None have had nearly the same impact as this one and this had been known about for a couple of months at least before the world started to take it seriously. I would think that we would have a plan for a really dangerous virus to appear if we were keeping an eye on the emergence of new viruses.
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You got it. It's a common but understandable misconception about ventilators. Ventilators don't treat. They are not treatment for the most part. (you can make some arguments in some cases) They support your breathing/respiratory system while you recover from your underlying illness.
We tend to keep patients on vents for 2-3 weeks while they get better. Problem is so many of these patients are not getting better and we don't really have anything to get them better. I am not hearing many cases of patients getting better enough to be taken off ventilators. Maybe it's just too early. We shall see.
Read the Twitter thread to understand why we didn't.
We were keeping an eye on the emergence of new viruses.
No chance! Admissions are down because less people are driving, drinking and are not leaving the house.
I hope this doesn’t swing around to “we are abusing the NHS”. It has been underfunded. End of.
Too strong isn't the correct term but you don't want it to be overzealous. I have experienced it myself.
It is just taking a while for the admin side to filter through. People who are doing the food shop dont have any form of ID or proof they are on their way shopping or picking up meds etc. I stopped over 50 cars in my local area yesterday afternoon and each one gave one of the valid reasons for being out. Plus the paperwork for giving the fines hasn't been given to us yet in my area. Hopefully it will iron itself out over the next few days and the fact we are randomly stopping and challenging people will make some think twice .
People not continually voting in successive Tory governments would be a start.
I don't believe you can take a supplement which will 'boost' your immune system and certainly not to the extent that it triggers an auto-immune response as described by the previous poster.
I'm not aware of any science to back this theory up which is why I was asking for a link.
that's very worrying and must be frustrating knowing that you can't really do anything to help. Are the patients able to feed and go to the bathroom or are they so ill that they are totally bedridden?
Which is something that @Cassidy already said, in the post that you quoted he was talking about the strength of an immune system in general. Supplements in isolation don't strengthen your immune system, your overall diet and it's balance will allow you to be healthier and help your immune system but that's an everyday thing and you aren't supposed to take supplements unless if for some reasons your body doesn't do it's job properly.
I never once said you could
Yes exactly, but then how do you get from there to overstimulating your immune system and creating an auto-immune response, which you both seem to be suggesting is possible?
Which crackpot theory?
No I made reference to a video in this thread which gave details about the adverse affects of an overstimulated immune system and coronavirus. I also stated that if it was beneficial for people to eat certain foods to boost their immune system then some medical expert in at least one of the leading nations would have already given this advice.
Its in a video in this thread. The one from the news broadcast from Korea, and I made reference to the video.
I did not suggest that though. I made the simple point that the immune system being strong wasn't an issue but being overzealous was.
There is no official ID in the UK. Passports and driving licences are used as proxies, but not everyone has them.
Yes, I know that - I'm British too. Most old people have something, like a bus pass which has your photo on it.
This crisis has made me really come around to having ID. The Italian identity card acts as a kind of passport within the country, and you don't have to be an Italian citizen to get one - just officially resident.
That's the part that sounds dodgy to me.
I didn't see you state anything about the advice re benefits of eating certain foods.
I agree on the second point.
It's never been proven that eating or taking supplements (unless your deficient in a certain nutrient) boosts your immune system so I don't really think there's a danger you can overstimulate it. It sounded like scare mongering to me which is why I challenged it.
Granted I haven't see the video but sure I'll never find it in this bloody thread.
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I've always believed in ID, and having to carry it, but in normal non-virus times I know very few on the Caf would agree with me.
Will happen for a while. People like the government in times of need. It’s in two weeks time this will kick off.
Very good point! Again I absolutely do not want to see the NHS privatised but you wouldn’t get people taking the piss if there was a consultation fee on arrival at A&E! The public needs a better working knowledge on health and well-being.
Bit of a moot poll considering Labour effectively has no leader, no mandate and has been effectively invisible for the last 3 months.
Yep seen little of Corbyn and he obviously feels so irrelevant now. Just the timing of that poll after the corona three tested positive.
Next election so far away they will probably still get away with the shambolic herd approach.
I think vitamin c may be one of the most studied supplements. But still, what's the best published study you've seen for safety and effectiveness?
I'd be happy to have a chip implanted in my arm, quite honestly!
Testing is only the 1st step. Its like a weighing machine. Tells me I am over-weight. Now what?
Containment is the key -- trace, track, map and isolate.
feck Tommy Robinson and his lot. What a brave man. RIP
Natural selection is about to take place in a big way. People seems to think self isolation is for everyone but them and the government only in last few days have started enforcement. Some mosques are still open...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23440782/
It's quite well established that it does have at least some effect on a cold, particularly for people carrying out intense exercise (and therefore having a depleted immune respone).
The Chinese study was something like 25,000mg daily given intravenously to Covid patients, so way beyond anything you would normally see.
Only 135 people who tested positive for this in the UK recovered (15%). I understand that's people who have been tested and are likely to be the elderly but it's still quite scary.
I thought this was quite an interesting graphic:
There's quite a long recovery time for the severely ill so those stats may just represent a bit of a lag on active cases. We should see a much higher percentage over the next few week hopefully.
With the 13 or 14 percent daily increase in deaths worldwide by next sunday there'll between 72 and 75k deaths worldwide. Crazy
That's true. Hopefully not the opposite for the thousands of mild active cases
