He's clearly not one of the forum's sharper minds is he bloody hell!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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You know it's bad when you're the one giving out to the WUMs.
Yeah exactly.
Two big schools in Michigan that probably just had a lot of students go to Florida for spring break. All those returning would go through Detroit.
I'm pissed off with the amount of Americans I know on Facebook not taking this seriously and bringing up Swine Flu all the time.
Wouldn't count on it. They said about a month ago we were going to be testing 10k a day.
That's interesting, and the replies from @Arruda and @Pexbo , thanks both. I take an ACE inhibitor, and a calcium blocker too. They keep my blood pressure low and stable, so I'll settle for that until told otherwise. My hypertension is hereditary, I've gone through every lifestyle/diet option, it takes medication to lower it.
Yes thanks, I'd read something else like that. I guess what I'm wondering is even with using the medication I assume she is higher-risk just because of her condition? I don't know much about hypertension whether there are levels of it or you just have it or you don't.
Biased by testing. The countries that have good testing stats suggest it is low risk.
no not 1 in 20. 5% of the 3.2 % end up tubed.
Hope so, it'll help me show I've been right.
The 13 deaths in a Würzburg nursing home were all 80+ and for sure all had underlying other problems...
If you want to find a reason...
In Germany only 1200 females and 1300 males that were/are tested infected are 80+!
Until now Germany did very well to keep the virus spreading into that age group. And there is no big city that seems to be a hotspot for the virus.
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I doubt that we can take the numbers of China to judge projections about deaths in Europe - just take as example obesity rates in different coutries. Or acquired immunity to different kind of drugs.
In general I think the problem with hypertension is when people don't know they have it, or it's known but can't be treated. Hopefully Mrs Grins has it under control. Happy to be corrected by the likes of @Arruda though.
You mean if I'd just called her an obese cnut I wouldn't have had the five points ??
I'll know next time....
The stats I used were from Ireland, which has much higher testing per capita than the UK. I'm not sure what you mean by "good testing stats" in that context.
Yes it's definitely under control thanks to the medication. Like you it's hereditary but being over-weight is something she can control so I think this virus is abaout as good a motivator for a diet and exercise programme as one could hope for. I'm running and doing a bunch of exercise myself so I'm taking it seriously.
There are grades of hypertension, which determine the treatment. And most pre-existing systemic condition like diabetes, hypertension, etc, will make the person higher-risk.
How to stratify it and quantify it is the problem, and will likely take some time until research can start ironing out tgese things. Presumably someone with well-controlled hypertension will be at lower risk.
I must state that I have little clinical experience in comparison with most doctors, as I have spent most of my short career in Pathology (cancer - and other selected diseases - diagnosis). I'm also not very up-to-date in Covid-19 treatment or other clinical aspects of the disease. I've mostly focused on epidemiology and Public Health policy.
Started working last Friday on vigilance teams, so as I get more and more in depth (and "insider") knowledge of the situation in Azores, I also have less time to focus on global aspects of the disease.
Jaysus man, know when to wind your neck in
I appreciate your efforts as do the rest of us.
Like I said, I've stressed that she contact her own doctor to find out what her risk-level is. It sounds to me like it's not something to stress about.
Jaysus man, know when to wind your neck in
You're right.
My sense of humour isn't always on the same wavelength as some of the Mods....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52035604
To be tested in Ireland now you’d need to have two major symptoms so there’s likely thousands of people with mild cases who were never tested and recovered. I’ve also read that potentially 20-50% of cases may be asymptomatic.
Studies reveals that Covid-10 is found in urine, feces and blood. Although at this stage nobody knows if you can get high enough viral loads to get infected through any of these, it seems it can't be ruled out either.
A statement in a Norwegian newspaper about the topic:
"Doctor and specialist in medical microbiology, Péter A. Csángó, believe it is important not to rule out the dangers of the possibility that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 can infect via feces. A thorough scientific approach is required. If the virus infects via feces, one must look to what extent it infects through water, says Csángó. ..And - if it does infect via water, just imagine the consequence, he adds."
I add the norwegian article as source to verify that this is not something I made up, also another link from JAMA that shows they have found Covid-19 in urine, blood and feces.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/finner-viruset-i-avforing/72295964
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762997
Still a lot we do not know about this virus. Hopefully viral loads is not high enough to infect through water contamination etc, but one should at least be very wary of toilets, imo.
A statement in a Norwegian newspaper about the topic:
"Doctor and specialist in medical microbiology, Péter A. Csángó, believe it is important not to rule out the dangers of the possibility that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 can infect via feces. A thorough scientific approach is required. If the virus infects via feces, one must look to what extent it infects through water, says Csángó. ..And - if it does infect via water, just imagine the consequence, he adds."
I add the norwegian article as source to verify that this is not something I made up, also another link from JAMA that shows they have found Covid-19 in urine, blood and feces.
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/finner-viruset-i-avforing/72295964
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762997
Still a lot we do not know about this virus. Hopefully viral loads is not high enough to infect through water contamination etc, but one should at least be very wary of toilets, imo.
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Yes, that is the case since the 25th. The stats I posted were released on the 26th, collated from all the tests prior to the change in criteria.
What's happened to Italy's stats after the 20th?
The Police would lose a nationwide push. Very quickly.
The point is the number of confirmed cases in Ireland is an underestimate and probably a large one. It’s misleading to look at what percentage of those who died or ended up in hospital from only the confirmed cases.
British people are some of the most obedient and subservient to government in Europe, I don’t know why people imagine we’re some country of closet revolutionaries.
Sure, many more people died from Swine Flu than this, but there are still valid parallels
It's bizarre. People have this idea that everyone will lose the head and run riot.
It doesn't happen. In times of crisis people generally look after out for each other and follow the rules.
Christ. WUM's are the ones spreading doom. I'm one of the ones trying to look at the situation and not get people shitting themselves.
Pretty much this. Although I'd say civilised too. The vast majority are adhering to the lock down with minimal enforcement and are praising the police. I don't see why this would escalate to rioting at this point but if it did, as in previous years, it would be quelled in a couple weeks max.
My Police comment was a p1ss take.
If, in 2 months people are still inside, and food starts to run short... there will be riots though. Without question.
Where the feck did you get the idea that 5% of the hospitalized go to ICU? Are you making it up as you go? I don't know the real number, but that is an absurdly low estimate.
On the surface it looks like 20-40%.
We can use the figures for Occitanie. Currently 1823 people have been tested positive, 697 are hospitalized and 210 are in ICU/reanimation. So around here it's closer to 30% than 5%.
So what are you saying then, you agree with them?
Question for the experts: why do all of the curve models assume that the ICU capacity is static? Surely if the peak can be delayed by 4-6 months this gives time to increase ICU capacity by converting standard wards to ICUs?
You don't seem to think that Swine Flu was very serious?
What are you on about?
So it wasn't a piss-take?
You're saying that people are comparing Covid to Swine Flu. I'm saying that just because Covid hasn't killed anywhere near as many people yet, it could do in time so the comparisons are not ridiculous.What are you on about?
And that's without the army even getting out of bed. Plus if ever there were a call for volunteers for a militia there would be literally millions in the queue.
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