Ian Reus
Ended 14 years of Grand National sweepstakes
English words are fixed in the UK too.Yes, your right.
English words are fixed in the UK too.Yes, your right.
A research institute was researching viruses, shocker.And is it unfactual as well that bill Gates is the majority stakeholder of the Pirbright Institute that was granted a patent on a ‘Corona virus’ in 2018?
Anyway, i think this is enough for today.
Be safe!
And is it unfactual as well that bill Gates is the majority stakeholder of the Pirbright Institute that was granted a patent on a ‘Corona virus’ in 2018?
Anyway, i think this is enough for today.
Be safe!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20W2FBAnd is it unfactual as well that bill Gates is the majority stakeholder of the Pirbright Institute that was granted a patent on a ‘Corona virus’ in 2018?
Anyway, i think this is enough for today.
Be safe!
We can quote those straight into the misinformation thread without checking the usual dark corners of Facebook.
I didn’t say the document didn’t “exsist”You sure about that? This document did exsist you say?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200
Nah. Death coding is pretty standardised across most of the developed world. Research shows coding is pretty reliable on review.Any of you guys think it's possible for the UK government to fudge the death numbers and hide a lot of deaths from official stats like a lot of other countries do?
I really don't trust the confirmed cases number anymore since Boris is leaving a lot of cases untested, so the death number i think is the best way to judge disease progression now.
I think they haven't developed a reliable test yet, but it will be crucial.A wide scale antibody test in Wuhan would be quite useful to know, how many people really got infected in Wuhan compared to the reported numbers. It would help improve the modelling, they're trying to do now.
Your link actually confirms what i said, the link states
Wrong Berba, I think.Sorry for my loss?
Wrong poster sorry, I should of went back a few pages to double check to be honestSorry for my loss?
I was close enough thenWrong Berba, I think.
You've said that multiple times now. Any chance of, you know, actually doing that instead of spamming this actually useful thread?Enough for today!
Of course they dont. They pool advice from the heads of hospital trusts who in turn go down the chain themselves. Do you expect them to take a straw poll from random doctors?They don't speak to the people on the fecking NHS floor. They make arbitrary statements from their ivory tower.
Also, with regards the points I've bolded, and how the WHO have mentioned that the UK were going about it wrong. Now they've been proved right, I'm curious to hear why you think they're a waste of space?
Just give up dude. Ignore button exists for some reason.I didn’t say the document didn’t “exsist”
Getting closer to something I suggested back in early Feb. Cant help but think if we acted then, it would never have reached this stage of pure chaos.Just quarantine the World for a few weeks.
I believe 7-10% need hospitalization and of those 5% need an ICU bed. Figures are very fluid and Pogue found a paper that suggested ICU needs were much higher but I think (hope) that 0.35% needing an ICU bed is close.Another thing I want to know is the range of symptoms in cases. What percent get severe symptoms, how many less severe. What;s the mildest symptoms displayed by a carrier?
Enough for the week actually.Enough for today!
Jesus Christ. What have they done.So congratulations.
Some people have been defending a strategy designed to deal with a completely different virus, and pretending to have a deep understanding of the situation
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Thank you!Enough for the week actually.
Everyone, please switch back to discussing the actual subject of the thread.
Exactly, except they haven't gone down the chains appropriately and garnered the salient information...the outcome? Absolutely shite advice which leaves us in the state we're in now. Any critical care/ICU/anaesthetist worth their weight could have told them there weren't enough ICU beds, but to misrepresent this by double? Jesus.Of course they dont. They pool advice from the heads of hospital trusts who in turn go down the chain themselves. Do you expect them to take a straw poll from random doctors?
The WHO are a waste of space because if they hadnt been so toothless in the beginning a lot of countries wouldn't be in the situation they are in now. Their reputation will be permanently tarnished by this and rightly so.
Oh man. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully your mate is okay and you hear from him soon. Messed up thing about this is how much shit can be going on around the world that will hardly or never see the light of day because of the attention being elsewhere.Feck. A close mate of mine is in Cusco, Peru at the moment. Last time she messaged me was Friday. Since heard of an unrelated friend of a friend there who's trapped inside a fully booked hostel. Police and military out in the streets. They've been told there's enough food and drink for 14 days and after that they don't know. Apparently they've been randomly arresting Europeans, including pulling them out of the hostel. British Embassy is closed and phone call to Foreign and Commonwealth Office got cut off after 2 hours of no answer. Don't know where my mate is at currently. Scary as feck.
If this is the case, isn't the issue then not the government but the NHS management who have alledgedly not passed on the correct information because they have not managed to speak to frontline staff effectively?Exactly, except they haven't gone down the chains appropriately and garnered the salient information...the outcome? Absolutely shite advice which leaves us in the state we're in now. Any critical care/ICU/anaesthetist worth their weight could have told them there weren't enough ICU beds, but to misrepresent this by double? Jesus.
The Government have fecked this up royally...they're trying to save face with a significant U-turn without actually saying sorry for getting it so wrong. You can't lay all the blame on the WHO for stubborn governments trying to do their own thing. You have to admit from the start, the UK's approach has been at odds with many nearby countries.
Except they aren't going to save much face. Instead, many more people are probably going to die because of their stupidity.Exactly, except they haven't gone down the chains appropriately and garnered the salient information...the outcome? Absolutely shite advice which leaves us in the state we're in now. Any critical care/ICU/anaesthetist worth their weight could have told them there weren't enough ICU beds, but to misrepresent this by double? Jesus.
The Government have fecked this up royally...they're trying to save face with a significant U-turn without actually saying sorry for getting it so wrong. You can't lay all the blame on the WHO for stubborn governments trying to do their own thing. You have to admit from the start, the UK's approach has been at odds with many nearby countries.
NHS management has always been awful. I would lay blame on both: 1) the management for, as usual, terrible communication. 2) the Government for their treatment of the NHS and refusal to even acknowledge the WHO before now. Also the seemingly complete lack of any plan for a pandemic. It's quite clear from the information we've been receiving from the Scottish Government that nobody has ever thought this could ever happen. Even after SARS, MERS, Swine flu etc.If this is the case, isn't the issue then not the government but the NHS management who have alledgedly not passed on the correct information because they have not managed to speak to frontline staff effectively?
Thank you good sir for your timely intervention.Enough for the week actually.
Everyone, please switch back to discussing the actual subject of the thread.
I saw a YouTube video of Bill Gates talking about the affect of Spanish Flu and how this could be the biggest killer of humans in history. That was only a couple of years ago I watched it, never expected it to happen in my lifetime.
Thanks. I know she was going to some retreat in the middle of nowhere but don't know when exactly. She could be there now. I don't know if that's better or worse.Oh man. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully your mate is okay and you hear from him soon. Messed up thing about this is how much shit can be going on around the world that will hardly or never see the light of day because of the attention being elsewhere.
We were in a similar boat but were lucky to get out of Europe. UK still seem way too calm about this compared to the entire world. The public will get a rude awakening in the next two weeks. Can see riots in London whilst idiots shoplift supplies. It’s going to get messy and moaning on FB about the lack of toilet roll will be the least of their worries.Feck. A close mate of mine is in Cusco, Peru at the moment. Last time she messaged me was Friday. Since heard of an unrelated friend of a friend there who's trapped inside a fully booked hostel. Police and military out in the streets. They've been told there's enough food and drink for 14 days and after that they don't know. Apparently they've been randomly arresting Europeans, including pulling them out of the hostel. British Embassy is closed and phone call to Foreign and Commonwealth Office got cut off after 2 hours of no answer. Don't know where my mate is at currently. Scary as feck.
Sadly I think you can say this about many countries. In a perverse way, we are "lucky" that this strain isn't as bad as it could have been (with fairly low mortality rates). One has to hope that we learn from this and be better prepared in the future if and when something similar happens again - particularly if new strains are deadlier.It's quite clear from the information we've been receiving from the Scottish Government that nobody has ever thought this could ever happen. Even after SARS, MERS, Swine flu etc.
Oh Christ yeah. Didn't even think about rioting. Will only take a group of idiots to start something potentially big.We were in a similar boat but were lucky to get out of Europe. UK still seem way too calm about this compared to the entire world. The public will get a rude awakening in the next two weeks. Can see riots in London whilst idiots shoplift supplies. It’s going to get messy and moaning on FB about the lack of toilet roll will be the least of their worries.
I can get them somewhere to stay for the duration with food. Cusco, Lima or Arequita. A few different women in their 40's or 50's. They actually offered this on our page.Feck. A close mate of mine is in Cusco, Peru at the moment. Last time she messaged me was Friday. Since heard of an unrelated friend of a friend there who's trapped inside a fully booked hostel. Police and military out in the streets. They've been told there's enough food and drink for 14 days and after that they don't know. Apparently they've been randomly arresting Europeans, including pulling them out of the hostel. British Embassy is closed and phone call to Foreign and Commonwealth Office got cut off after 2 hours of no answer. Don't know where my mate is at currently. Scary as feck.
Its been clear in my mind for some time. I still remember the London riots and I was quite scared back then. I can't remember if the army was deployed back then (don't think so) but I think it is very likely that the army will be deployed at some point to try to prevent this from happening.Oh Christ yeah. Didn't even think about rioting. Will only take a group of idiots to start something potentially big.