Sandro Tonali

[goldenboy]

They bought him for 60m and he's cracked on since then

Season-long gambling ban and an underwhelming current season is having "cracked on"?

 

[2 man midfield]

Maybe next summer when he's going into his last year, as a supplement to an already strong midfield - I could see that. But this summer we need to get the foundations of a good midfield sorted first.

 

[Teja]

He's under contract till 2028, Newcastle will ask for £100m+ if he goes this summer, won't be viable due to that I think.

It sounds like both the player and the agent are ready to kick up some fuss to get him a move this summer.

Not sure how much we want to get involved with that but Newcastle will probably sell.

 

[Fracture90]

Sadly I don't see us getting him for 60m. They bought him for 60m and he's cracked on since then.

Yeah, especially considering the whole Isak saga.

 

[Ekeke]

Sadly I don't see us getting him for 60m. They bought him for 60m and he's cracked on since then.

Nah he's worse than he was at Milan. They paid for potential and he hasnt been as good so thats why hes not worth more.

Other teams can overspend on players too, not just us. I dont know why posters seem to ignore that

 

[NLunited]

Sadly I don't see us getting him for 60m. They bought him for 60m and he's cracked on since then.

There should be a cnut discount.

 

[Zumbi]

Nah he's worse than he was at Milan. They paid for potential and he hasnt been as good so thats why hes not worth more.

Other teams can overspend on players too, not just us. I dont know why posters seem to ignore that

But the transfer market has become massively inflated since they bought him in 2023, so I don’t think there’s any chance Newcastle are going to sell him for less than what they bought him for.

 

[golden_blunder]

It sounds like both the player and the agent are ready to kick up some fuss to get him a move this summer.

Not sure how much we want to get involved with that but Newcastle will probably sell.

Isak kicked up a fuss and look how much he cost

 

[Ish]

Nah he's worse than he was at Milan. They paid for potential and he hasnt been as good so thats why hes not worth more.

Other teams can overspend on players too, not just us. I dont know why posters seem to ignore that

He scored a couple of goals, remember!

 

[Poborsky's hair]

I remember scouting him on YT when he still played for Brescia, excellent long range passer, too mobile for him to stay and sit deep as a no6 only but good enough to play that role if needed. I'd say he's quite similar to James Garner and a profile of a player we'd be happy about. Just not sure baout his contract situation and for how much he'd be available for...

What about his betting ban, would he pass our recruitment requirements/high standards regarding character and mentality?

 

[croadyman]

I remember scouting him on YT when he still played for Brescia, excellent long range passer, too mobile for him to stay and sit deep as a no6 only but good enough to play that role if needed. I'd say he's quite similar to James Garner and a profile of a player we'd be happy about. Just not sure baout his contract situation and for how much he'd be available for...

What about his betting ban, would he pass our recruitment requirements/high standards regarding character and mentality?

Would like to believe that ban proved to be a lesson for him but you can never be sure about that.

 

[devilish]

Tonali has a contract till 2029. Newcastle doesn't need the money and while they'll sell in the end they'll do it on their terms. I understand the lure of signing him but I doubt that we'll get him

 

[Zumbi]

Tonali has a contract till 2029. Newcastle doesn't need the money and while they'll sell in the end they'll do it on their terms. I understand the lure of signing him but I doubt that we'll get him

Agreed, can’t see it happening.

 

[devilish]

Agreed, can’t see it happening.

Honestly if our new admin can only come out with names like Tonali, Wharton, Anderson and Baleba then I'd have them sacked. A 15 year old EPL enthusiast can come out with such names.

 

[croadyman]

Honestly if our new admin can only come out with names like Tonali, Wharton, Anderson and Baleba then I'd have them sacked. A 15 year old EPL enthusiast can come out with such names.

Nothing wrong with signing PL players, hasn't worked out too shabbily with Mbeumo and Cunha. I will admit the contract until 2029 does make signing him highly unlikely though. On the other hand hearing Whitwell on Stretford Paddock confirm interest is a positive.

 

[devilish]

Nothing wrong with signing PL players, hasn't worked out too shabbily with Mbeumo and Cunha. I will admit the contract until 2029 does make signing him highly unlikely though. On the other hand hearing Whitwell on Stretford Paddock confirm interest is a positive.

I was one of the few who wanted United to break the bank on Declan Rice. He was at the right age, his performances on the pitch was consistently solid and his stats at the time were amazing (distance covered, interceptions, passing rate etc). If we sign Tonali and Anderson I'd be happy as a bunny. Unfortunately those duo would cost us around 200m. We can't afford that. I fear that we need to take more risks like we did with Dorgu and Lammens.

 

[goldenboy]

Nothing wrong with signing PL players, hasn't worked out too shabbily with Mbeumo and Cunha.

Mbeumo and Cunha were more proven and shining more for their respective teams than any of the PL midfielders mentioned there, or who will likely be available in the market this summer, aside from arguably Anderson (though he's looked a tad tired of late, and could be City bound anyway).

I was one of the few who wanted United to break the bank on Declan Rice. He was at the right age, his performances on the pitch was consistently solid and his stats at the time were amazing (distance covered, interceptions, passing rate etc). If we sign Tonali and Anderson I'd be happy as a bunny.

Neither of them are starring as much as Rice was before he left West Ham.

 

[Stickz]

He's under contract till 2028, Newcastle will ask for £100m+ if he goes this summer, won't be viable due to that I think.

maybe he has a "no CL qualification" exit clause.

 

[devilish]

Mbeumo and Cunha were more proven and shining more for their respective teams than any of the PL midfielders mentioned there, or who will likely be available in the market this summer, aside from arguably Anderson (though he's looked a tad tired of late, and could be City bound anyway).



Neither of them are starring as much as Rice was before he left West Ham.

Declan rice was a no brainer. He was young, mobile, he read the game brilliantly, he had the physical attributes, the attitude and the leadership skills needed to succeed. Neither tonali nor Anderson has the complete package. However together they would provide an excellent CM pair. The problem lay in the price. We can't afford that

 

[DJ_21]

I mean I get why we’re targeting prem players as their proven players. But that doesn’t mean anything.. Cherki from Lyon is shining in the prem with city. We have scouts for a reason, not just to raid your own league… we need to be looking in the French league and finding the next Kante, or Spanish league and finding the next Iniesta.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I mean I get why we’re targeting prem players as their proven players. But that doesn’t mean anything.. Cherki from Lyon is shining in the prem with city. We have scouts for a reason, not just to raid your own league… we need to be looking in the French league and finding the next Kante, or Spanish league and finding the next Iniesta.

How about examples from our own club. Lammens and DeLigt. Maz, Yoro and Seckonto a slightly lesser extent.

There’s nothing to suggest we would only buy players from the PL.

 

[DJ_21]

How about examples from our own club. Lammens and DeLigt. Maz, Yoro and Seckonto a slightly lesser extent.

There’s nothing to suggest we would only buy players from the PL.

True, but it seems to be what we’re targeting. I mean Cunha and Mbeumo have worked out well. We want either Wharton, Anderson and Baleba. Don’t think we’ve been linked with any European midfielders?

 

[Oranges038]

If Newcastle don't qualify for the CL and Utd do, I'd sign try to him.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

True, but it seems to be what we’re targeting. I mean Cunha and Mbeumo have worked out well. We want either Wharton, Anderson and Baleba. Don’t think we’ve been linked with any European midfielders?

I think it’s fairly clear we will buy 2 midfielders. I don’t see us buying two of those, with the associated costs.

I would assume we are also looking at players across Europe.

 

[Cassidy]

I think it’s fairly clear we will buy 2 midfielders. I don’t see us buying two of those, with the associated costs.

I would assume we are also looking at players across Europe.

I think we’ll sign 2 of those if we can like how we did with Cunha and Mbeumo. And a third from Europe if Ugarte goes

 

[Ekeke]

I think we’ll sign 2 of those if we can like how we did with Cunha and Mbeumo. And a third from Europe if Ugarte goes

We were able to sign Mbeumo and Cunha because they cost £60-65 million and we were competing with only Spurs

All the speculation is that their clubs value them a lot higher and due to being younger players presumed to have more potential more of the big clubs are likely to bid for them unlike with Mbeumo and Cunha. So most likely we'll pay up a fee above Cunha and Mbeumo for whoever our first choice out of the list is. And then we'll spend less on a 2nd player if we do indeed sign another. It'll be a squad player anyway as Mainoo will now be expected to start.

 

[croadyman]

We were able to sign Mbeumo and Cunha because they cost £60-65 million and we were competing with only Spurs

All the speculation is that their clubs value them a lot higher and due to being younger players presumed to have more potential more of the big clubs are likely to bid for them unlike with Mbeumo and Cunha. So most likely we'll pay up a fee above Cunha and Mbeumo for whoever our first choice out of the list is. And then we'll spend less on a 2nd player if we do indeed sign another. It'll be a squad player anyway as Mainoo will now be expected to start.

We simply have to sign two midfielders, ideally one in the mould of a box to box CM and other more of a controller

 

[croadyman]

Declan rice was a no brainer. He was young, mobile, he read the game brilliantly, he had the physical attributes, the attitude and the leadership skills needed to succeed. Neither tonali nor Anderson has the complete package. However together they would provide an excellent CM pair. The problem lay in the price. We can't afford that

I wanted us to sign Rice, however I'm sure I remember reading that he didn't want to move out of London but could be completely wrong on that

 

[devilish]

I wanted us to sign Rice, however I'm sure I remember reading that he didn't want to move out of London but could be completely wrong on that

I don't recall that tbh

 

[Cassidy]

We were able to sign Mbeumo and Cunha because they cost £60-65 million and we were competing with only Spurs

All the speculation is that their clubs value them a lot higher and due to being younger players presumed to have more potential more of the big clubs are likely to bid for them unlike with Mbeumo and Cunha. So most likely we'll pay up a fee above Cunha and Mbeumo for whoever our first choice out of the list is. And then we'll spend less on a 2nd player if we do indeed sign another. It'll be a squad player anyway as Mainoo will now be expected to start.

Widely reported we were not only competing with Spurs.
We’ll see in the summer but those are the targets with Belaba seemingly already agreed on the player side.

Qualifying for UCL is obviously going to be a factor.

 

[andersj]

We were able to sign Mbeumo and Cunha because they cost £60-65 million and we were competing with only Spurs

All the speculation is that their clubs value them a lot higher and due to being younger players presumed to have more potential more of the big clubs are likely to bid for them unlike with Mbeumo and Cunha. So most likely we'll pay up a fee above Cunha and Mbeumo for whoever our first choice out of the list is. And then we'll spend less on a 2nd player if we do indeed sign another. It'll be a squad player anyway as Mainoo will now be expected to start.

You are probably right. But there is a few things that could alter that:

A) IF there is CL-football
B) Man Utd will likely «lose» the wages of Casemiro, Sancho, Maguire and Rashford. We could even make a profit on Rashford. There is also a good chance the club will be able to sell a few more players like Ugarte, Zirkzee and Hojlund.

Last summer we did not manage to get rid of any expensive players without making a loss (Antony). We managed to make a small profit on Garnacho, probably just enough to give the club a small profit after the loss on Antony.

 

[MaMa given red]

He's under contract till 2028, Newcastle will ask for £100m+ if he goes this summer, won't be viable due to that I think.

It feels like every centre midfielder that plays in the Premier league is valued at £100m+ now!

 

[Poborsky's hair]

I mean I get why we’re targeting prem players as their proven players. But that doesn’t mean anything.. Cherki from Lyon is shining in the prem with city. We have scouts for a reason, not just to raid your own league… we need to be looking in the French league and finding the next Kante, or Spanish league and finding the next Iniesta.

Isnt that obvious? Our best players in years which hit the ground running are Mbeumo, Maguire, Cunha. Mount is injury prone, otherwise he'd be in the group... Cherki is gash. His longterm motivation will go down. And Pep is the only manager who could make him work hard. Its also a no risk for them at that price, he will be shifted in one window if they want. We cant afford pricks like that in the team a la Sancho.

Saying this final question is the price though, 100m for Tonali IS steep. I think 70-80m and MUFC name back in the CL for a starting CM like Anderson will be a great business. Tonali I think would be that too after negotiations. Other players, outside of our league, it's always a risk, we need to hit the ground running right away and then take punts.

You cannot go for values right away you end up with DVB, Mkhtaryan, Kagawa, Sancho etc.

For me Anderson/Tonali + Hackney/30-40mil mid/prospect from la liga or spain with the right profile (Amad) should be the way. Then RB/ fullback and we can start our season.

 

[Alan Measles]

I wanted us to sign Rice, however I'm sure I remember reading that he didn't want to move out of London but could be completely wrong on that

I remember reading that too. It might not have been true; I don't recall which news outlet said it, but I could swear that it was reported as such.

 

[goldenboy]

Isnt that obvious? Our best players in years which hit the ground running are Mbeumo, Maguire, Cunha.

I stil don't understand how people keep lumping Tonali in to this category.

Mbeumo and Cunha were starring for their teams when United signed them. They were indeed "PL proven". Tonali has not been one of Newcastle's star players. He's been mediocre this season and their fans aren't fussed about him leaving for a reasonable fee.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

I stil don't understand how people keep lumping Tonali in to this category.

Mbeumo and Cunha were starring for their teams when United signed them. They were indeed "PL proven". Tonali has not been one of Newcastle's star players. He's been mediocre this season and their fans aren't fussed about him leaving for a reasonable fee.

He started 22 out of 26 games in the Prem and played full minutes in all Champions league games but one, playing always 90 mins. In total 40 games already. If anything he's a starter for them. I cannot comment on his form. Compare his form to Wharton, Baleba or Anderson, it was not always pretty for them this year eaither.

 

[DJ_21]

Isnt that obvious? Our best players in years which hit the ground running are Mbeumo, Maguire, Cunha. Mount is injury prone, otherwise he'd be in the group... Cherki is gash. His longterm motivation will go down. And Pep is the only manager who could make him work hard. Its also a no risk for them at that price, he will be shifted in one window if they want. We cant afford pricks like that in the team a la Sancho.

Saying this final question is the price though, 100m for Tonali IS steep. I think 70-80m and MUFC name back in the CL for a starting CM like Anderson will be a great business. Tonali I think would be that too after negotiations. Other players, outside of our league, it's always a risk, we need to hit the ground running right away and then take punts.

You cannot go for values right away you end up with DVB, Mkhtaryan, Kagawa, Sancho etc.

For me Anderson/Tonali + Hackney/30-40mil mid/prospect from la liga or spain with the right profile (Amad) should be the way. Then RB/ fullback and we can start our season.

Ye but signing players in our own league also comes with a bigger price tag usually if it’s one of their most important players. Players abroad can work, I mean we made one of the best players in the world who came from a lower tier league like the Portuguese league. City have been the opposite to us… all their best players have come from abroad. The players they’ve signed from over here have been trash… Grealish, Phillips, delph. I’m a fan of signing the top players in this league, but I also want us to look for the Kantes in the lower French clubs and players we can turn great and eventually sell on for a huge profit

 

[Beachryan]

I maybe missing something, but I've never thought he's very good? Obviously not the best midfielder at Newcastle even.

Seems all agent talk.

 

[bb8]

Nah he's worse than he was at Milan. They paid for potential and he hasnt been as good so thats why hes not worth more.

Other teams can overspend on players too, not just us. I dont know why posters seem to ignore that

Yeah, Tonali seems... silly. Idk what folks are seeing in him. He's:

• Expensive: in both fee + wages (already on £150k a week apparently)
• Not particularly young. About to turn 26, so he's got 4-5 good years left you'd think, but there's no development potential or anything
• Has off-field question marks. Banned for nearly an entire season for betting on matches
• Isn't particularly good?

On the last point, his advanced stats are mediocre. He's a good dribbler, 72nd% for prog carries in the Prem. Otherwise 40th% in forward passes, 33rd% in key passes, 60th% in progressive passes. He's mediocre in almost every defensive stat (dribbled past %, possession won, aerial duals, etc.).

He seems like a prototypical bad signing to me. Big name, fairly average performance, looking for one more big payday before he starts declining. I think you stay far away and look on sadly at whichever team forks out £100M+ in wages and fees for him. Doesn't seem like a difference maker to me. He's the type Brentford or Brighton will sign someone who's essentially just as good for 1/5 or 1/10 the cost.

 

[Top_Bins]

I maybe missing something, but I've never thought he's very good? Obviously not the best midfielder at Newcastle even.

Seems all agent talk.

Must be really pleased so many are talking about it.
Such an obvious push for a better contract or club.