Sagna: Our players need more protection

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Children please, nobody disputes that Sagna has employed hyperbole here to make his point. Let's move beyond that and agree that bad tackles deserve harsher punishments, no matter who commits them.
 

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dont think we need a major rethink on the rules, like cards or retro action...the Rooney elbow incident is proof how silly it can all get.

if refs applied a good dose of common sense and realised they are not the people who the punter came to watch but a good ol football match, we may get somewhere.
 

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dont think we need a major rethink on the rules, like cards or retro action...the Rooney elbow incident is proof how silly it can all get.

if refs applied a good dose of common sense and realised they are not the people who the punter came to watch but a good ol football match, we may get somewhere.
That was fine in days gone by when they were respected by all and bad decisions didn't have the consequences that they have now in the modern game.

There's changes needing to be made by all parties.
 

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Tbf it was a poor tackle but Sagna is making a huge deal out of it. Wilshere put in a tackle just as bad but you don't see our players making a meal about it and moaning in public do you?
This is exactly right.

One can only assume Sagna had a go at Wilshire.
 

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A "Arsenal whinging about things" thread should be a sticky in this forum.
 

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That was fine in days gone by when they were respected by all and bad decisions didn't have the consequences that they have now in the modern game.

There's changes needing to be made by all parties.
if you look at the best refs, they just get the respect they need to get the job done. Players like supporters and the media come to a match with preconcieved ideas about certain refs...and they are not wrong. Too many weak refs around.

The best refs are the best because they try and be a minimum influence on the match.
 

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By now you have to wonder if this is just some sort of highly sophisticated self-ironical humour employed by the Arsenal players and Wenger and they are all sitting there laughing their ass off over a bottle of gently cooled Fortrant Merlot Rosé as internet critics fall for it hook line and sinker.
 

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I find the usual Arsenal whining and self-perpetuating agenda quite hypocritical to be honest. The worst tackle I've seen in the last few seasons was commited by an Arsenal player, Gallas on young Mark Davies of Bolton. He got away with it(not even a foul was awarded)and the silence of Arsenal on that occasion was deafening. It was a shocker and far worse than any of the tackles that have caused the severe injuries to some Arsenal player's over recent times.

I'd recommend that they drink some more milk, make sure their own yard is clean before accusing others, and flick that chip off their shoulder.

The game has gone soft enough as it is.
 

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Tbf it was a poor tackle but Sagna is making a huge deal out of it. Wilshere put in a tackle just as bad but you don't see our players making a meal about it and moaning in public do you?

Though Sagna is not wrong about what he's trying to say. Dangerous tackles need to get stamped out of the game, not tackling in general though.
Thats because were winners and they're losers.
 

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I find the usual Arsenal whining and self-perpetuating agenda quite hypocritical to be honest. The worst tackle I've seen in the last few seasons was commited by an Arsenal player, Gallas on young Mark Davies of Bolton. He got away with it(not even a foul was awarded)and the silence of Arsenal on that occasion was deafening. It was a shocker and far worse than any of the tackles that have caused the severe injuries to some Arsenal player's over recent times.
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Because it wasn't a particularly bad foul, the Bolton player went into the tackle in a way that Gallas couldn't haven't anticipated, which is why he got caught.
 

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have you seen him live quite a bit?

only got into him 1980. heard him first on the radio signing Drive all Night. Never heard a more sincere voice...it almost floored me. the next day I went and bought every LP he had made including the first 3 in a box set. Saw him at Wembley. He was magic. Have senn a few times since but that first time was the best.

Wembley on 4th July 1985, Villa Park for Tunnel of Love tour and here in Sacramento a few years ago. Have all the albums too. Him and Weller are the best live acts I've seen.
 

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I think Sagna makes a good point when he says people in this country don't talk about it until someone gets seriously injured. Which is a problem.
If these feckwits were capable of presenting the case generally instead of playing the victims all of the time they might be listened to instead of ridiculed.
 

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Because it wasn't a particularly bad foul, the Bolton player went into the tackle in a way that Gallas couldn't haven't anticipated, which is why he got caught.
Garbage, absolute garbage. It was a leg-breaker, and had it been the other way around, the old victimisation mindset of Arsenal would have kicked in aswell as the "dirty Bolton trying to rough us up" perception.

The tackles that left Ramsey, Eduardo, and Diaby with severe injuries were nowhere near as bad or high. Nor for that matter was the nothing challenge Sagna has decided to whinge over and Nasri went apeshit about, nor the tackle of Jonny Evans on Holden.

If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen. Simple as that.
 

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Garbage, absolute garbage. It was a leg-breaker, and had it been the other way around, the old victimisation mindset of Arsenal would have kicked in aswell as the "dirty Bolton trying to rough us up" perception.
It's not rubbish - it's what happened, as you would know if you were there to see it live or bothered to watch a proper replay and read the situation. You're the one who kicks in with an agenda rather than judging things on their merits.
 

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Garbage, absolute garbage. It was a leg-breaker, and had it been the other way around, the old victimisation mindset of Arsenal would have kicked in aswell as the "dirty Bolton trying to rough us up" perception.

The tackles that left Ramsey, Eduardo, and Diaby with severe injuries were nowhere near as bad or high. Nor for that matter was the nothing challenge Sagna has decided to whinge over and Nasri went apeshit about, nor the tackle of Jonny Evans on Holden.

If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen. Simple as that.
Have you even seen the Diaby one? It was a million times worse than all the others. You can't surely argue the Gallas one was worse?
 

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I love the fair play league argument. It's just irrelevant. A red card for actual bodily harm is regarded as equally bad as a red card for two yellow cards. It's of little significance.
 

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Have you even seen the Diaby one? It was a million times worse than all the others. You can't surely argue the Gallas one was worse?
Of all of these (except Diaby, all I remember of that is thinking it was nasty at the time) I would say Gallas was the worst one, and in a rather ironic way didn't cause any injury at all.
 

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It's not rubbish - it's what happened, as you would know if you were there to see it live or bothered to watch a proper replay and read the situation. You're the one who kicks in with an agenda rather than judging things on their merits.
I've seen it plenty of times, it was a horrendous tackle which endangered the opponent. Your justification of it is bizzare and hypocritical to the extreme considering the hysterical reaction any semi-late/high tackle on one of your player's generates with yourself, your fanbase, your team, and your one-eyed hypocrite of a manager.

Man up FFS and get on with it. The other 19 teams in the division play under the same rules and style of play without all the nonsense we hear on a regular basis from the Emirates.
 

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Was it bollocks - you need to learn how to read the game.
While I do that then, you can brush up on the old physics and bone structure/pressure tolerance. The guy was insanely lucky to come out of it relatively unscathed(he was still out for a while after though which kind of dilutes your point anyway).

Even Wenger, Mr. "I didn't see it" himself acknowledged the severity of the challenge and could not provide any defence of Gallas.
 

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Don't forget the assault on Nani at Old Trafford that Wenger actually specifically said was ok because he was showing off (oh the irony).

They are the worst hypocrites over this sort of thing. Vieira left his foot in all the time as does Diaby.
 

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A view from another arsenal player

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Arsenal's Robin van Persie takes a swipe at 'big mouth' rivals Chelsea, Manchester City and Barcelona
Robin van Persie has laid into Chelsea and Manchester City for trailing Arsenal in the Premier League, despite their free spending in the transfer market, and insists he is more than a match for Barcelona's 'annoying' team of moaners.



Van Persie has also staunchly defended his side's playing style, and refusal to spend huge sums in the transfer market, pointing out that, despite a string of recent disappointments, Arsenal are still very much in the title race.

"I still strongly believe in my club's philosophy," said Van Persie, who is currently training with Holland in preparation for two Euro 2012 qualifiers against Hungary.

"A club like Manchester City change their philosophy every year and Chelsea spent about €80 million [£70m] this season ... two clubs who had a big mouth before the season, thinking that Arsenal wouldn't play a role in the title race, but we are still ahead of them. And just by playing our own game, through our own philosophy."

However, the 27-year-old striker has reserved his strongest criticism for the team that knocked Arsenal out of the Champions League, suggesting that Barca's players skewed the tie in their favour by manipulating the referee.

"Barcelona's players have the habit of whingeing about everything, and that is disappointing. In England, Chelsea’s players behave in the same way.

"Barca are a great team, but they shouldn’t overdo the moaning as they become b****y annoying. They dispute every decision, with five players confronting the referee. I like their style of play, but find them unsporting as well.

"They behaved like this in their two games against Arsenal. It was not so clever and rather unsportsmanlike."

Van Persie was on the losing side against many of the same players when Holland were beaten by Spain in the World Cup final, but he does not believe that either side is invincible.

"I rate Barcelona more highly than the Spanish national side, but they can be beaten. I felt in no way inferior to their players."

Van Persie is adamant that Arsenal can still win the Premier League, despite going out of three cup tournaments in quick succession and losing a number of key players to injury.

"We always do our best at Arsenal and always want to win," he said.

"On a number of occasions we have been very close but, at the last moment, it's often not good enough. That's the reality. It's very frustrating when you lose, especially as a team when we're so close.

"But we have to look forward and now it's up to us to change all that. I firmly believe in the team, Arsenal and myself and I'm positive we will win prizes."
Telegraph