Jaysus. Are you guys still counting waves?!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Sure are. Hopefully this one will mean we can all get the 5th shot.
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Any recent research on Myocarditis risk of additional boosters? I'm booked in for the fourth dose but I'm beginning to wonder if I actually need it as it seems a lot of doctors are not convinced the risk is worth it for under 40s. If you had 3 uneventful, covid symptom free vaccines already are you home and dry for subsequent doses?
No useful data, no. Although common sense implies if you’ve tolerated 3 doses well then another one is very unlikely to cause any problems.
Equally, if you’ve already had covid (in addition to 3 doses of the vaccine) it’s hard to see any good reason to get a booster. Especially if you didn’t get too sick from covid.
I've been wondering the same thing, so thanks for the answer.
Must admit, without the daily updates of tweets from scientists and researchers you and JoJo were posting in the thick of it all reassuring me of things, I've started to become concerned about the increasing number of anti-vaxx posts and stories cropping up.
I know it's probably absolute horse shit, but it'd be nice to know for certain that all the 'Vaccine injury' stuff is just an extention of the Ivermectin crowd talking nonsense. I personally know of nobody who had a reaction stronger than a rough day after their jab and a sore arm.
Ive had 4 shots and flu vaccine and not a bother (other than the normal feeling like crap after the first 2)
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The UK's vaccine advisory group (JCVI) aren't offering fourth doses to under 50s, unless you're in a clinically risk group or in a high risk job.
If you're under 50, without other risk factors, and have had a full course of vaccines (defined as the initial two shots + one booster) then your chances of serious illness (hospitalisation or worse) are so low that it's not seen as necessary. Adverse reactions can happen with any medication - including vaccines - so they only recommend medication when it's got a clear benefit.
For everyone, the evidence suggests that if you have had covid you should then wait at least three months (and preferably 6 if you're in good general health) before having a booster. Apparently your body creates a better/broader immune response in that situation.
They'll rerun the numbers if something changes (new variant or whatever) and they'll check them again every few months to see whether protection is waning in any of the groups.
If you're under 50, without other risk factors, and have had a full course of vaccines (defined as the initial two shots + one booster) then your chances of serious illness (hospitalisation or worse) are so low that it's not seen as necessary. Adverse reactions can happen with any medication - including vaccines - so they only recommend medication when it's got a clear benefit.
For everyone, the evidence suggests that if you have had covid you should then wait at least three months (and preferably 6 if you're in good general health) before having a booster. Apparently your body creates a better/broader immune response in that situation.
They'll rerun the numbers if something changes (new variant or whatever) and they'll check them again every few months to see whether protection is waning in any of the groups.
I'm a bit worried, had it last week with rather mild (no caughing at all) symptoms for 2-3 days, stayed isolated in the bedroom and after 4-5 days the test were all negative again. Yet now I start to really feel my throat hurting (didn't before at all) and start feeling unwell again. The thing is my wife is pregnant and I feel like isolating me all over again as we've been semi lax about since two days as I was feeling totally fine. Probably just a cold on top but still makes you feel uneasy.
I've had 4 and would love to have a 5th especially as the new vaccines have been tweaked for omicron. I'll see if I can get my doc to get me a 5th next time I go.
4th wave of infection in AU likely to peak before Christmas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-likely-to-peak-before-christmas-experts-say
Despite my wife finally getting it I'm fine so far. Probably can't last of course.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-likely-to-peak-before-christmas-experts-say
Despite my wife finally getting it I'm fine so far. Probably can't last of course.
This has to be the deadliest result of the most extreme form of lockdown so far.
If Asian neighbors (not called North Korea) say they can manage without lockdowns anymore, then you have to ask yourselves what is going through the minds of that grossly incompetent government. Over 100 days of lockdown, are you joking?
I know that there is no such thing as zero risk with vaccines, but vaccines remain the best way out to end the pandemic and then to let people earn their living as normally as possible.
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If Asian neighbors (not called North Korea) say they can manage without lockdowns anymore, then you have to ask yourselves what is going through the minds of that grossly incompetent government. Over 100 days of lockdown, are you joking?
I know that there is no such thing as zero risk with vaccines, but vaccines remain the best way out to end the pandemic and then to let people earn their living as normally as possible.
(I’ve not been following the chinese reaction too much but have heard of their zero covid policy).
So, why are the Chinese doing that? Why can’t they open up like other highly vaccinated countries?
So, why are the Chinese doing that? Why can’t they open up like other highly vaccinated countries?
The question as to why a vaccine mandate is not even enforced to precede any reopening has been raised in the following thread:
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According to the attached article from the Financial Times, key explanations are a cultural aversiveness to risk and a high vaccine hesitancy risk among the elderly.
I understand that taking a vaccine is a leap of faith for anybody, but there are reasons why standard testing practices exist to minimize harm and to obtain solid results prior to any mass production and mass rollout. Furthermore, such vaccine hesitancy among the elderly also existed in neighboring Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, etc.), but I guess the messaging has been a lot more effective in those countries as the elderly from those countries have high vaccination rates now. I suspect that a number of people in both local and central Chinese governments have chosen to not put up their pants and to not take responsibility, even when no-nonsense decisions were within reach.
Further down in the same article, something has been raised Chinese-made vaccines.
In other words, the government is so afraid of losing face in front of the greater effectiveness of existing Western-made mRNA vaccines that they chose to double down with an approach that has clearly reached its limits because of the nature of the COVID variant. Lockdowns and testing may be beneficial to the elderly, who don't do much in life (no work, no school, no shopping, only hanging around with friends), but this putting a severe burden on working age groups as shown by slower growth and a rise in youth unemployment (20% now). Furthermore, China almost had 2 years to develop plenty of different vaccine types by now.
The sad part is that there will be more tragedies like the Urumqi fire, the severe lockdowns across the country, and the outpouring of anger from the Foxconn employees before things get any better.
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What a fecked up society.
The biggest paradox out there is the use of extreme coercion for quarantining/testing versus the total lack of coercion for vaccination. All of that because the government chose to obey to the antivaxxer whims of the elderly instead of 1) improving the messaging on vaccines and 2) telling the most vaccine-resistant crowd to shove it up in the ass.
It’s a shitshow alright. I’d no idea that they had a large group of anti vaxxers in China. Is it because they’re anti sinovac not anti vaccine?
No, the article in the Financial Times already mentioned that the antivaccine stance among the Chinese elderly has existed since before COVID.
So why the big lockdowns then?
it sounds simple to just tell the unvaxxed elderly to stay inside and let the rest get of the vaxxed population get on with life. the Chinese govmnt must know who’s vaxxed and who’s not.
it sounds simple to just tell the unvaxxed elderly to stay inside and let the rest get of the vaxxed population get on with life. the Chinese govmnt must know who’s vaxxed and who’s not.
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Can't be 100% sure, but I think that's because several members from the Central Committee (top members of the Chinese government) are among those unvaxxed elderly, who believe in the silly antivaccine rhetoric and may go as far as to preach for traditional/alternative medicine instead. One also has to remember that those party elites are not exactly the brightest lightbulbs to begin with and are probably there because of cronyism. Furthermore, those people at the top of the pyramid are only interested in maintaining power. Lockdowns are used as a tool to enforce social control, but the omicron variant ain't going to stop poking holes in that approach.
I’d heard that the Chinese watching the World Cup were amazed to see people congregating like they are. That alone must make them think their govmnt is lying to them.
Re the anti-vaxx in China, that is because the country has a history of problems with their vaccines and there is a trust deficit in the society regarding vaccines.
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So the father of one of the families who died in the fire survived because he's been in a concentration camp for five years. Assuming he's still alive in the camp.
That makes sense alright. These protests I’m hearing about now; it’ll be interesting to see whether the govmnt cracks down or changes policy. I suppose it depends on how large the protests get.
At some point the govmnt may decide staying in power is more important than holding to a zero covid policy. Of course a crack down could get ugly.
Impressive incompetence from Xi on this one. A lot of the vaccines they've been using up to now are not terribly effective and a lot of elderly people are unvaccinated anyway. If he does relax the lockdowns then an awful lot of people in China are going to die I think.
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I've finally got it from my wife who attended a super spreader event - 12-15 out of 40 people who attended got it. After feeling like utter shit on Saturday I'm gradually recovering. I can't imagine what deadlier strains would have been like pre-immunisation.
Too fecking late. Annoyed as I'm sure I'd have been less sick if I'd had active antibodies and not just had to rely on memory cells - good job though they seem to have done.
All bs apparently if you look at the replies
Took my parents to a college football game last night and let them ride with me. I got a call this morning that my dad tested positive. I've made it almost 3 years and am now just waiting to get sick after spending about 1.5 hours in the car with them last night. I have had the bivalent booster so maybe I'll avoid it.
The divorce is off then?
I'm too sick to crawl out
Good luck. Hopefully you will.dodge the bullet.Took my parents to a college football game last night and let them ride with me. I got a call this morning that my dad tested positive. I've made it almost 3 years and am now just waiting to get sick after spending about 1.5 hours in the car with them last night. I have had the bivalent booster so maybe I'll avoid it.
Thanks! Hopefully you're on the mend too.
Much better thanks.
Started to feel slightly sick on Friday night. By Saturday morning I was so ill I could hardly move and slept for 18 hrs. Felt slightly better on Sun but not much. This morning was another improvement and I've been feeling better and better all day. I'm very thankful for the vaccines.
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Good luck! Which game?Took my parents to a college football game last night and let them ride with me. I got a call this morning that my dad tested positive. I've made it almost 3 years and am now just waiting to get sick after spending about 1.5 hours in the car with them last night. I have had the bivalent booster so maybe I'll avoid it.
Peak WI_Red post. Cheered me up no end.
Duke-Wake Forest. It was actually a very good game (helped by the fact that Duke won
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