You are wasting your time discussing with him mate . Some people don`t want to understand and it is one of the reasons we are in a mess now.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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All week Penna, a mate works in the Co op and said there are still loads of people that come to the shop 2 or 3 times a day just to get out . Very often older folk that live alone too which isn`t ideal.
Just to remind you of the Welsh first ministers logic, it was only in September did he feel it was necessary to make face coverings in retail mandatory, despite waves of evidence strongly suggesting the positive impact it makes in those environments. To suggest he’s capable of good decision making puts him in the clueless camp with Boris and Hancock.
I also agree that he got it wrong there but that has nothing to do with the discussion you were having with Mickeza .
Also, to the point on non-essential retail, SAGE's opinion on it's impact to the R rate this month:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/925856/S0770_NPIs_table__pivot_.pdf
Fair enough, enjoy your break.
So much for the regional approach working out in Italy. Or the idea that the north / south divide and the economic effects being felt particularly harshly in historically disadvantaged areas was being kept under control. Likewise for the idea that there's something uniquely wrong with young people in the UK that were intolerant to the restrictions and their effects.
Maybe we should listen to them.
What do you mean by the last sentence? I’m sure there’s a hell of a lot of Italians with different opinions to those that took to the streets. And I’m sure they would like to be listened to as well.
So much for the regional approach working out in Italy. Or the idea that the north / south divide and the economic effects being felt particularly harshly in historically disadvantaged areas was being kept under control. Likewise for the idea that there's something uniquely wrong with young people in the UK that were intolerant to the restrictions and their effects.
Maybe we should listen to them.
Nothing more than surely we're better off hearing them out than dismissing them. Not that we should decide based on the views of that minority, or even that decisions should be made based on the loudest voices. But I think we're at a point now where attempting to shut down those voices or vilify the groups that hold them are legitimately counterproductive.
Early on people were compliant even when they didn't agree with the decisions, and they were tolerant of the fact their views were being not just ignored but actively demonised. We're long past that point now so finding a better way to allow those views to be heard is in itself a necessary tool to encourage compliance, IMO.
Rule by decree has a shelf life in democracy and it will expire at some point; I'd argue we've passed that point so need a new strategy.
But what does making them feel heard look like? Bear in mind a lot of the discontent is being fuelled by completely deluded nonsense on social media. Even if we find a way to weed out the tin foil hat brigade (who will never be happy) you’re still talking about a wide range of, often diametrically opposed, opinions. I don’t know on earth any government could make them all feel listened to or less pissed off with a strategy they disagree with.
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Yeah so it's baked into the problem that you can't create a solution that everyone agrees with. There's a segment of the population that don't accept that, and it's all or nothing for them. But my impression is the majority are more accepting than that. In general policy disagreements and in this particular moment.
At the simplest level, I think more people will feel heard if the decisions are debated more thoroughly in places like parliament. People accepted the need for rule by decree, emergency measures in the beginning but there's no way that can last. So just getting back to normal procedure on that front is a significant step.
People comply with rules they don't agree with at least in part because the officials they elected at least voice their argument, and if they lose, they tend to accept it rather than revolt. Most democracies are incredibly compliant. So it's not about radically new strategies but rather employing some of the strategies that played a role in normal public compliance.
That would filter down to public discourse too, which I think is an important component. If parliament or the equivalent were airing a wider range of perspectives more often, it would somewhat temper the majority's desire to dismissively shut down alternative perspectives. We will need to do some things to strengthen national unity because what worked before isn't working now.
I know a lot of people have used the sprint vs marathon analogy but I thought the context it was used in by an American nurse was particularly relatable.
We can all see that weariness is dampening people's compliance but it's also weakening the bonds that those symbols used to symbolise. I think a shift in public discourse will play a role in holding things together.
UK Figures for today - 174 deaths, 23,012 new cases
For those in the know, are gastrointestinal issues a common symptom?
Yes. We've had a couple of patients recently who's only presenting complaint was diarrhoea.
Also been some interesting studies that show you might be able to predict where the next spikes/clusters/outbreaks may be by examining the faeces in the sewage systems.....
Thing is, this isn't unusual for a lot of pathogens. Lots of viruses are multi-system, including ones which many people consider to be relatively benign (mono for instance). Bacteria too.
GI upset often primary symptom in kids, right? Sure I read that somewhere.
The same in ItalyThis image sums it up perfectly for me in terms of the perceived society priorities in Wales:
He finally got tested yesterday and it returned positive today. Two more people in the office building have developed symptoms, taking us to a total of 11 that I know of so far, 7 of those have already tested positive. An absolute joke.
I'm no paediatrician but wouldn't be surprised, everything makes kids shit!
We recently went 11 days in NSW without a locally acquired case. We detected SARS-CoV-2 in sewage during that period, testing was urged in the area and a few days later we had an outbreak. However, a town in Qld had the same thing and testing found nothing and there have been no cases reported since.
Transmission on flights riskier than we thought.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3910_article
Of 64 people on the flight who had or later developed Covid at least 8 and possibly 11 caught it on the 5 hr flight from Sydney to Perth. Most were in windows seats which is the opposite of what was expected.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3910_article
Of 64 people on the flight who had or later developed Covid at least 8 and possibly 11 caught it on the 5 hr flight from Sydney to Perth. Most were in windows seats which is the opposite of what was expected.
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A lot of primary cases, very little mask-usage or other safety measures, before anyone extrapolates this too much whilst thinking about today's flight safety. Good study nonetheless.Transmission on flights riskier than we thought.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3910_article
Of 64 people on the flight who had or later developed Covid at least 8 and possibly 11 caught it on the 5 hr flight from Sydney to Perth. Most were in windows seats which is the opposite of what was expected.
The NHS symptoms maybe?
Interesting read, certainly makes this statement from IATA look silly now - https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-09-08-012/Transmission on flights riskier than we thought.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3910_article
Of 64 people on the flight who had or later developed Covid at least 8 and possibly 11 caught it on the 5 hr flight from Sydney to Perth. Most were in windows seats which is the opposite of what was expected.
It was very early on so numbers on the flight
wouldn't have been restricted and I doubt there was much if any mask wearing. The windows seat seeming to escalate risk even when you don't leave your seat is interest though. Presumably something to do with airflow patterns.
Seating limits and maskwearing will have reduced the risk since this flight was very early on. However perhaps the airflow patterns and filtering of air that was thought to reduce risk doesn't as much as we hoped.
Yeah. They talk about masks in the study. Very few used them, including symptomatic primary cases. Window seat pattern is interesting indeed. I do prefer the aisle anyway, though.
On aircraft the air comes down from the ceiling and is drawn out through vents underneath the windows by your feet. Presumably because of the power of the onboard circulation system, any virus particles that are picked up are carried right past you in the window seat.
There has been an awful lot of research carried out since that flight (admittedly airline/manufacturer led) that shows a low risk of transmission, if procedures are followed.
The logistics of vaccine distribution and administration
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12808914
Which vaccines each country has manufacturing capacity to produce and/which vaccines each country has signed up for may further complicate roll out. Not surprising and ina way good that we are getting more specifics.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-vaccine-may-take-an-extra-year-minister-says
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12808914
Which vaccines each country has manufacturing capacity to produce and/which vaccines each country has signed up for may further complicate roll out. Not surprising and ina way good that we are getting more specifics.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-vaccine-may-take-an-extra-year-minister-says
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India has promised 500 million doses of the vaccine by July - and expect 250 million people vaccinated.
All eggs in the AstraZeneca basket.
These protests were in Campania where the regional president is taking a hard line - they didn't have a big problem with the virus first time around, but now they're one of the worst-affected regions.
It seems likely to me that these violent protests aren't really protests, they're ultras/extremists stirring up discontent. The business owners held a peaceful protest the night before, as it happened. The Mafia (Camorra) is very active in that particular part of Italy and the authorities have been trying to minimise their exploitation of the Covid crisis.
@Jippy don’t use the window seatsTransmission on flights riskier than we thought.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3910_article
Of 64 people on the flight who had or later developed Covid at least 8 and possibly 11 caught it on the 5 hr flight from Sydney to Perth. Most were in windows seats which is the opposite of what was expected.
My brother may have to isolate for 14 days due to a colleague potentially testing positive.
Lots of Italians dont consider Naples truly part of Italy, including Neopolitans themselves. It's a totally different place. They rarely need much of an excuse to get out on the streets and riot, I wouldn't read too much into it.
So much for the regional approach working out in Italy. Or the idea that the north / south divide and the economic effects being felt particularly harshly in historically disadvantaged areas was being kept under control. Likewise for the idea that there's something uniquely wrong with young people in the UK that were intolerant to the restrictions and their effects.
Maybe we should listen to them.
A women in my office had been coming in with Corona virus symptoms for over a week and didn’t tell anybody.
She thought she had stomach flu and was immediately sent home on Tuesday when someone found out.
It transpires that her boyfriend, that she lives with was unwell too and had been tested for Corona virus. His test came back positive on Wednesday
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If people weren’t so bloody selfish and isolated themselves when they had symptoms we wouldn’t be in such a fecking shit situation.
She thought she had stomach flu and was immediately sent home on Tuesday when someone found out.
It transpires that her boyfriend, that she lives with was unwell too and had been tested for Corona virus. His test came back positive on Wednesday
.If people weren’t so bloody selfish and isolated themselves when they had symptoms we wouldn’t be in such a fecking shit situation.
Especially when we could be edging to some sort of critical mass again.A women in my office had been coming in with Corona virus symptoms for over a week and didn’t tell anybody.
She thought she had stomach flu and was immediately sent home on Tuesday when someone found out.
It transpires that her boyfriend, that she lives with was unwell too and had been tested for Corona virus. His test came back positive on Wednesday
If people weren’t so bloody selfish and isolated themselves when they had symptoms we wouldn’t be in such a fecking shit situation.
I saw that, thanks. I've always been an aisle seat fan from my drinking days.
I used to be a window seat guy but now I’m older and bladder control is more challenging I don’t like climbing over people to get to the loo.
that being said I don’t like getting bashed by the trolleys either
What has your company communicated to all staff about wfh? If i went to work with real symptoms there'd be no one to catch it off me. I usually go 1 afternoon per week.A women in my office had been coming in with Corona virus symptoms for over a week and didn’t tell anybody.
She thought she had stomach flu and was immediately sent home on Tuesday when someone found out.
It transpires that her boyfriend, that she lives with was unwell too and had been tested for Corona virus. His test came back positive on Wednesday
If people weren’t so bloody selfish and isolated themselves when they had symptoms we wouldn’t be in such a fecking shit situation.
I know that they do not like the North, but this regarding not considering themselves to be Italy is new to me. What are they then, a city-state?
Business as usual unless she gets a positive test. They sanitised her desk but that’s it.
i’ve been working from home but it’s a shit show.