Ryan Sessegnon | Performances

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  1. Feb 18, 2018
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    Think the point is that there are more chances for youth at Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs over City, Chelsea, Utd. Of course there's also the fact that City, Utd have the dosh to go out and buy those players after they've developed and that the youth development is a necessity more than a strategy, but at this moment I'd take Arsenal over city utd, chelsea. Arsenal first team players that have been with us since 17 or before: Ramsey, Wilshere, Iwobi, Bellerin, Maitland-Niles.
  2. Feb 18, 2018
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    Im sorry, as a LW he wont get many chances at Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool either.
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    Only way we sign him is if we play with wing backs - which we won't.

    Will be a great signing for somebody though
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    Arsenal don't have a lb, kolasinac isn't working out and monreal is 31.
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    I said as a LW though. Even then he doesn't get into any of the teams as LB.
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    What happened to Kolisanic anyway? I don’t watch Arsenal that often but he looked like he had started his Arsenal career well. Was getting forward well and seemed to be a good addition - for free especially, iirc? He must have been terrible defensively? And that’s saying a lot as most of Arsenal’s defenders have an error or 2 in them.

    Not that the Caf opinions are super reliable :lol: but I also remember reading how a few were disappointed we weren’t in for him (admittedly our LB options wasn’t great, especially with Shaw injured).
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    He has a much better chance of getting games as a wing back compared to say attacking wide forward/winger for the bigger clubs. Whilst Monreal is 31 Arsenal have been playing Maitland-Niles occasionally at LB over Kolasinac, dont know what happened to Kolasinac? Arsenal fans?

    That or if Rose leaves Spurs could see him going there. Wasnt there a big deal a while ago about Rose leaving at the end of this season after speaking out against the club? Spurs fans?
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    There was some disquiet, yes, but it seems to have calmed down since then ... tho' it remains to be seen whether or not it will bubble up again in the summer.

    As for Sessegnon, I think his stock has risen so far and fast that his price tag will be beyond what we're willing to pay. I hope I'm wrong because Spurs would be the perfect club for him.
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    Kolasinac suffered an injury and was replaced by Maitland Niles. After our shite run of form Wenger reverted to a back four where he's been playing Monreal above Kola, whose defensive qualities Wenger doesn't seem to rate. Kola was a low risk move for us, and I don't know but he can be moved on in the summer because when Wenger develops a dislike for a player that player generally never gets a look back in. If that happens I think Sessegnon would be a decent understudy to Monreal, and the fact that he can play higher will also make him suitable for a change to back three.
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    I don’t know why I’m replying to be honest as it feels like I’m talking to a brick wall, but will try one more time.

    Manchester United have not been the model club for developing youngsters in a long time, hence United selling Pogba, only to buy him back again for a world record fee, this was the case even under Sir Alex, the only players who came through United’s academy since the class of 92 and in 20 years and had a relatively good career at United was Darren Fletcher/John O’Shea/Jonny Evans and Wes Brown.

    As for Jose Mourinho, this is a guy who sold Salah/KDB and Lukaku only to buy Lukaku back again for almost £100m, try telling Chelsea fans that Jose Mourihno is fantastic at developing young players and see what they say, they will say your talking shit.

    As for United take a look in the Martial thread and you will see people are always going on about how Jose is terrible for him, same in the Rashford thread, bottom line he’s not a manager globally renowned for developing young players.

    So taking all that into account, along with the football he plays, is United really the club for a young exciting attacking player like Ryan Sessegnon? Answer is no.

    Harry Kane is now regarded as the best striker in the world, that wouldn’t have happened at United, he’d have been sold to someone like Stoke and wouldn’t be the player he is today coming through United’s ranks.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Well that’s just a load of old bollox, isn’t it? Unless you have counter examples of other PL clubs with a better record?
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    Liverpool also have Rhian Brewster. Arsenal have more top English talent in their ranks than we do in the 17-21 bracket just about I would say. Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Wilock and Neketiah are all getting senior minutes this season, granted that is partly because they are in the Europa League but some great talents there.
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    Thanks TG. Yeah I was under the impression Kolasinic was doing fairly alright.
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    He'll inevitably leave at some point but I wouldn't be too surprised if he stayed at Fulham for another year, regardless if they go up or not.

    He's been there since he was 7, his brother also plays for Fulham, he lives just down the road from Motspur Park, and looks to have a very good support network around him that allows him to grow.

    Reminds me of Rashford. Just seems like a good, grounded kid.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    People have been saying that about Arsenal for years but it never amounts to much. Certain not in terms of first team regulars. And that’s even less likely now they’ve started spending big.
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    What is this nonsense? We are pretty much the only big club in England who actually bring through our own players and actually play them with any kind of regularity.
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    But thats more because the players are a bit shit, isn't it, not due to lack of game time. Like the poster you replied to said, Iwobi, AMN have got pretty regular playing time in the PL, and the others in the EL. We can't go on playing average players just to make up the numbers can we? Even mediocre players like Gibbs, Chamberlain and Walcott were kept till well in their 20's before we got rid of them. If anything Arsenal should be accused of putting too much faith in youth, more than what is advisable.
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    I’ve said in this thread many times, hopefully Fulham get promoted and he can stay there. That would be the ideal situation for the player.
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    Imagine if Tottenham turned Bale down because he had a future as a LW instead of LB. Just saying..
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    Below list are teenagers in Championship and Premierleague with 500+mins this Season. I've then checked out their total stats in senior football to come up with their total playing experience.

    Stats come from Transfermarkt.co.uk


    19 years old
    18 years old
    17 years old

    Ryan Sessegnon / Fulham / 4888mins / 19 goals, 8 assists
    Ronaldo Vieira / Leeds / 3778mins / 2 goals, 3 assists
    Tom Davies / Everton / 3350mins / 2 goals, 5 assists
    Ben Brereton / Nottingham Forest / 2093mins / 5 goals, 5 assists
    Trent Alexander-Arnold / Liverpool / 1755mins / 3 goals, 2 assists
    Declan Rice / West Ham / 1145mins / 0 goal, 0 assists
    Joshua Earl / Preston / 1035mins / 0 goals, 0 assists

    Rúben Vinagre / Wolverhampton Wanderers / 927mins / 1 goal, 1 assist
    Ike Ugbo / Barnsley / 745mins / 1 goal, 1 assist
    Joel Asoro / Sunderland / 824mins / 1 goal, 2 assists

    That might put his price tag into perspective.

    Ryan Sessegnon / Goal/Assist every 181.0mins
    Ben Brereton / Goal/Assist every 232.1mins
    Joel Asoro / Goal/Assist every 274.7mins

    Ike Ugbo / Goal/Assist every 404.0mins
    Trent Alexander-Arnold / Goal/Assist every 423.4mins
    Tom Davies / Goal/Assist every 447.4mins

    Rúben Vinagre / Goal/Assist every 483.5mins
    Ronaldo Vieira / Goal/Assist every 799.4mins
    Joshua Earl / N/A - no Goals/Assists
    Declan Rice / N/A - no Goals/Assists
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    He has 10 goals and 2 assists in 12 games as an attacker this season. Most of his games were at left back.
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    Doesn't really matter, the point is to see his overall achievement. 19 goals and 8 assists for a 17 year old is fecking incredible and he's miles ahead of his age range in this country. He's got over 1,000mins more than Vieira in second place despite being 2 years older. He's a must buy for all clubs imo.
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    So you just skirt over factual and quantified evidence like United's academy, out of all clubs, making the biggest contribution to top flight football in England as recent as last season, to still carry on pushing this nonsense that we don't have a good track record with youth? Despite some important members of our squad, the team that currently sits 2nd in the league, being graduates from our academy?

    and then you mention outlier moments like selling Pogba and bringing him back as the justification for a rationale that goes against hard numbers? and you do the same for Mourinho despite me providing a comprehensive list of talents he helped nurture?

    And I'm supposed to take posts made by internet randoms in the Rashford and Martial threads as the "be all end all", despite you, yes you, in this current exchange, being the perfect example that people on the internet often don't know what they're talking about? And before goalposts get shifted, not once did I argue anything close to Mourinho being renown as an authority for youth development globally, I merely presented evidence that he has helped foster good young players as often the disingenuous notion that Mourinho is bad for young players gets brought out to supplement bad posts.

    And save me the Mystic Meg impersonation with that Harry Kane paragraph, as you have no idea what would have happened had he been at United.
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    My point was more that those pretty exceptional stats for a 17 year old playing attacking midfield will mean his price will be very high. If he had remained at left back all season he would probably be gettable at 15-20m.
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    Nah, Fulham would have wanted more given what we paid for Shaw not to mention the market has gone up since then.

    I agree though, he's got exceptional stats and is the standout of his age range at the moment.
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    He only signed a 3 year contract with them so he will be down to 2 years this summer.
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    Wow what a lot of shite this is. Welbeck Cleverley did more than ok Lingard Rashford all through the academy all amassed a pretty impressive number of appearances. We have also got Tunzabe and TFM coming through so what other team has done better in this league in this country? I’ll save you time here None.
    That’s not to mention all the other of our ex academy players that have good premiership careers.
    Mentioning the Pogba deal is unfair it’s a one off and Fergie tried to keep him but his hands were tied. Not exactly how you are painting it and you obviously know it.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    This is very true. He also did all he could to help Ravel Morrison,promoted Fletcher,bought a very young Phil Jones and gave opportunities to a host of young players who went on to have excellent careers while not being good enough for Utd( Simpson,Drinkwater,King)
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    The whole point of the a clubs youth system is to promote from within, i don't class United making £1m-£2m for a player and them going on to have a good career at a lower Premier League/Championship club a success story and with that if United signed Ryan Sessegnon, i would want United to play him and develop him into one of the best players in the world in his area of expertise - I wouldn't class United selling him aged 25, because he didn't play much for the same price we bought him for (or slightly more) as great business for the club like many would here, i would put that down to United failed him.

    And with that I'd rather see him go somewhere else as i have zero faith in United/Jose Mourinho and Jose Mourinho's style to develop Ryan Sessegnon how many people hope he will develop who's been following his career so far.

    This is the last I'm typing on this now, i don't want to ruin the thread but people know where I'm coming from deep down.
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    Nah I've no idea where you're coming from.
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    Ok get your eyes tested, you may be short-sighted, only able to see things close-up (United).
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    I've 20/20 vision mate. I clearly saw you write "this is the last I'm typing on this now" and yet here you are.
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    I think it's just the difference in where your priorities lie. Club over the national team and individual players vs vice versa. For me, it's the former every time but people have different priorities, which is fair.
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    Sorry buddy I have no clue either maybe my misperception of what you are saying or your inability to express it clearly. But United have served England over the last 20 years as good as any club in this country and promoted more academy players than most. Jose has had a lot of stuff brought up about his inability to promote youth but then he’s doing it nicely just now. Plus when you compare him to say Wenger (a big advocate of youth apparently in our country! Is his record that bad previously?) Jose also gets the KDB Lukaku Salah etc thrown at him but looking at his team at the time and these guys would have got nowhere near the playing time needed to develop. So that’s harsh on most accounts also although subjective enough to argue a player or two granted.
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    He is joint 5th highest scorer in the league currently. Seems a bit of a weird season scoring wise with the top scorer on a low total of 17. He could feasibly win the golden boot if he carries on at this rate of scoring as an attacking player.
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    Top scorer last season got 27 goals, 25 season before, so 17 in February isn't low.
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    Who was the one on here that said he "nothing special" when I mentioned about him previously?
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    @Ekeke is convinced he is a bag of toss.

    There was a poster last year saying that he was overrated a lot too, can't remember who.
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    You’ve embarrassed yourself mate.
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    :lol: Pathetic how many fans are still clueless about this