RW - Do we need a goalscorer or a creator?

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Mostly a creator. For the goalscoring task we'll need a new CF. Neither Rashford nor Martial are good enough in that respect. And Lukaku is a bit shit at football.
 

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Goalscorer because I dont trust Lukaku, Rashford or Martial to be efficient converters of chances, bar Martial maybe.
 

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Creator. Most of the creative players will normally bag around 10 goals per season anyway because of the positions they occupy on the pitch. We have continually struggled to break down teams with a low defensive block, which is why we are better a counter attacking team right now. Obviously there are other positions we need as well but I'd like to see us focus on players who are more possession minded than transitional or explosive as we definitely need more strings to our bow.
 

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We need two wide players. One scorer and one creator.

Replacements for what Mata and Sanchez are supposed to be.
 

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Its what worries me with Ander leaving. We saw McTominay and Fred play well together, but we havent seen Pogba play at his best next to them and we've had trouble getting the most out of Pogba in other systems and with other personnel.

Ander seems to do the dirty work and Pogba does the high quality offensive stuff. I obviously hope he adjusts to playing with Fred and McTominay with the way things to be going with Ander. But with the struggle we've had to get him playing as well as he has this season, I don't have a lot of confidence in him adjusting.
Or maybe Pogba finds it difficult when faced against quality playmaking midfielders such as Verratti, Moutinho and Barca's midfield. He's someone who doesn't have the smart thinking to quickly pick out the right option nor the spatial awareness to know where to be at all times. And for someone like Pogba who has this need to often feel the ball under his feet rather than make a quick pass, he needs to have quality close control to buy time for himself while doing such, which he doesn't have and this can be purnished much more in a close nit midfield that has little spaces to operate hence why Pogba has struggled so far. Same happened in the Europa final where he looked like a school kid against Ajax's young boys (granted they weren't incisive despite their midfield domination) and we had to resort to long ball to Fellaini.

So I would say no, Herrera's absence isn't the reason for Pogba's poor performance because Herrera played against PSG and the previous Wolves match. Pogba is just who he is, that is, dangerous when given the space and time in the midfield and back to his poor self whenever faced against quick smart thinking midfielders that doesn't give room for such space.

As for the topic, I would love to have a player with both attributes, that is, productive both in goals and assists. Someone who's pacy, has got quality close control and agility to turn on the ball while dribbling at great pace and has not only got the vision to pick out his teammates with quality throughballs/crossing but also, can go all alone when he see a chance of scoring. I really want someone who's direct and forceful in his approach such as Mane, Sane and Hazard for Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea respectively. Martial isn't as direct as the former. He seems to be a player who loves to operate at the same pace with the team's flow and would rather prefer the play to come to him than force it. He does force it at times but not consistently.
 

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Or maybe Pogba finds it difficult when faced against quality playmaking midfielders such as Verratti, Moutinho and Barca's midfield. He's someone who doesn't have the smart thinking to quickly pick out the right option nor the spatial awareness to know where to be at all times. And for someone like Pogba who has this need to often feel the ball under his feet rather than make a quick pass, he needs to have quality close control to buy time for himself while doing such, which he doesn't have and this can be purnished much more in a close nit midfield that has little spaces to operate hence why Pogba has struggled so far. Same happened in the Europa final where he looked like a school kid against Ajax's young boys (granted they weren't incisive despite their midfield domination) and we had to resort to long ball to Fellaini.

So I would say no, Herrera's absence isn't the reason for Pogba's poor performance because Herrera played against PSG and the previous Wolves match. Pogba is just who he is, that is, dangerous when given the space and time in the midfield and back to his poor self whenever faced against quick smart thinking midfielders that doesn't give room for such space.

As for the topic, I would love to have a player with both attributes, that is, productive both in goals and assists. Someone who's pacy, has got quality close control and agility to turn on the ball while dribbling at great pace and has not only got the vision to pick out his teammates with quality throughballs/crossing but also, can go all alone when he see a chance of scoring. I really want someone who's direct and forceful in his approach such as Mane, Sane and Hazard for Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea respectively. Martial isn't as direct as the former. He seems to be a player who loves to operate at the same pace with the team's flow and would rather prefer the play to come to him than force it. He does force it at times but not consistently.
I'm not talking about specifically in the Barcelona match. I'm talking about anytime Pogba has had a good run of form, its been with Ander in the midfield.

Until I see it with the others instead I'll be skeptical
 

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In terms of creators, statistically Suso is the second most creative right-sided player in Europe's top 5 leagues this season, with 3.2 chances created per 90 minutes from the wing (behind Messi, on 3.3). Sancho (3.1) is third. In the Eredivisie, Ziyech (4.6) comes top, although his numbers are obviously boosted by playing weaker opposition.
 

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Both really. It is no good creating if the people up top waste those chances. We need goals from midfield and up top to compete for the top prizes.
I expect our strikers to score more goals with a creator supplying them better than just being too dependent on Pogba. If we can loan a right winger for a season we should seriously look to invest in an attacking midfielder/creator in the middle first than blow it on a winger who will add balance but not add the numbers we want in terms of chances and goals.
 

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We need creativity and someone who can play good through balls to make use of our striker's pace. If we push for Rashford as our main striker, long balls will be useless as he is physically not a lukaku and I wouldn't expect him to win headers. We should aim for a slick passer who can also shoot from outside the box when needed.
I'm leaning towards needing a creator, too. Rashford can be the scorer, but watching the last couple of games where a lot of folks seem to think he's been pretty useless, I really get the feeling he just needs better players around him. Or maybe just one good creative player with whom our 21-year-old striker can develop a working relationship. More than that, it would benefit Pogba as well.

Those who mention that Pogba doesn't seem to work as well with McT and Fred in the middle as he did with Herrera, that will take another couple of weeks and only if he is so inclined. If that relationship does not develop, then you can take it as a sign that he wants out.
 

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We need someone who can dribble and carry the ball with a great ability to get past players.

That's what we lack. Goals and assist will flow from that, with said player and from the team
 

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Sure. Only in the league:
Agüero, Sterling, Sane, Silva x2, Mahrez and Gündogan are all on 5+ goals (and 2 will end up with 20+);
Salah, Mane and Firmino are all on 10+ (and at least 2 will finish on 20+);
Barca are very Messi-centric, but they have 2 20+ forwards already plus 8 goals from Dembele and 5 from Coutinho;
PSG has 4 players that will end up with 10+ goals, if not for Neumar’s Injury they’d probably have 3 players with more than 20 goals in the league itself;

The difference is, all of them have at least one goalscorer who is on another level completely compared to ours.
Yeah our top 4 scorers are all on 10+ goals, but only have a combined 43.

Man City top 4: 49
Liverpool top 4: 53

Interestingly enough, our top 4 scorers have outperformed Chelsea, Arsenal, and Spurs.

It’s our lack of depth in scorers after the top 4 that kills us.

#5 is Lingard with 4, then it’s three guys with 2, and eight with 1.
 

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Creator. No-one in the squad has real dribbling skills and natural crossing. Players like Mahrez, Di Maria, etc even looking lower down in the league Pereyra at Watford, Anderson etc will make a huge difference even without being top players such is the state of our unbalance.
Rashford/Lingard are pointless when they're denied space to run into. Martial can beat players but runs into too many blind alleys and isn't a natural creator. He is merely doing a job at LW because we don't have anyone better. This is compounded by fullbacks that are average at best in the attacking phase.
 
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Both. Having one or the other is not good enough at this level.

I would expect at least 15 goals from the right winger. He also has to be highly creative.
 

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Creator is top priority, since Pogba is our only creator at the moment and when he AWOL we are done. So no more cut inside for 1st season. If he can score 10+ goals that will be a bonus, but 1st season should be about creating chances for the forwards.
 

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We need more footballers capable of raising the level of the collective. So the RW has to be creative and capable of linking up well. I'm sorry but we aren't cohesive enough of a unit to be content with a goalcorer. That's why Sancho is perfect. He does both.
 

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Goalscorer because I dont trust Lukaku, Rashford or Martial to be efficient converters of chances, bar Martial maybe.
Yes but first you have to create chances which we don't do enough of.
 

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Yes but first you have to create chances which we don't do enough of.
You still can't get it. There are people on this forum taking every opportunity to push forward their agenda. Do we need a RW - get a new striker. Do we need a RB - get a new striker. Do we need a new CB - get a new striker......
 

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Both. But either way we need a player who can manage more than 1 assist and 0 goals in 3 months