Was it confirmed to be human-to-human (the person who died in China a week or two ago)?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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I think there are supposed to be at least 150 animal coronaviruses. And I think that all of them are dangerous because we have next to no immunity against them, so there are good chances we will see outbreaks every decade or so. In reality, we had 3 novel coronaviruses in this century, so surely we will have more (though hopefully we will be better prepared and contain them like we did with SARS and MERS).
It's pretty damn serious, though there is a difference between diseases like silicosis (coal miners get it), idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis or sarcoidosis (unknown causes) which affect the entire lungs, and fibrosis resulting from infection which is usually localized to the areas that were more seriously hit. It happens a lot in tuberculosis, and I think to some extent in viral pneumonias. A small area of fibrosis will not be noticeable from a functional point of view.
I think I read few weeks back they were hard at work with a vaccine for SARS but stopped as soon as the virus basically fell of the face of earth.
I can't see them making that same mistake again even if this one makes a unlikely sudden disapperance.
Apparently new zealand have done extremely well with quarantine and elimination. Another success for female leadership.
I don't know about that one but I don't think so. The first recorded human to human transmission was in the 2000s in the Andes I believe. If I'm not mistaken it's the only one that you can get from someone with the illness.
So is this something being deployed in the COVID battle do you know? Or something that's maybe done for the young ones with a better chance?
Oh ffs - are you serious with this shit?
So France, which I had the impression had introduced severe, and certainly more restrictive than the UK, lockdown measures early on in the country's cycle, now seems to be suffering as bad as anyone. 1,417 reported lost their fight in the last 24 hours 
They had included the figures from care homes a few days ago, which gave an anomulous figure, perhaps this is also that effect being included?
They had included the figures from care homes a few days ago, which gave an anomulous figure, perhaps this is also that effect being included?
But...there is no erosion of civil liberties when you actually take a minute to sit back and think for a moment. What's happened is a temporary measure to protect you, not some crackpot tinfoil hat shit to take your freedom away from you.
Are you in the UK, finneh? If so, what freedoms have you really given up? You can go to the shops and go out and about a bit. You can order takeaway food, sit at home, watch TV, have a drink. You've not had your front door welded shut.
When things are under control, everything will be relaxed, people can go out anywhere they want, they can go back to work, go out to the pub, to restaurants, to see their friends and family. I'm thinking of the last world war - people lived under enormous restrictions for years and years, million of ordinary men were sent to fight. And then it all went back to normal.
When things are under control, everything will be relaxed, people can go out anywhere they want, they can go back to work, go out to the pub, to restaurants, to see their friends and family. I'm thinking of the last world war - people lived under enormous restrictions for years and years, million of ordinary men were sent to fight. And then it all went back to normal.
I saw someone sitting down on a bench today.
Our society is collapsing around us.
Our society is collapsing around us.
Exactly.
In South Carolina they left access to lakes open and we had people taking boats out to islands and sandbars in the middle of lakes and throwing fecking parties.
How do the restrictions in Italy compare to the UK?
Unfortunately the virus is indiscriminate, so it's not only getting rid of the uneducated.
Are you saying its going to take years before things are back to normal?
Also, the Corona virus is allegedly something that will return seasonly, so after these restrictions, it’s not going to be the same exact same (in my opinion). They are already talking about an app that is being developed for the EU, which will track people and monitor wether you come into contact with a potential risk individual by using location information from your smartphone. This on its turn becomes a privacy issue.
At this moments many things are uncertain, one thing that is for certain, is that there will be a ‘new normal’, wether that will be normal is another question to judge when its here.
The freedom to leave your house and see your friends. Quite a biggy.
You have more faith in society than me. Experience has shown me that a small number of people will always ruin it for the majority. Time will tell if lockdowns are successful
And move the infection from one location to another. Engage brain
But when your mouth hangs open permanently, then what?
Say that out loud, consider the situation, and see if it still sounds as good as it did when you typed it.
As Benjamin Franklin once said;
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.’
Yeah, that quote doesn't mean what you think it means.
I can leave my house, although I don't like to unless I really need to. I have also seen my friends via Zoom. Whilst I would really like to be able to meet up with my friends in person and go down the pub or for a meal, I'd quite like my mates to still be around when all this is over.
Seems so! Just imagine the reaction if civil liberties were actually really threatened some day.
To be clear, what businesses do you think should have been allowed remain open but were forced to close by the government?
Pubs? restaurants? clothes shops?
Be specific.
It is not up to me to devise such a plan.
It is up to the world leaders to decide what should be done.
From my perspective, an investigation should be carried out to conclusively determine the precise cause and whether China was complicit.
In that eventuality, was China also at fault in hiding information from the WHO.
Subject to that, China should be taken to the International Court's and each country would make their case for damages.
It cannot be acceptable for China, subject to being at fault to not have to pay for the damages caused.
In the first instance, they should contribute to the funeral costs of those who died as a result of this virus.
We wouldn't have to worry about him posting about it on an internet forum, that's for sure.
Well said.
Bold is where we all should be. I have outside space so I've been pretty hardcore about not seeing anyone / going out. Only interaction has been food and essentials deliveries. Unfortunately, some people's social lives are literally rammed and they can't cope.
And what did your government do to protect you when everyone seemingly knew this was coming out of China and was apparently rather dangerous?
They did nothing.
Yeah, i dont think you know what i think that quote means..
Surely, a conflict in regards to human rights (such as privacy) and the surveillance machine of big tech companies by default (because of their business model) isnt a new subject is it?
Fears about the erosion of freedoms and civil liberties are generally very legitimate. It's therefore a shame that those who bring up these fears are so often unbearably tiresome.
It's one thing to point out that a lot of the restrictions we are currently experiencing would in normal times be deemed massively excessive and that we should be wary of the potential for them to be extended past the point where they are necessary.
It's another to woefully decry the loss of those liberties in the middle of the pandemic, pointing to the sort of restrictions that anyone with even an ounce of common sense or perspective would expect to be curtailed as a basic public health measure. It's such an unbelievably callow argument to make at a point when there are so many more pressing issues at stake.
It's one thing to point out that a lot of the restrictions we are currently experiencing would in normal times be deemed massively excessive and that we should be wary of the potential for them to be extended past the point where they are necessary.
It's another to woefully decry the loss of those liberties in the middle of the pandemic, pointing to the sort of restrictions that anyone with even an ounce of common sense or perspective would expect to be curtailed as a basic public health measure. It's such an unbelievably callow argument to make at a point when there are so many more pressing issues at stake.
The ones that think that their liberties are taken, could organize a massive demostration protesting to the government. All well packed and together, shoulder against shoulder and very sweaty
Lets see how it ends
Lets see how it ends
Hmm. We should be thanking China....
I wonder if the families of the huge number of dead will be quite as charitable as you.
I wonder if the huge number of people who will loose their jobs, or those who will ultimately pay the financial price for damage to the global economies would want to thank China.
We should use rigorous Risk Management techniques rather than tens of thousands of dead in order to prepare for such a pandemic.
Yes... its a democracy in the EU, so they will only use rubber bullets and tear gas against demonstrations..
And without them sure you will go out with that pandemic...and bring your elderly with you too. All for freedom
What has that got to do with the post.
The UK government says that it was talking action based upon the scientific advice.
How long do you think mass gatherings will be banned for after lockdown is lifted? Personally I feel additional 3 months is minimum but most likely until the end of year for 100+ people events.