SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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There's a rule change expected mid-May. Hotels, restaurants etc reopening. There's expected to be a change in the rules on travel at the same time.

The question will be will be - are there quarantine requirements at either end of the trip, and what tests are needed. All still up in the air really - but the end of May is a possibility. Provided they can cancel/postpone, I can see why they might want to start making plans.

There's a good chance that family visits will get priority from the UK side over general tourism. It's all anybody's guess though.
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I was overly paranoid last year when it all happened which is why I stayed away from this thread. I'm calm on the entire situation now but I don't go out and have been extremely careful this last year.
Glad you’re better now.
 

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When we got back last year from the UK, it was free at Rome airport.

I think the cost of tests in the UK for people entering the country is disgraceful. I know they want to deter people from travelling, but it really just stops people who can't afford it, who may have a legitimate need to fly.
When my son had to fly from the US to Croatia in the middle of last year you had to have a test conducted in the last 72 hrs to get in to Croatia and maybe to transit through Germany. Given the flight time and the normal 2/3 day turnaround for tests at that time we had to pay US$200 for a 24hr express service or it was impossible to comply.
 

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No not yet, ireland is sloooow
We may have no community transmission but we are even slower. 100th in the word just after Jordan, Guyana and Nepal. The plan was for the whole country to have both shots by October. Then the plan was to have everyone with at least 1 shot by the end of the year, now the plan is not to have a plan or at least not to tell anyone what the plan is so we don't notice when they feck it up again.

We are now seriously worried that we won't be able to get to see our son at Christmas and that would mean over 2 years without seeing him in person :(
 

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We may have no community transmission but we are even slower. 100th in the word just after Jordan, Guyana and Nepal. The plan was for the whole country to have both shots by October. Then the plan was to have everyone with at least 1 shot by the end of the year, now the plan is not to have a plan or at least not to tell anyone what the plan is so we don't notice when they feck it up again.

We are now seriously worried that we won't be able to get to see our son at Christmas and that would mean over 2 years without seeing him in person :(
Awful Wibbs, I’m sorry for you all.
As he is Australian can he not return home and go in the quarantine?
 

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Awful Wibbs, I’m sorry for you all.
As he is Australian can he not return home and go in the quarantine?
It is so hard to get back that he hasn't even registered to try to get back. There are over 30k in a queue to get home with only low numbers allowed back each week. There are another 100,000-300,000 who are just not trying until things improve. Some are lucky and get back first try and others are cancelled repeatedly. We recently had a terminally ill guy return who had tried to get back from Ireland for 12 months and has just got home a few weeks ahead of his death.

And to get home you have a far higher chance if you buy a 1st class or Business Class ticket as airlines prioritise them to try to make partially full flights economic. Add on the cost of quarantine and it can cost $15,000 or more for a round trip. And he may even not be allowed out which would invalidate his scholarship. So better to stay put sadly. If we can get him home for Christmas we will be happy. It is just so enraging that #scottyfrommarketing and his evil clown posse are such a bunch of cnuts.
 
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It is so had to get back that he hasn't even registered to try to get back. There are over 30k in a queue to get home with only low numbers allowed back each week. There are another 100,000-300,000 who are just not trying until things improve. Some are lucky and get back first try and others are cancelled repeatedly. We recently had a terminally ill guy return who had tried to get back from Ireland for 12 months and has just got home a few weeks ahead of his death.

And to get home you have a far higher chance if you buy a 1st class or Business Class ticket as airlines prioritise them to try to make partially full flights economic. Add on the cost of quarantine and it can cost $15,000 or more for a round trip. And he may even not be allowed out which would invalidate his scholarship. So better to stay put sadly. If we can get him home for Christmas we will be happy. It is just so enraging that #scottyfrommarketing and his evil clown posse are such a bunch of cnuts.
Man that’s shit
 

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When my son had to fly from the US to Croatia in the middle of last year you had to have a test conducted in the last 72 hrs to get in to Croatia and maybe to transit through Germany. Given the flight time and the normal 2/3 day turnaround for tests at that time we had to pay US$200 for a 24hr express service or it was impossible to comply.
I think my nephew has paid well over £1000 for all the tests for the two of them. Test before you leave (Vietnam is virtually Covid-free and they've had no restrictions on movement, even in the capital), then tests booked through an approved UK-provider on days 2 and 8 of your self-quarantine. He's also paid for the extra test on day 5, to get early release from quarantine - but even if that's negative, you still have to have the test on day 8!
 

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Man that’s shit
It is but in the scheme of things we are very lucky.

We live where covid is almost eliminated and our jobs haven't been lost. He is still having a great time and his mate's folks have been brilliant, inviting him to stay at Christmas and holidays. He is now vaccinated and for all the frustrations we as a family are very privileged.
 

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It is but in the scheme of things we are very lucky.

We live where covid is almost eliminated and our jobs haven't been lost. He is still having a great time and his mate's folks have been brilliant, inviting him to stay at Christmas and holidays. He is now vaccinated and for all the frustrations we as a family are very privileged.
The terminally ill guy thing sound awful. Bound to be many more similar stories. I’m glad you guys are coping ok with the enforced separation but the emotional toll of forcing families apart for so long is always glossed over when zero covid zealots are cheerleading about the Aus/NZ approach.
 

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Over 250k daily cases with test positivity rate of nearly 17% here in India.

Does anyone want to extrapolate those to get the actual infected numbers for a population of 1.3bn? Because I don't have the heart to do so.
 

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The terminally ill guy thing sound awful. Bound to be many more similar stories. I’m glad you guys are coping ok with the enforced separation but the emotional toll of forcing families apart for so long is always glossed over when zero covid zealots are cheerleading about the Aus/NZ approach.
Poor bloke went back to Ireland to see family and say goodbye to old friends and got stranded. Virtually bankrupted his family in Ireland and stressed out all concerned.

Thanks for the concern but apart from missing seeing someone you love so much, occasionally to the point of upset, we are also incredibly happy and grateful for how easily we have all been able to live through a pandemic. We are the priveledged few.
 

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Boris has cancelled his visit to India. The situation in India is horrible & they should have been added to the red list already, but I guess he needs the trade deal sorted first.
 

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They’ve opened up vaccine slots to 35-39 year olds in NI on first come, first served if it applies to anyone here. Got mine booked for tomorrow.
 

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It is but in the scheme of things we are very lucky.

We live where covid is almost eliminated and our jobs haven't been lost. He is still having a great time and his mate's folks have been brilliant, inviting him to stay at Christmas and holidays. He is now vaccinated and for all the frustrations we as a family are very privileged.
I would have hoped the Aussie Govt would accept him being vaccinated and allow him to travel home without having to hotel quarantine?
 

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I would have hoped the Aussie Govt would accept him being vaccinated and allow him to travel home without having to hotel quarantine?
There is talk of allowing vaccinated Aussies to.travel later in the year if we can finally get our vaccination program going. However, there is likely still be a requirement to self-isolate/quarantine at home. His break is only 3 weeks long so it might not be worth it.

How is the NZ vaccination program going?
 

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There is talk of allowing vaccinated Aussies to.travel later in the year if we can finally get our vaccination program going. However, there is likely still be a requirement to self-isolate/quarantine at home. His break is only 3 weeks long so it might not be worth it.

How is the NZ vaccination program going?
Fingers crossed the systems speed up and the young lad can get home soonish.

Vaccine program here is slow but then the majority of people arent too worried. I think we are even slower than you guys at present. We sit well down the list of urgency to supply the vaccines which is understandable. The current target is around July to have the general population vaccinated but that may change. Also there is a massive training program underway to get enough people trained and set up to deliver the vaccine. The Govt are taking about having it set up so people can walk up to vaccination centers and get it done that way.
The opposition are putting the pressure on to get things done faster, they are the ones who pushed hard for the travel bubble too. Personally I think we should have waited till the majority of the public was vaccinated before opening any bubbles, these new variants are likely to sneak through this travel bubble as far as Im concerned. Im expecting a couple more mini lockdowns before the end of the year, even with the best intentions in the world this virus and variants are really hard to control.
 

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Like clockwork, cases see to be surging this week, where I work anyway. We've been relatively unscathed since it started but has a few cases already in the offices yesterday and this morning.
 

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Isn't this Indian variant like the 4 thousandth+ variant of covid so far? That's just the ones that have been picked up by research. Don't quote the above as fact, I just remember seeing that figure a few days back. So it's a genuine question.
 

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We have a new case in our quarantine setup where a border worker who had been fully vaccinated has caught covid, apparently from cleaning a high risk plane from India which is of concern.

Up until a month ago the majority of our covid cases caught at the border were from the USA or Britain. We had plenty of people returning home from India but not that many being found to have covid. Since this new variant emerged the majority of cases in the last month had been from India prompting the govt to suspend flights from there.
 

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Isn't this Indian variant like the 4 thousandth+ variant of covid so far? That's just the ones that have been picked up by research. Don't quote the above as fact, I just remember seeing that figure a few days back. So it's a genuine question.
I don’t know is the honest answer but it’s escaping the vaccine so needs to be watched to see how strong it can be
 

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We have a new case in our quarantine setup where a border worker who had been fully vaccinated has caught covid, apparently from cleaning a high risk plane from India which is of concern.

Up until a month ago the majority of our covid cases caught at the border were from the USA or Britain. We had plenty of people returning home from India but not that many being found to have covid. Since this new variant emerged the majority of cases in the last month had been from India prompting the govt to suspend flights from there.
Where are you from?
 

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They’ve opened up vaccine slots to 35-39 year olds in NI on first come, first served if it applies to anyone here. Got mine booked for tomorrow.
Same, booked yesterday, in and done within an hour this morning. Fairly long lines but managed very efficiently.
 

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Isn't this Indian variant like the 4 thousandth+ variant of covid so far? That's just the ones that have been picked up by research. Don't quote the above as fact, I just remember seeing that figure a few days back. So it's a genuine question.
Yeah, I think it’s the fact that the vaccine isn’t effective against it and (possibly) that it’s more deadly.
I do kinda worry that the mutations will become more and more resistant and more and more deadly as time goes on, meaning that this is the beginning of the end for the human race.
 

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Yeah, I think it’s the fact that the vaccine isn’t effective against it and (possibly) that it’s more deadly.
I do kinda worry that the mutations will become more and more resistant and more and more deadly as time goes on, meaning that this is the beginning of the end for the human race.
They will tweak the vaccines; which will mean more will die but they’ll get there. In the meantime maybe think about cutting travel to hotspots
 

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More people need to read articles like these. We still haven’t close to peaked globally.
 

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Please tell me IHME are bs merchants .. this cant be right..

It's possible given that the testing capacity will be significantly inadequate. I'm not sure how their model works - one approach is to look at excess deaths, and then backsolve the number of cases based on 'expected' mortality rates. The key problem with this approach is the 'expected' mortality rate is likely to increase as medical capacity reduces. Overall though, it's safe to assume the cases reported are materially below the actual cases during a wave.
 

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Please tell me IHME are bs merchants .. this cant be right..
We're at a test positivity rate of nearly 20% and vaccine coverage is really low. Therefore I don't think those numbers are really outlandish.

It's possible given that the testing capacity will be significantly inadequate. I'm not sure how their model works - one approach is to look at excess deaths, and then backsolve the number of cases based on 'expected' mortality rates. The key problem with this approach is the 'expected' mortality rate is likely to increase as medical capacity reduces. Overall though, it's safe to assume the cases reported are materially below the actual cases during a wave.
Here in India there's additionally an extreme stigma to test positive. Vast majority of the infected people are not being tested. People are even actively avoiding even visiting a doctor with mild/moderate symptoms for fear of being asked to test.