SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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This medical “expert” believes you could see this coming a fecking mile off. They’ve never even come close to getting on top of the virus in the north. Going back months and months.

I’m genuinely curious as to why it’s been such an absolute shit show. You’d almost feel it couldn’t be any worse with deliberate sabotage.
And we actually did quite well during the first wave. Which was clearly down to good fortune.
 

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bbc 17:24
PM expected to announce measures similar to March

Laura Kuenssberg
Political editor


The prime minister is expected to announce a set of new national restrictions for England at 20:00 GMT, similar to the national lockdown in March, that he is likely to urge the public to follow from midnight.
It’s expected that people will be told to work from home unless they are a key worker, or it is not possible for them to do so, for example if they work on a construction site.
Schools will close again for most pupils.
It is not yet clear when the measures will be reviewed, but MPs are likely to be given a vote to approve them retrospectively on Wednesday.
This comes after the rapid rises in coronavirus cases and admissions to the NHS.
And after the Joint Biosecurity Centre raised the alert from the pandemic to level five tonight, which means the NHS is at risk from being overwhelmed and that a national lockdown is imminent.
It is also understood that the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, told the prime minister the new more infectious variant of coronavirus is spreading now throughout the country.
Wonder if it's spreading throughout the country due to all those people "fleeing" London on those packed trains/ platforms as soon as they announced it was going tier 4....
 

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BBC 17:24
PM expected to announce measures similar to March
Laura Kuenssberg-Political editor

The prime minister is expected to announce a set of new national restrictions for England at 20:00 GMT, similar to the national lockdown in March, that he is likely to urge the public to follow from midnight.
It’s expected that people will be told to work from home unless they are a key worker, or it is not possible for them to do so, for example if they work on a construction site.
Schools will close again for most pupils.
It is not yet clear when the measures will be reviewed, but MPs are likely to be given a vote to approve them retrospectively on Wednesday.
This comes after the rapid rises in coronavirus cases and admissions to the NHS.
And after the Joint Biosecurity Centre raised the alert from the pandemic to level five tonight, which means the NHS is at risk from being overwhelmed and that a national lockdown is imminent.
It is also understood that the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Chris Whitty, told the prime minister the new more infectious variant of coronavirus is spreading now throughout the country.
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Yes Pfizer. I can't recall where. But have found it again here: 95% effective after second dose?

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4826#:~:text=The study, published in the,cases in the placebo group.
Yep, in relation to the comparison though, most will get the AZ vaccine just because of the storage requirements ie. stored in a normal fridge, where Pfizer needs -70 degree storage before it's opened. So the approach of one dose on AZ now and 12 weeks later makes the most sense to me given that it'll be the critical mass vaccine.
 

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Just had the guidance in from my work. We’ve been on splits 50% of the week (MWF one week, TT the next) at home and in the office. Sales can do our work at home with Ring Central and teams but they’re insisting on us continuing this. Meanwhile management staff are WFH and the business development team. Absolutely mental. Issued us a letter to say we ‘absolutely cannot work from home’ yet we are 50% of the time anyways. With the numbers higher than ever, and coming off Christmas and New Year and the inevitable mixing I think it’s ridiculous.
 

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My bad its Alert level 5, not Tier 5 as per BBC report above
 

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Just think how many lives would have been saved if we'd just done this in December and none of the christmas rubbish, like we should have.
This!

It's.not even hindsight, it was as obvious then as it is now. I honestly think that when the dust settles and we look back on this in a few years a number of politicians need to face charges of gross negligence, they have exchanged lives to try and remain popular.
 

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I think pretty much all polling I've seen throughout the crisis has seen a heavy lean towards being in favour of lockdown measures.
 

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I think pretty much all polling I've seen throughout the crisis has seen a heavy lean towards being in favour of lockdown measures.
I'd be intrigued to see that poll run again but asking who of those 79% visited/mixed with a different household on Christmas Day.
 

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Just think how many lives would have been saved if we'd just done this in December and none of the christmas rubbish, like we should have.
Just think how many lives could have been saved of they'd treated having a >1.0 R number as a problem in July, August, September and October

 

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Wonder if it's spreading throughout the country due to all those people "fleeing" London on those packed trains/ platforms as soon as they announced it was going tier 4....
We'll never really know how much of it was driven by spread via transport and how much of it was driven by community spread, but we know it was already all around the country before then, just in smaller numbers. The thing that worried the public health experts was that it went from being a small proportion of cases to almost half of all cases in the East, South East and London in a relatively short period of time, and that was with more restrictions in place. So while it's completely implausible that new cases weren't brought into Manchester from London on those trains, it's equally implausible that people in Manchester wouldn't have spread it around the community during Christmas anyway.

It's totally plausible that they've got new data that confirms the new strain is dangerously widespread, but it'd be absurd to explain a sweeping change in policy based on that one piece of entirely predictable eviendence. I really wonder what his advisors were thinking before Boris' interview yesterday because he was especially useless for most of it, and they surely must have known there was a risk of mixed messaging taken to a new level...
 

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I'd be intrigued to see that poll run again but asking who of those 79% visited/mixed with a different household on Christmas Day.
Yep, I was saying to my Mrs earlier on how much of allowing the visiting and mixing has caused the rise in infections.
 

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I'd be intrigued to see that poll run again but asking who of those 79% visited/mixed with a different household on Christmas Day.
It’s a joke, all my mates have been embarassing throughout this, mixing with each other heavily and are now the same people are demanding it all gets locked down? Of course they want to be furloughed again too...
 
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Look at the state of that answer. Schools are safe, the problem is when there are people in them. We’re expected to believe anything this cnut says.
 

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Yep, I was saying to my Mrs earlier on how much of allowing the visiting and mixing has caused the rise in infections.
That rise happened before Christmas. We’ll surely only see that rise in the next week.
 

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So another lockdown. Hopefully it has an end date we can focus on.

Also does everyone mind not being dicks and having protests, raves and large gatherings? My jobs hard enough without making it even more difficult and creating more risks.

Cheers.
 

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And we actually did quite well during the first wave. Which was clearly down to good fortune.
Yeah, luck definitely played a bigger part in the first wave than was believed at the time. See also places like the Czech Republic getting so much praised for masks etc then absolutely decimated when they got hit with a proper surge.
 

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So another lockdown. Hopefully it has an end date we can focus on.

Also does everyone mind not being dicks and having protests, raves and large gatherings? My jobs hard enough without making it even more difficult and creating more risks.

Cheers.
What do you propose as an alternative to protesting if you believe the government is endangering the public through its mismanagement of the situation, and you believe the situation will not resolve itself until the government is given a clear message directly from the public that it’s no longer tolerable?
 

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Yeah, luck definitely played a bigger part in the first wave than was believed at the time. See also places like the Czech Republic getting so much praised for masks etc then absolutely decimated when they got hit with a proper surge.
We had quite decent weather in April/May as well so it was altogether easier to just sit in the garden and wait it out. We’re going to really struggle through this winter but we need to go back to the relatively easy things we were doing before. If people won’t distance properly in the supermarkets, and in my experience they won’t, then they need to be restricting the numbers again. Waiting outside is shit but it’s not going to kill anyone. Aside from closing schools, we’re running low on any other options.
 

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Look at the state of that answer. Schools are safe, the problem is when there are people in them. We’re expected to believe anything this cnut says.
Crisis management 101, communicate clearly - and here's this guy talking like a Day Today character during a pandemic. Honestly, when this is over we need a drastic rethink about how we decide who gets to govern this country as electing the most conveniently placed toff has been disastrous since the Tories got back into power.
 

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Crisis management 101, communicate clearly - and here's this guy talking like a Day Today character during a pandemic. Honestly, when this is over we need a drastic rethink about how we decide who gets to govern this country as electing the most conveniently placed toff has been disastrous since the Tories got back into power.
Difficult to see how we get rid of them. Labour have been screwed since they lost Scotland.
 

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What do you propose as an alternative to protesting if you believe the government is endangering the public through its mismanagement of the situation, and you believe the situation will not resolve itself until the government is given a clear message directly from the public that it’s no longer tolerable?
Yes, down with that sort of thing.

Might there not be a problem with protestors who want exactly the opposite 'solution' to each other?
 

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Difficult to see how we get rid of them. Labour have been screwed since they lost Scotland.
The whole system seems to be setup perfectly for the tories. The more damage they do in westminster, the more votes labour loses from the colonies, sorry, Scotland and Wales.
 

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What do you propose as an alternative to protesting if you believe the government is endangering the public through its mismanagement of the situation, and you believe the situation will not resolve itself until the government is given a clear message directly from the public that it’s no longer tolerable?
Preferably not hundreds, maybe thousands, of folk randomly marching through the city and fighting with me and my colleagues.

A legitimate planned socially distanced protest with a start and end time sure. Go ahead .
 

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Difficult to see how we get rid of them. Labour have been screwed since they lost Scotland.
That and the loss of Labour voters over Brexit has fecked us. Moving to Scotland is already appealing but I'd happily walk there if they ever decided to cut themselves adrift of this basket case of a government.