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A couple years ago he was England's brightest young prospect. Setting records and looking destined for greatness. Two years later he's missed out on the world cup and is sitting home watching Saka and Rashford get redemption while he struggles to find form and consistency. He's now reportedly dealing with family issues and has blacked out his social media.

We might forget he's still only 22 and right now apart from his personal circle, United fans are the only support group he's going to get. The vultures in the press and rival fans are already circling. I completely understand the criticisms about his form, effort and drive but while he's our player let's support the lad. Hes had less than twenty games under ETH and started the season quite well including a goal against the dippers. Look at how quickly opinions on a young player like Dalot has changed , Sancho can do the same if he applies the right work ethic.
 

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Look at how quickly opinions on a young player like Dalot has changed , Sancho can do the same if he applies the right work ethic.
He doesn't need our support, he just needs to work hard and the fans will be behind him, no one supported Dalot, a lot of people would be ok if he was sold, but he worked hard and now the fans love him, if Sancho wants to get the support, it is simple, he has to prove he worth supporting, the fact he is a Manchester United player does not grant him eternal support.
 

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“The vultures in the press and rival fans are already circling.”

Hard to even notice that with so many “fans” of United already done with him, calling him shit and a waste of money. Getting anyone on this site to back a player is like asking the mafia to give up running numbers.

The kid is good, very good. Could be a superstar if put in the right position, and used the right way.
 

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He doesn't need our support, he just needs to work hard and the fans will be behind him, no one supported Dalot, a lot of people would be ok if he was sold, but he worked hard and now the fans love him, if Sancho wants to get the support, it is simple, he has to prove he worth supporting, the fact he is a Manchester United player does not grant him eternal support.
Think you missed the point of the thread. At a young age he may need an arm around him.
 

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No its important we put him down at every opportunity especially whenever we want to praise Garnacho. Plus their names sound alike and sound good in the same sentence.
 

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At least he has Rashford and Dalot to learn from. I'm quite certain they'll support him whatever way they can, and probably why he's decided to black out social media for a bit.
 

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He doesn't need our support, he just needs to work hard and the fans will be behind him, no one supported Dalot, a lot of people would be ok if he was sold, but he worked hard and now the fans love him, if Sancho wants to get the support, it is simple, he has to prove he worth supporting, the fact he is a Manchester United player does not grant him eternal support.
Regardless of whether he needs to work harder he still needs our support. Every United player is worth supporting until they leave the club (Ronaldo not included). He will come good but Sancho needs all the support he can get. 22 is no age to give up on a talented footballer. I personally think the No10 role would be perfect for him, he has the skill set and his lack of pace won’t be a problem there.
 

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He needs our shin pads, he just needs to apply himself in training and work on running more. Sprinting drills, whatever he needs because he comes across as a bit lethargic.

Shaw looks like he has the best fitness of his life right now, he was overweight at times in the past. There's no excuses for Sancho, he has the talent now work hard.
 

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Think you missed the point of the thread. At a young age he may need an arm around him.
Well, it not from the Fanbase where you will get the "arm around him" support, that comes from the Manager, and I expect Ten Hag to do just that, but for him to get the support from the Fans, he needs to work at it and do it himself, fans will not support you forever just because you play for their beloved club.
 
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He has everyone's support, there's not a person who's a United fan who doesn't want him to succeed, but he's been here closing in on two seasons and his good performances are countable on one hand. He won't take on a man and he's shown nothing to warrant the transfer fee, to the point Garnacho is now first choice over him.

The only reason people are suggesting selling him is because if this continues into season 3 and 4, he's absolutely worthless. It's got nothing to do with people finding a new scapegoat or hating him.
 

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Regardless of whether he needs to work harder he still needs our support. Every United player is worth supporting until they leave the club (Ronaldo not included). He will come good but Sancho needs all the support he can get. 22 is no age to give up on a talented footballer. I personally think the No10 role would be perfect for him, he has the skill set and his lack of pace won’t be a problem there.
Sorry, but I disagree with the above, of course I am 100% opposed to any abuse towards our players (Ronaldo included), but when it comes to support, a player needs to show that he is worth supporting, some fans love Rashford, because there was a time at his career with United when he was brilliant so the fans kept supporting him, Sancho had a lot of support last year despite his up and down performances (more downs than ups), but this year, there is a greater expectations on him and he has to fight harder and when he doesn't the support from the fans will surely dwindle and I am worried a time will come when all of us see him as a flop, and I hope that never happens.
 

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He doesn't need our support, he just needs to work hard and the fans will be behind him, no one supported Dalot, a lot of people would be ok if he was sold, but he worked hard and now the fans love him, if Sancho wants to get the support, it is simple, he has to prove he worth supporting, the fact he is a Manchester United player does not grant him eternal support.
Thanks for proving my point with the first reply in the thread. Just think if all the people in your life took this same attitude with you growing up.…
 

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Well intentioned thread, agree with the sentiment.

He will have loads of people telling him what he needs to do right now, all telling him slightly different. Hopefully he listens to ETH and someone he trusts, and the rest of us give him some space to get back to what he can be.
 

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He has everyone's support, there's not a person who's a United fan who doesn't want him to succeed, but he's been here closing in on two seasons and his good performances are countable on one hand. He won't take on a man and he's shown nothing to warrant the transfer fee, to the point Garnacho is now first choice over him.

The only reason people are suggesting selling him is because if this continues into season 3 and 4, he's absolutely worthless. It's got nothing to do with people finding a new scapegoat or hating him.
The bolded is how I think all United fans feel about Sancho, all of us want him to succeed, but that support won't last forever, at some point he needs to start delivering.
 

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He does need a support but at the same time he needs to show us something to warrant a trust in him. As of now he has not done much at all and is more and more looking to be a huge flop. There is a decent player somewhere in him but I have my doubts he will ever be good enough to be our starting player. Still young of course but he needs to turn it around and quickly.
 

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The bolded is how I think all United fans feel about Sancho, all of us want him to succeed, but that support won't last forever, at some point he needs to start delivering.
Dude, you just got through saying he doesn’t need our support and if he wants it needs to prove himself. All hail Garnacho, right? At least until he has a run of bad games, then feck him too.
 

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Thanks for proving my point with the first reply in the thread. Just think if all the people in your life took this same attitude with you growing up.…
You thought you were clever with that kind of post?

Say what you think and say it clearly and properly, don't bring my life and the people in my life into this, I do not have millions of fans like Sancho, who is an internationally recognized footballer, who earns millions in year, I am sure he has his own family and the people close to him supporting him, and I expect Ten Hag will support him too, the topic in the thread is about the fans supporting him regardless of how is doing, and my point is, Sancho needs to perform and deliver to get the fans on his side, yes we want him to succeed and all, but that won't be forever.
 

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I don't see problem with Sancho. Slight drop in form. It happens.
He is great talent and soon will be our key player
 

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You thought you were clever with that kind of post?

Say what you think and say it clearly and properly, don't bring my life and the people in my life into this, I do not have millions of fans like Sancho, who is an internationally recognized footballer, who earns millions in year, I am sure he has his own family and the people close to him supporting him, and I expect Ten Hag will support him too, the topic in the thread is about the fans supporting him regardless of how is doing, and my point is, Sancho needs to perform and deliver to get the fans on his side, yes we want him to succeed and all, but that won't be forever.
Yeah, as clever as you are trying to be with this passive aggressive reply. I asked you to reflect on if people you know called you shit and constantly said you needed to prove yourself.. is that the best way to get the most out of you?
 

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You thought you were clever with that kind of post?

Say what you think and say it clearly and properly, don't bring my life and the people in my life into this, I do not have millions of fans like Sancho, who is an internationally recognized footballer, who earns millions in year, I am sure he has his own family and the people close to him supporting him, and I expect Ten Hag will support him too, the topic in the thread is about the fans supporting him regardless of how is doing, and my point is, Sancho needs to perform and deliver to get the fans on his side, yes we want him to succeed and all, but that won't be forever.
I think you've made a legitimate point. Support doesn't last forever and isn't unconditional and I've said neither in the opening post.

My point is consider the current circumstances of his career( dropped for club and country, new manager, three managers in his first 15 months at a new club ) and personal life . Right now is when young players need the support not when they're killing it , winning everything, playing amazing. United fans are generally patient and kind to their players and I hope we support Sancho like we normally do.
 

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If Maguire can have good games after all the pressure, then for Sancho it should be a piece of cake to rediscover his form, it's up to him.
 

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When the majority see what a young lad like garnacho is giving us, they are questioning why can’t a guy who came in with such a glowing reputation can’t do that? His general demeanor and the lack of effort in the pitch seems to bother a majority of fans, from what I have read online. And the whole world knows we chased this guy for years, and right now, it looks like we did all that for nothing.

He was brought in as a right winger, then shifted to the left and now people are discussing whether he should be playing in the Bruno role. He is young, and if he recaptures his old form, we can go places, but if he doesn’t sort it out quickly, he could find himself in the chopping block.
 

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He doesn't need our support, he just needs to work hard and the fans will be behind him, no one supported Dalot, a lot of people would be ok if he was sold, but he worked hard and now the fans love him, if Sancho wants to get the support, it is simple, he has to prove he worth supporting, the fact he is a Manchester United player does not grant him eternal support.
I agree with this. IMO Rashford done more than any player post fergie( with the exception of de gea) and nobody here can dispute that he is one of the most criticized in this forum. His performances were a disgrace last season and he has evaporated whatever goodwill he had with me at least. The point is, people could at least point to some point in his career with us where he looked like something. With Sancho, it has not happened yet. Right now, he looks like yet another expensive flop in a long list post fergie.

We have a good manager now, a squad that is beginning to resemble something, and Sancho has to overcome whatever demons he has to peform to his capability. That’s what I want and I hope we can see the Sancho that terrorized the bundesliga for an extended period post the World Cup.
 

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Well intentioned thread, agree with the sentiment.

He will have loads of people telling him what he needs to do right now, all telling him slightly different. Hopefully he listens to ETH and someone he trusts, and the rest of us give him some space to get back to what he can be.
Yeah, I’ve been critical of Sancho lately but I need to remember he’s a young man still. I think his first season took a toll on his confidence. Good luck to him.
 

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Jadon`s only 22, had to adjust back to English football after the German league, came into an unstable Manchester United with all the accompanying problems - give the lad time and support. He`s still one of the hottest young players in the Premier League on his day and he will get better along with the United team making progress under Ten Hag.

No doubt it was a bitter disappointment not to make the World Cup team but this gives him the chance for a hiatus and he will come back in the right frame of mind. Ten Hag is a great manager for him, just watch him get the best out of Jadon especially after Ronaldo is gone. I love Ronaldo but he has been a style cramper of a few of the players and with a more balanced team, Jadon will start hitting his real form again.
 

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Maguire needs our support. He is/was our captain and is now playing in the world cup
I get it that some people have been a bit cruel about Harry M but the fact is on what we have seen from him for a significant amount of his United time, he is just not good enough for the pricetag, the captaincy and the starting team.

I like Harry M and I`d love to see him show his many critics that they are wrong at Premier League level but the fact is he has been woeful given what United paid for him, his selection in the national team, being given captaincy responsbilities, and supposedly being a key part of United`s defence.

Ten Hag has been right to bench him - names shouldn`t count nor should pricetags and England team selection and most of all the United captaincy which should have been withdrawn when he failed to be a leader on and apparently off the pitch during the tumultuous seasons that hopefully United is leaving behind under Ten Hag.

To summarise Harry M whether some agree or not - he doesn`t suit the kind of highly skilled, flexible defence United need to get back to top 4 in the Premier League. He has been caught out again and again and I think it would be better for United and him to part ways. He does add something to corners and has a powerful physical presence when he is at his best but technically he won`t get better.

I`d love to be proved wrong.
 

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People are struggling with their gas, water and energy bills as the uk goes into a recession and we should mourn and say our prays for a guy who's paid 350k a week and can't be bothered to track back, work hard and turn up fit enough for pre season and pulls a sickie every time the heat gets turned up in the kitchen where's expected to produce after we spent over 75 million.

He'll get my support when he starts working hard and proving he's deserving of being employed by United.
 

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I get it that some people have been a bit cruel about Harry M but the fact is on what we have seen from him for a significant amount of his United time, he is just not good enough for the pricetag, the captaincy and the starting team.

I like Harry M and I`d love to see him show his many critics that they are wrong at Premier League level but the fact is he has been woeful given what United paid for him, his selection in the national team, being given captaincy responsbilities, and supposedly being a key part of United`s defence.

Ten Hag has been right to bench him - names shouldn`t count nor should pricetags and England team selection and most of all the United captaincy which should have been withdrawn when he failed to be a leader on and apparently off the pitch during the tumultuous seasons that hopefully United is leaving behind under Ten Hag.

To summarise Harry M whether some agree or not - he doesn`t suit the kind of highly skilled, flexible defence United need to get back to top 4 in the Premier League. He has been caught out again and again and I think it would be better for United and him to part ways. He does add something to corners and has a powerful physical presence when he is at his best but technically he won`t get better.

I`d love to be proved wrong.
I dont disagree, but the level of abuse is way over the top. Twitter, caf, Instagram etc is filled with literal filth about him. We all can see that he has struggled and has had some woeful performances, but we don't boo our own players at OT. It's the managers who still kept playing him and the abuse just got worse and worse. Even against fecking Iran in a 6-2 he can't escape abuse. It's insane behavior from adults
 

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A couple years ago he was England's brightest young prospect. Setting records and looking destined for greatness. Two years later he's missed out on the world cup and is sitting home watching Saka and Rashford get redemption while he struggles to find form and consistency. He's now reportedly dealing with family issues and has blacked out his social media.

We might forget he's still only 22 and right now apart from his personal circle, United fans are the only support group he's going to get. The vultures in the press and rival fans are already circling. I completely understand the criticisms about his form, effort and drive but while he's our player let's support the lad. Hes had less than twenty games under ETH and started the season quite well including a goal against the dippers. Look at how quickly opinions on a young player like Dalot has changed , Sancho can do the same if he applies the right work ethic.
You seem ideally suited to be his sweatiest and hardest working athletic supporter.
 

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I have little sympathy for extremely talented players who don't work hard. Sancho falls into that category.

Also, it's not like he's completely shite. He is contributing, it's just a matter if he's worth to keep on that wages. He's just a bit meh player who I think we can sell for decent price, what I would consider if there's an offer, but if not then I have no problem with him staying really.
 

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I think there is an idea going around that footballers are like kids and fans are like stern daddies who must not spoil the kids, and whose rebuke is pedagogically important for the kid. This is a faulty idea, because fans are not like daddies in any way imaginable. Fans are more akin to a mob in the schoolyard.

The other fault withvyhe idea is that kids of supportive parents generally do much better in top sports than kids of rebuking parents.
 

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I dont disagree, but the level of abuse is way over the top. Twitter, caf, Instagram etc is filled with literal filth about him. We all can see that he has struggled and has had some woeful performances, but we don't boo our own players at OT. It's the managers who still kept playing him and the abuse just got worse and worse. Even against fecking Iran in a 6-2 he can't escape abuse. It's insane behavior from adults
I think a fair proportion of the unacceptable abuse levelled at Harry by non United fans is to do with the fact he is a United player which accentuates the irrationality behind it.

Regarding United fans` derision which isn`t always abuse, I do think a lot of it boils down to the fact that Manchester United`s title and important silverware winning teams under Sir Alex were distinguished by mental toughness and lack of sulking/retreating into their shell when things weren`t going well. David Beckham was the flash cockney who was photographed stepping out with Victoria in matching clothes as well as getting into high stakes PR after he became an item with her.

But nobody could ever say Beckham wasn`t as tough as old boots and tougher on the pitch even when he copped the most vile abuse I have ever heard of in the English league when some Pos yelled out he hoped David`s son would get cancer. Actually I think it was even worse - he said he hoped Brooklyn would die of cancer.

Even when he was subjected to rabid mob abuse and media abuse when he made that mistake of flicking the Argentinian player with the edge of his boot after being shoved around, Beckham kept working on the pitch to drive United to success. Of course he had the likes of Keano, Giggsy and the Nevilles around him but his will to win was powered by a grittiness and work ethic that we haven`t seen from so many United players post Sir Alex.

The trouble with the likes of Harry M and too many others who are supposed to be key players is precisely the lack of grit and work ethic when things go wrong. He and others have dropped their heads and that plus their defeatist or sulky body language when things don`t go their way on the pitch is a recipe for alienating United supporters.

Sir Alex didn`t care about names on the team list if they had bad attitudes including being unprepared to work for each other and do the max and being defeatist. Ten Hag has shown signs of having a similar attitude and benching names who don`t deliver or at least don`t look willing to keep working when things don`t go their way and Harry needs to find a new club if he doesn`t want to do everything necessary to meet the standards any United supporter knows should be normal at the club.
 

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People are struggling with their gas, water and energy bills as the uk goes into a recession and we should mourn and say our prays for a guy who's paid 350k a week and can't be bothered to track back, work hard and turn up fit enough for pre season and pulls a sickie every time the heat gets turned up in the kitchen where's expected to produce after we spent over 75 million.

He'll get my support when he starts working hard and proving he's deserving of being employed by United.
QFT. He can afford every support and help possible and obviously chose the path of being a figure of public life. We have far more pressing problems than overpaid sports people in this world.
 

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Yeah, as clever as you are trying to be with this passive aggressive reply. I asked you to reflect on if people you know called you shit and constantly said you needed to prove yourself.. is that the best way to get the most out of you?
Do you really think people in Sancho inner circle call him shit? I mean the "Fans" are not "people you know", the "people you know" for Sancho are his family and friends, his agents/managers, Ten Hag, teammates and colleagues, these are the ones in his inner circle and normally you would hope they support him constantly, but the fans whether on the pitch, online, or anywhere else, they won't support him for ever, he needs to deliver and perform to get the fans fully behind him, hopefully Sancho does that.
 

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I think you've made a legitimate point. Support doesn't last forever and isn't unconditional and I've said neither in the opening post.

My point is consider the current circumstances of his career( dropped for club and country, new manager, three managers in his first 15 months at a new club ) and personal life . Right now is when young players need the support not when they're killing it , winning everything, playing amazing. United fans are generally patient and kind to their players and I hope we support Sancho like we normally do.
Agreed, for now, I think a lot of the fans are still behind him, hopefully post WC break, he is raring to go.
 

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There was a poster having a go in the Sancho thread the other day. Why is it so hard to support a young player?
 

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There was a poster having a go in the Sancho thread the other day. Why is it so hard to support a young player?
I think part of it these days is the massive amount of money professional footballers are paid. To those who earn such money for even bench warming, much more is expected.

Coupled with the fact that it is far harder for people to work their way up in life compared to when the workforce of full time work with paid leave and enough salary to finance home owning or a good chance at it was growing, post secondary education became cheaper, government policies actually faciliated some social mobility and there wasn`t all the outsourcing of work, an economy with far more unstable jobs with no benefits and simply your pay starts when you start work and that`s all, etc. That makes it harder for many of the public to be understanding of the pressures of being a professional sportsperson.

The other side of this of course is the constant media and other scrutiny, the stress of having to be constantly on point when you perform in front of thousands on the pitch and millions watching elsewhere whether live or at a later date. And the fact that even if you are financially set for life, your job of being a sports player is over much earlier than is the case with other jobs. Not forgetting the long term physical damage caused by professional sport playing as well.
 
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