Samuel Umtiti

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He played in the recent France games no? How was he then?
 

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If he can stay fit, it would be an amazing signing. Much better (and cheaper) than Maguire.
 

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We should pass on Kane then as well?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098

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18/19 Torn Ankle Ligament Jan 14, 2019 Feb 23, 2019 40 days 8
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17/18 Hamstring Injury Oct 23, 2017 Oct 30, 2017 7 days 2
16/17 Ankle Injury Mar 13, 2017 Apr 6, 2017 24 days 3
16/17 Ankle Injury Sep 19, 2016 Nov 7, 2016 49 days 11
I am neither against nor in favour of this signing. Buy you have to acknowledge that its a risk. Even @JPRouve seem to agrees to that and he is way more knowledgeable on French talent then I do
 

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It'd be stupid to say No if his knee is fine.

It'd be stupid to say Yes if his knee is fecked.

No one here knows about his knee so all this is a bit meh
 

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I am neither against nor in favour of this signing. Buy you have to acknowledge that its a risk. Even @JPRouve seem to agrees to that and he is way more knowledgeable on French talent then I do
Yeah of course. It's a big risk considering our history with players like that. But the upside considering the CB pool is really worth a shot IMO!
 

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We should pass on Kane then as well?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098

18/19 Ligament Injury Apr 10, 2019 May 31, 2019 51 days 9
18/19 Torn Ankle Ligament Jan 14, 2019 Feb 23, 2019 40 days 8
17/18 Ankle Injury Mar 12, 2018 Apr 1, 2018 20 days 2
17/18 Knee Injury Nov 6, 2017 Nov 14, 2017 8 days -
17/18 Hamstring Injury Oct 23, 2017 Oct 30, 2017 7 days 2
16/17 Ankle Injury Mar 13, 2017 Apr 6, 2017 24 days 3
16/17 Ankle Injury Sep 19, 2016 Nov 7, 2016 49 days 11
In this case its different. Umtiti torn his ACL when he was young and had a bad surgery and it took a lot of time to recover, he injured his acl again in 2017 and opted not to get surgery because he was scared of having surgery again. He's playing with an acl injury that wasn't treated.
 

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In this case its different. Umtiti torn his ACL when he was young and had a bad surgery and it took a lot of time to recover, he injured his acl again in 2017 and opted not to get surgery because he was scared of having surgery again. He's playing with an acl injury that wasn't treated.
I have been living with a torn ACL. You are not the same. The additional strain on your other muscles and other leg makes you injury prone. In fact, I just tore the calf muscle in my 'good' ACL leg playing tennis which I believe was due to the additional load. Don't sign Umtiti with a torn ACL please.
 

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I have been living with a torn ACL. You are not the same. The additional strain on your other muscles and other leg makes you injury prone. In fact, I just tore the calf muscle in my 'good' ACL leg playing tennis which I believe was due to the additional load. Don't sign Umtiti with a torn ACL please.
Not to mention that no ACL adds extra strain on your already injured knee.
Fair play to him though, he's playing top level football with no ACL :lol: He will be done by the age of 28 at this rate.
 

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Big risk injury prone. The last thing we want is signing another Jones.

There is a good reason if Barcelona is opening the door for him.

Even so, I have a feeling he will fail the medical since I remember read the news that he’s been playing with his injury.
 

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Not to mention that no ACL adds extra strain on your already injured knee.
Fair play to him though, he's playing top level football with no ACL :lol: He will be done by the age of 28 at this rate.
I have been living with a torn ACL. You are not the same. The additional strain on your other muscles and other leg makes you injury prone. In fact, I just tore the calf muscle in my 'good' ACL leg playing tennis which I believe was due to the additional load. Don't sign Umtiti with a torn ACL please.
Had to read the story again, he injured his knee when he was 17 and had a bad surgery and he torn his meniscus after that and never had surgery. He now has no cartilage on his knee and that causes all the problems.
 

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I thought I read the injury he had along with the ACL was the same as Ledly King in that he has no cartilage in his knee.
 

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French Ledley king, stay the hell away!
 

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Good at the exception of the game against Turkey where everyone was bad.
Thanks. The profile is quite attractive and he's obviously a good player, I'm just very wary of his knee exploding when we need him the most.
 

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Had to read the story again, he injured his knee when he was 17 and had a bad surgery and he torn his meniscus after that and never had surgery. He now has no cartilage on his knee and that causes all the problems.
Didn't know that.

Knew he didn't have operation on it the second time, but not that he didn't have cartilage.. Means we should stay away then and you are right!
 

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Didn't know that.

Knew he didn't have operation on it the second time, but not that he didn't have cartilage.. Means we should stay away then and you are right!
No one knows that, no one knows much about the injury at the exception of Umtiti, Barcelona and the FFF.
 

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Had to read the story again, he injured his knee when he was 17 and had a bad surgery and he torn his meniscus after that and never had surgery. He now has no cartilage on his knee and that causes all the problems.
That's troublesome if true. I would expect a medical to highlight such issues though.
 

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A big target man. Firstly, there isn’t as many these days and secondly I’m not advocating two short centre backs. Height is a small percentage of what costs a goal, a short centre back won’t let himself get into a position where he’s isolated against a big striker and if he does there’s a lot he can do to compete before it gets to the point of him being towered over.
Plenty of teams in pl still have a striker who is strong the air, not traditional target men per se, but still strong in attacking crosses.You take last season alone, the likes of Jimenez, Murray, Kane, Lukaku, Rondon, Barnes, Mitrovic, Giroud and even Fellanini. It doesn't matter how good your positioning is, your full back gets beat and a cross is whipped in..... It's also not just in attacking crosses. I referenced the Kane goal. Spurs kick off, long punt upfield, Jones is on Kane, not neccessairly bad positioning but he's done in the air and the flick on leads to a goal. It's not just short central defenders, Lindelof isn't short but he's not strong in the air. If we did persue Umtiti it would presumably be to partner him.In europe and v the likes of City and Liverpool, that would be strong as they don't play with high balls but we could suffer against lower teams is all I'm saying
 

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Didn't know that.

Knew he didn't have operation on it the second time, but not that he didn't have cartilage.. Means we should stay away then and you are right!
https://en.as.com/en/2018/09/30/football/1538333351_381617.html
You can see there they've tried different types of treatments, that was in september last year. After using that treatment he injured himself again and missed 3 months (19 games) and missed 32 games in 2018 in total.
 

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Barca wouldn’t sell him if they thought he was over his injury woes

We may be desperate for a top class cb but I hope we’re not stupid
 

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Yeah of course. It's a big risk considering our history with players like that. But the upside considering the CB pool is really worth a shot IMO!
Id say let's take him on a loan + with the chance of buying him up at the end of the year
 

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Wouldn't there be a medical exam once terms are agreed to? Wouldn't we be able to scupper the deal if the medical showed a permanent issue with the knee?
 

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Season injury from until Days Games missed
18/19 Knee Injury Nov 27, 2018 Feb 18, 2019 83 days 19
18/19 Knee Injury Sep 28, 2018 Nov 10, 2018 43 days 9
17/18 Knee Problems May 7, 2018 May 21, 2018 14 days 3
17/18 Muscle Injury Dec 4, 2017 Jan 20, 2018 47 days 9
16/17 Hamstring Injury Nov 10, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 21 days 4
16/17 Stretched Ligament Sep 19, 2016 Oct 13, 2016 24 days 4
13/14 Hamstring Injury Mar 17, 2014 Apr 3, 2014 17 days 4
All those knee injuries! A chance he'll never play again. Welcome to the Injured Defender's Club Sam!
 

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We should pass on Kane then as well?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098

18/19 Ligament Injury Apr 10, 2019 May 31, 2019 51 days 9
18/19 Torn Ankle Ligament Jan 14, 2019 Feb 23, 2019 40 days 8
17/18 Ankle Injury Mar 12, 2018 Apr 1, 2018 20 days 2
17/18 Knee Injury Nov 6, 2017 Nov 14, 2017 8 days -
17/18 Hamstring Injury Oct 23, 2017 Oct 30, 2017 7 days 2
16/17 Ankle Injury Mar 13, 2017 Apr 6, 2017 24 days 3
16/17 Ankle Injury Sep 19, 2016 Nov 7, 2016 49 days 11
Kane’s injury concerns are slowly becoming a problem, for what it’s worth. He’s an excellent striker all the same.
 

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It would have made sense had united sealed de Ligt transfer. de Ligt and Umititi would have instantly made our defense best in EPL.
 

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Was really keen on this with us missing out on main targets at CB. Didn't realise his knee issues were that bad. If he has no knee cartilage then he'll be in and out the treatment room constantly and won't be able to train much. Basically Ledley King.