SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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I went on a night out with a mate on Saturday. On Sunday it transpired that his sister has Covid (he didn't know when he was going out on the Saturday and claims he didn't even know she'd been getting tested..hmm).

He lives with his sister, so its highly likely he has it and that he's given it to me, he was even in my house drinking with me.

I rang the HSE for guidance assuming I'd need a test immediately and 2 weeks' isolation.

They told me due to capacity issues they cannot test me until my mate officially tests positive, and he can't get tested until Thursday. I was also told that I'm not required to isolate.

What the actual feck is that about?

(Disclaimer: It isn't actually me experiencing this, the 'I' in the story is a mate and the 'mate' in the story is a mate of that mate but that just made it fecking confusing to type)
Is everything you say there 100% correct? Someone who lives with someone who tested positive has to wait four days to get tested? That’s shocking, if so.

Plus the guy who “didn’t know” his sister/housemate got tested and went on the piss in someone else’s home while she was waiting for test results is an arsehole. Why are people so thick and selfish?! No wonder cases are on the up and up.
 

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Is everything you say there 100% correct? Someone who lives with someone who tested positive has to wait four days to get tested? That’s shocking, if so.

Plus the guy who “didn’t know” his sister/housemate got tested and went on the piss in someone else’s home while she was waiting for test results is an arsehole. Why are people so thick and selfish?! No wonder cases are on the up and up.
Unfortunately yeah, its a 4 day wait. Not sure how he's going about isolating himself from his own sister in the meantime or what's happening there.

And yes I'm sure he know and he is an arsehole. Hence why he's a mate of a mate rather than a mate!
 

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Here we go again.

'I'm afraid it's coming' - WHO warns UK as PM plans changes to restrictions

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ificant-intervention-from-deputy-cmo-12066341
Feck me the UK rules are complicated, no wonder nobody pays attention. Every week they change and they're different depending where you are. "Household gathering limit to be cut" next.

Here it was simple. Don't go outside other than to your nearest supermarket. As things began to open up it changed to always wear a mask when you are outside your house. Everybody could follow. Only now are they getting a bit vague by saying you need to wear a mask after 6pm but only if you're in a 'busy' area - and lo and behold nobody listens.
 

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How in the fcuking world are we running out of testing capability in the Uk? That’s a huge concern.
 

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I went on a night out with a mate on Saturday. On Sunday it transpired that his sister has Covid (he didn't know when he was going out on the Saturday and claims he didn't even know she'd been getting tested..hmm).

He lives with his sister, so its highly likely he has it and that he's given it to me, he was even in my house drinking with me.

I rang the HSE for guidance assuming I'd need a test immediately and 2 weeks' isolation.

They told me due to capacity issues they cannot test me until my mate officially tests positive, and he can't get tested until Thursday. I was also told that I'm not required to isolate.

What the actual feck is that about?

(Disclaimer: It isn't actually me experiencing this, the 'I' in the story is a mate and the 'mate' in the story is a mate of that mate but that just made it fecking confusing to type)
I'm pretty surprised by this. Anyone I know who's wanted a test has gotten them really quick. Supposedly you just get an automated text that says when and where, you go, and then an automated response a day later with the results (well, if you're negative, anyway). Seemed pretty painless from what they showed me. Maybe a lot more people are getting tested now than a few weeks ago?

on another note, the pubs are reopening, woohoo! Let's put the session into recession baby!
 

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Biggest farce in human history, and I everyone's to blame. Panicking idiots, useless government, appalling media coverage, and the majority of the rest just going along with it all as any of it is reasonable and thought out. Pathetic.
 

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Logic and the available data strongly suggest that the ECDC will be likely be proven wrong. Could I be wrong? Of course I could although I doubt I will be, and it will just be a matter of degree, as we don't have enough data yet to be sure. Although ...
That’s what gets me, I just can’t see any possibly logic in what the ECDC are claiming. We know schools are famously incubators for spreading disease because kids are naturally irresponsible, so unless kids can’t catch the virus (which we know isn’t true) or somehow magically can’t pass it on to others (which also seems nonsensical) then how can schools not be a super high risk factor for spreading Covid? It just seems bizarre. Especially considering how many kids are looked after by elderly people.
 

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That’s what gets me, I just can’t see any possibly logic in what the ECDC are claiming. We know schools are famously incubators for spreading disease because kids are naturally irresponsible, so unless kids can’t catch the virus (which we know isn’t true) or somehow magically can’t pass it on to others (which also seems nonsensical) then how can schools not be a super high risk factor for spreading Covid? It just seems bizarre. Especially considering how many kids are looked after by elderly people.
Agreed. Wishful thinking I suspect. Which is always crap science.
 

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Irelands leaked numbers
Today’s leaked numbers — 308 cases. 181 of them in Dublin

Get those pints in when they reopen lads, its all going to shit
 

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Irelands leaked numbers
Today’s leaked numbers — 308 cases. 181 of them in Dublin

Get those pints in when they reopen lads, its all going to shit
Again, the important thing is deaths, ICU numbers, hospital admissions etc. when have all remained low and stable throughout the rise in cases. Plus it's always higher on a Tuesday. We all knew there would be an increase as we opened up and schools went back, it's fine.

We should be able to now cope with similar numbers to March/April (and we had a much lower testing capacity then so even then it's not overly comparable). We've had six months to prepare for this eventuality. Obviously if the hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed we will have to start closing again, but hopefully it doesn't come to that.
 

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Again, the important thing is deaths, ICU numbers, hospital admissions etc. when have all remained low and stable throughout the rise in cases. Plus it's always higher on a Tuesday. We all knew there would be an increase as we opened up and schools went back, it's fine.

We should be able to now cope with similar numbers to March/April (and we had a much lower testing capacity then so even then it's not overly comparable). We've had six months to prepare for this eventuality. Obviously if the hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed we will have to start closing again, but hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Its the not being able to contain it and community transmissions Im worried about. All if that is grand if we can keep it at 300 but we are as likely to keep it at 300 as 0. I can see 1k a day again by Christmas, I jist dont know how we can slow it
 

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Leaked from where? Sure this isn’t another whatsapp rumour?
Boards.ie
A poster there has been correct with their mid day nunbers everytime, its a genuine leak.
Theyve only been out when cases have been added or taken away in the afternoon which rarely happens due to the success rate
 

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Its the not being able to contain it and community transmissions Im worried about. All if that is grand if we can keep it at 300 but we are as likely to keep it at 300 as 0. I can see 1k a day again by Christmas, I jist dont know how we can slow it
if it is 1,000 a day again then we need to be able to handle it. Like I said, they've had plenty of time to prepare for that possibility. Obviously the big unknown is flu season and cold weather.
 

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This is probably a really dumb question but wouldnt one take control and not allow the other to get a hold?
From what I know and it isn't much I admit you can have both, clinical picture is similar for both and it would be a too much of an attack on organism as a whole. That's why its important to vaccine for flu.
 

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Some very early, but worrying initial signals in the English hospital admissions data - seems to have been creeping up for the last week. If (maybe a big if) that accelerates over the next 1-2 weeks, there's going to need to be some stronger interventions to keep things under control. My hope is that this turns out to be a short-lived bump, from lots of people coming back off their summer holidays, but that kind of relies on people being sensible once they're back.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
 

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second wave is well and truly growing in UK. Will surely translate into increased deaths within a few weeks.

 

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Some very early, but worrying initial signals in the English hospital admissions data - seems to have been creeping up for the last week. If (maybe a big if) that accelerates over the next 1-2 weeks, there's going to need to be some stronger interventions to keep things under control. My hope is that this turns out to be a short-lived bump, from lots of people coming back off their summer holidays, but that kind of relies on people being sensible once they're back.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Hate to say it but isn’t it much more likely this is being driven by return to work/schools? (plus general dicking about by people bored of social distancing)


I’ve always assumed the absolute numbers of people bringing the virus across borders must be a lot lower than those spreading it around within the UK.
 

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if it is 1,000 a day again then we need to be able to handle it. Like I said, they've had plenty of time to prepare for that possibility. Obviously the big unknown is flu season and cold weather.
You keep trying to imply that this is all down to the HSE to keep a lid on. If the cases go exponential it’s all their fault. Unfortunately there’s feck all they can do if the Irish people don’t do what they’re being asked to do. And it looks like they aren’t.
 

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You keep trying to imply that this is all down to the HSE to keep a lid on. If the cases go exponential it’s all their fault. Unfortunately there’s feck all they can do if the Irish people don’t do what they’re being asked to do. And it looks like they aren’t.
:confused: That is exactly what you said yesterday though?
We’re in a much better place now so even if cases get as high as they did in March/April I think we’ll muddle through without a national lockdown.
I'm not sure what I said that implies it's all the fault of the HSE.
 

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:confused: That is exactly what you said yesterday though?

I'm not sure what I said that implies it's all the fault of the HSE.
It’s when you said “they’ve had plenty of time” as though that’s “their” responsibility to keep cases down. I’m probably nit-picking. And me saying we’ll muddle through without a lockdown was about as optimistic as I get in this thread!
 

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UK figures - 30 deaths, 2,420 cases
Deaths on the rise with cases. Not good. I know you’d usually expect that but France and Spain have been in the 5-7000 new for a few weeks with less daily deaths than that.
 

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Hate to say it but isn’t it much more likely this is being driven by return to work/schools? (plus general dicking about by people bored of social distancing)


I’ve always assumed the absolute numbers of people bringing the virus across borders must be a lot lower than those spreading it around within the UK.
Schools have only been back a few days, so I don't think we'd see that effect yet anyway. Contact tracing in Bolton, where everything's going to hell, has apparently traced a lot of cases to people socialising in pubs (shock!) so Bolton's pubs are going to have to close at 10pm, and their restaurants are going to takeaway only. Fortunately, there isn't an easily accessible major city on Bolton's doorstep where all the locals can go instead... (oh, wait...). My vague hope was that people were having one last big end-of-summer night out before they get back to work, and might start being sensible again. Even as I write this, I'm writing it off as stupidly optimistic.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...n-lockdown-measures-local-introduced-18898606
 

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second wave is well and truly growing in UK. Will surely translate into increased deaths within a few weeks.

Seems like the perfect time for everyone to be shoved back into their offices.
 

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Seems like the perfect time for everyone to be shoved back into their offices.
and schools!

Despite children have very low fatality rates, some will still die. Anyone know what the estimate deaths will be, because of going back to school?
 
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Deaths on the rise with cases. Not good. I know you’d usually expect that but France and Spain have been in the 5-7000 new for a few weeks with less daily deaths than that.
I think there's a fair old weekend effect in that number. English hospitals only announced 8 new deaths today.
 
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and schools!

Despite children have very low fatality rates, some still die. Anyone know what the estimate deaths will be, because of going back to school?
Not a single school kid has died here in Sweden and we kept schools open the entire time, even the Stockholm hotspots.
So I don’t think that’s a legitimate worry.
It’s also a fact that young kids are more at risk from catching and dying from influenza in school.
 

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It’s when you said “they’ve had plenty of time” as though that’s “their” responsibility to keep cases down. I’m probably nit-picking. And me saying we’ll muddle through without a lockdown was about as optimistic as I get in this thread!
But it's a true statement. And by they I wasn't specifically referring to the HSE but everyone involved. Not sure what the issue is.
 

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Not a single school kid has died here in Sweden and we kept schools open the entire time, even the Stockholm hotspots.
So I don’t think that’s a legitimate worry.
It’s also a fact that young kids are more at risk from catching and dying from influenza in school.
Oh wow. So it’s a virtual 0% risk for school age children? Is that corroborated across the world?
 
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Hate to say it but isn’t it much more likely this is being driven by return to work/schools? (plus general dicking about by people bored of social distancing)


I’ve always assumed the absolute numbers of people bringing the virus across borders must be a lot lower than those spreading it around within the UK.
Haven’t the UK, Ireland and a host of other countries been on a gradual upwards curve since just a few weeks post lockdown?
This just feels like exactly what we knew was coming.