Critistano '08.

RVP had that 7 or 8 matches where he didn't score and others had to bail him, but you'll rarely see that as it won't fit with "he's won the league on his own" narrative being pushed around. Also feel he should've done much better in CL.
 

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Can't believe people are that bored they are trying to start a debate about how RVP was crap.
Literally nobody has said he's crap. Some people have said he was Pele crossed with Jesus (not Navas), others that he failed in Europe and that several other players have had better seasons over the years, and I've said that signing him didn't actually improve us very much and we should have bought a midfielder instead. The latter of which I appreciate is a fringe position.
 

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Imagine if Pogba had played with him instead of the bums that wasted all of his great passing.. :eek:
link up would've been mad
 
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I absolutely do rate RVP's first season with us, literally on the last page I said it was 'one of the four or five great individual seasons for us in the PL years'. It doesn't change the fact that I believe we'd have been better off buying in another position. When we were going into that transfer window absolutely nobody was saying that we needed to buy a striker. Hell, we scored four times in the game that cost us the title.
We were going into the season with Welbeck and Hernandez who’s combined goal tally couldn’t even match the amount RVP scored for Arsenal in the league. Please tell us who was available and would have improved us better than RVP did. I’m waiting.

Hernandez barely played in the last two months of the season, in no way was he what cost us the title. So answer me this, why, after seven consecutive seasons of getting more than 80 points (and following on directly from one where we got 89) would we suddenly drop below that figure? People have bought so hard into this glorious legend of RVP riding in on a white horse and saving us from mediocrity, but fundamentally we barely improved after he signed. And, not unimportantly, we got a lot worse soon after.

I may as well literally say it, seeing as even hinting in this direction draws intense ire: signing Robin Van Persie was a mistake.
I’m not saying he cost us. I’m saying he did not score.

This is not a equation where you take out said player and it still adds up. It is an incredibly simplistic way of looking at things. We went from a decade of dominance to 75 points in 03-04 and 77 in 04-05. It’s call a transition. Go read up on that. That team was the 08 team on it last legs and Fergie wanted to go out with a bang. Without RVP it would not have been possible. It’s not hard to understand.
 

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Literally nobody has said he's crap. Some people have said he was Pele crossed with Jesus (not Navas), others that he failed in Europe and that several other players have had better seasons over the years, and I've said that signing him didn't actually improve us very much and we should have bought a midfielder instead. The latter of which I appreciate is a fringe position.
We brought Kagwa as well as RVP.
Kagwa at the time was one of the best attacking midfielders in Europe.

Who would you have wanted Utd to buy at the time That was getable ?
 

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Our 2011/12 team (no RVP) and our 2012/13 team (with RVP) got the exact same number of points. Obviously this is a little unfair because we won the league early and downed tools in 2013, so let's go from the point at which we won the league one year (and threw it away the other):

11/12


12/13


Two points, which I think is a fair summary of how much Robin Van Persie actually improved us.

Please tell us who was available and would have improved us better than RVP did. I’m waiting.
Who would you have wanted Utd to buy at the time That was getable ?
This team was a long way from desperate for goals, but it was absolutely crying out for a midfielder after Fletcher got sick (we had to drag Paul Scholes out of retirement at 37, if you remember). I'm absolutely certain a good to great CM would have been a much more useful signing than Van Persie.

As for who, there's loads of possibilities. Avoiding fantasies like spotting Kante in Ligue 2 or Casemiro in Brazil, and sticking to players who had been linked to us by that point from lower-profile clubs. Modric, Martinez, and Dembele all moved that summer. Others went on to move soon after, like Herrera, Moutinho, and Eriksen. I dont think signing any of these midfielders in the summer of 2012 is any less likely than snatching Wenger's best player, and any of them would likely have improved us more and stuck around a lot longer.
 

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Our 2011/12 team (no RVP) and our 2012/13 team (with RVP) got the exact same number of points. Obviously this is a little unfair because we won the league early and downed tools in 2013, so let's go from the point at which we won the league one year (and threw it away the other):

11/12


12/13


Two points, which I think is a fair summary of how much Robin Van Persie actually improved us.
Your argument that we would have performed exactly the same, scored equal amount of goals, basically remained competitive, and therefore do not need RVP, absolutely holds no water. This is not FM, this is real life Football Management. It is very rare that you’d see a team play the exact same tactics with the same personnel in multiple years and still remained competitive.

It has always been Fergie’s strategy to make big signing for a forward after a certain period of success. He signed Yorke in 98 after we did the double in 96 and 97. Signed Ruud after our triple PL wins. Signed Berba in 09.

Using league points between seasons as a measure of a forward’s impact is just utterly silly. Have you looked our points before and after Yorke, Cole and Ruud signed? What about Drogba for Chelsea? Or De Bruyne the season City won the league without him playing for most parts?

This team was a long way from desperate for goals, but it was absolutely crying out for a midfielder after Fletcher got sick (we had to drag Paul Scholes out of retirement at 37, if you remember). I'm absolutely certain a good to great CM would have been a much more useful signing than Van Persie.

As for who, there's loads of possibilities. Avoiding fantasies like spotting Kante in Ligue 2 or Casemiro in Brazil, and sticking to players who had been linked to us by that point from lower-profile clubs. Modric, Martinez, and Dembele all moved that summer. Others went on to move soon after, like Herrera, Moutinho, and Eriksen. I dont think signing any of these midfielders in the summer of 2012 is any less likely than snatching Wenger's best player, and any of them would likely have improved us more and stuck around a lot longer.
None of these players with the exception of Martinez (who went for a record transfer) had a great first season, and he is a defensive midfielder for Christ sake. However, you are absolutely certain they would have been a success with us.

What a ridiculous post. Stop playing FM.
 

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Your argument that we would have performed exactly the same, scored equal amount of goals, basically remained competitive, and therefore do not need RVP, absolutely holds no water. This is not FM, this is real life Football Management. It is very rare that you’d see a team play the exact same tactics with the same personnel in multiple years and still remained competitive.

It has always been Fergie’s strategy to make big signing for a forward after a certain period of success. He signed Yorke in 98 after we did the double in 96 and 97. Signed Ruud after our triple PL wins. Signed Berba in 09.

Using league points between seasons as a measure of a forward’s impact is just utterly silly. Have you looked our points before and after Yorke, Cole and Ruud signed? What about Drogba for Chelsea? Or De Bruyne the season City won the league without him playing for most parts?


None of these players with the exception of Martinez (who went for a record transfer) had a great first season, and he is a defensive midfielder for Christ sake. However, you are absolutely certain they would have been a success with us.

What a ridiculous post. Stop playing FM.
Totally agree. It's a silly post.
We signed RVP and Kagwa and won the PL and still you cant please some fans.