SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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You not got windows that open? A garden?

It's not ideal but people are being over dramatic about being in lockdown. It's either that, or we have this virus for the next 2-3 years possibly.

I know plenty of people who have been self isolating since they found porn and computer games, they're pretty fine and don't seem to struggle mentally.

Suddenly everyone wants to exercise and go for long walks when they have never once been interested in those thing
Probably because numerous people haven't had their other mental releases taken away from them, football, traveling, socialising etc.

Also windows don't cut it and a garden no, I'm on a first floor flat.

Just one flaw in that story: countries have already imposed lockdowns weeks ago and no such collapse happened. People are much more resilient than you're suggesting. Some people are going to have to develop that resilience during the crisis.
Until they get let out and numerous of them are a shadow of their former selves.

I know three people in Italy and two are going of their head and the other is seriously concerned his brother is going the same way.
 

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Highly likely, a cobra meeting has a wide involvement of various bodies and to make such changes ie. a lockdown, then i'm sure military would be consulted as part of that process.
About time.
I'd say pretty likely with there being a COBRA meeting at this time. Overdue.
Not a fan of any style of lockdowns as it's a power that can easily be abused by governments but what other choice is there?
I hope we have one as well. I'm self employed so I'm completely uncertain about what is going to happen to myself in a lockdown regaridng income but I've become more and more worried about the vulnerable members in my family and that is more important than money and always will be.
 

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I know three people in Italy and two are going of their head and the other is seriously concerned his brother is going the same way.
There will always be some exceptions but for the vast majority of people, after an adjustment period, they will get used to it.
 

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Yeah now you mention it, it is fairly unclear what they mean by 'vulnerable'.

I can see that 'extremely vulnerable' means those with cancer and organ transplants.

I suspect it is conditions like diabetes, COPD etc. If you're concerned, a quick call to your GP might just help clear things up so you can live with at least some peace of mind.
I just wanna know for things like shopping delivery etc.

If I'm eligible to avoid supermarkets I most definitely want to (not for laziness rasons, I normally shop on foot and I miss it already) - in U.K supermarkets are now only delivering to people in the 'vulnerable' category, I just wanna know if those with lifelong Asthma fit that. It's impossible to get through to the actual shops!
 

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Are you on immunosuppressants? Then i would expect you to be in the 12 week category.
Yeah, methotrexate and humira. My GP has said he doesn't know if the identification of vulnerable shielding is a catch-all of all immunosuppressive medicine, or just certain types, and to just wait and see if I get a letter.

Nice and vague.
 

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Until they get let out and numerous of them are a shadow of their former selves.

I know three people in Italy and two are going of their head and the other is seriously concerned his brother is going the same way.
A perfect sample size right there.
 

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I'm in this group (except double the age). Should I be expecting a letter this week about the 12 week shielding? I've not been able to get a clear answer from anyone about whether or not I'm high risk. My GP has been very wishy-washy about it, and I've not even been able get in contact with the rheumatologist.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

I know it's 2 days old, but there's no clear guidelines since that state they've made any huge changes to this. You fall into number 5 I presume? Enjoy the 12 weeks pal.
 

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Assuming that is aimed at me.

Dan Dobson is a Union rep, so what exactly do you believe his agenda is beyond the welfare of those workers?
It’s not. Sorry I noticed it was posted straight after but wasn’t aimed at you.
 

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Yeah, methotrexate and humira. My GP has said he doesn't know if the identification of vulnerable shielding is a catch-all of all immunosuppressive medicine, or just certain types, and to just wait and see if I get a letter.

Nice and vague.
Yeah it isn't ideal, my gut feels tell me that you'll be in a shielded group. I hope i'm wrong.
 

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I've started implementing hour long nature/woods walks daily to refresh me mentally and it's the best I've felt since football was taken away.

If I'm now going to lose even that....
No one is saying u can’t go out, just realise what your doing and be sensible. Right now people aren’t being sensible, we are being asked to do very easy things and as humans we are failing. Just today I seen a group of about 20 cyclists all out all talking to each other inches apart. As a population we are thick as shit, you are simply being told to keep apart but for whatever reason we can’t, we seem to be lemmings all marching toward infection, it’s like we all wanna be a smart arse saying “it won’t happen to me”... I’m actually amazed about the level of feck witterey I’m seeing every day.
 

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This is good news in Italy. 2nd day in a row, not just 1 day where the new cases is lower than previous day.
 

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This is good news in Italy. 2nd day in a row, not just 1 day where the new cases is lower than previous day.
Very good news, i'm hopeful that the new cases have continual drops as it'll show that the lockdown is having a huge positive effect on getting control of the outbreak.
 

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

I know it's 2 days old, but there's no clear guidelines since that state they've made any huge changes to this. You fall into number 5 I presume?
Yeah, that's what I thought too. My GP sounds less sure, I guess he can't give me a concrete answer if no clear guidelines have been disseminated. I guess it is just wait-and-see.

I've just been treating myself as if I am high risk anyway, as I'm continually advised to avoid those with flu, mumps, even chicken pox, among various other ailments, so it's logical to do my utmost to avoid this.
 

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I just wanna know for things like shopping delivery etc.

If I'm eligible to avoid supermarkets I most definitely want to (not for laziness rasons, I normally shop on foot and I miss it already) - in U.K supermarkets are now only delivering to people in the 'vulnerable' category, I just wanna know if those with lifelong Asthma fit that. It's impossible to get through to the actual shops!
To be honest, if you're well and able and not needing your blue inhaler 24/7, I'd be inclined to go to the shops myself. Then again that's just me, I'd hate to think I'm doing someone more needy out of a delivery. Guess phoning the GP might be the next step to ask.
 

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Very good news, i'm hopeful that the new cases have continual drops as it'll show that the lockdown is having a huge positive effect on getting control of the outbreak.
What happens after lockdown? We need to realise this virus is here to stay basically till we can eradicate it ourselves.
 

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Yeah my family just told me about this.

In general SA have been way more on it and proactive then we have... And when the SA government is making you look bad, then you know you've really shit the bed.
:lol: yeah this is probably the best thing the government has ever done. I think our bond yields and currency have already taken such a massive hit, that there will be minimal economic impact by holding on to a stronger economy for a little bit longer.
 

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Yeah, that's what I thought too. My GP sounds less sure, I guess he can't give me a concrete answer if no clear guidelines have been disseminated. I guess it is just wait-and-see.

I've just been treating myself as if I am high risk anyway, as I'm continually advised to avoid those with flu, mumps, even chicken pox, among various other ailments, so it's logical to do my utmost to avoid this.
Jeez. Anyone on methotrexate I'd say should stay the feck away from the general public at a time like this. Rheumatologists secretary and ask to leave a message?
 

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You not got windows that open? A garden?

It's not ideal but people are being over dramatic about being in lockdown. It's either that, or we have this virus for the next 2-3 years possibly.

I know plenty of people who have been self isolating since they found porn and computer games, they're pretty fine and don't seem to struggle mentally.

Suddenly everyone wants to exercise and go for long walks when they have never once been interested in those thing


BA have specifically said they don't want a bailout as they have 9bn anyway so don't need it. Said the other airlines shouldn't get a bailout as its their own fault if they don't have the funds like they do. One way to get rid of the competition.

Btw, these same airlines are the ones who up prices when school holidays are about, up their prices during world cups. Taking what they can, and then asking for more. Absolute wankers.

Feel sorry for their staff, but the country shouldn't be bailing them this time.
I told you that in confidence. :(
 

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Not sure if this has been posted her yet but it seems a good balance to me:
 

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To be honest, if you're well and able and not needing your blue inhaler 24/7, I'd be inclined to go to the shops myself. Then again that's just me, I'd hate to think I'm doing someone more needy out of a delivery. Guess phoning the GP might be the next step to ask.
I agree to an extent, but being 'well and able' now doesn't at all take into account actually being at risk.

It's about how Asthmatics are gonna be affected by a virus that immediately targets the lungs and puts non-Asthmatics on ventilators...

The Government website clearly states that 'long term respiratory illnesses like Asthma' puts people in the 'vulnerable' group.
 

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What happens after lockdown? We need to realise this virus is here to stay basically till we can eradicate it ourselves.
Lockdown will exist till the peak slows and services can support it. Look to China as an example. The next phase we really have to get into is the testing and tracing cases, Singapore have been fantastic at doing the latter.
 

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I'm not so sure - you're allowed out for work / medical supplies / food. Going for a random stroll will likely be prohibited.
We have a sort of lockdown in Belgium (bars and restaurants closed, most shops closed, work from home if possible, gyms closed etc...) but we are allowed to go out for a walk, run, bike ride etc. Only in a limited group of people (2) and in your own neighbourhood but going out is promoted.
 

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What happens after lockdown? We need to realise this virus is here to stay basically till we can eradicate it ourselves.
Could be a lot more manageable. Things are improving in S. Korea for example. As far as I’m aware it’s not a total lockdown. But then again they are actually bothering to test people, the people there probably respect the rules set out and are probably far more hygienic than us.
 

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Probably because numerous people haven't had their other mental releases taken away from them, football, traveling, socialising etc.

Also windows don't cut it and a garden no, I'm on a first floor flat.


Until they get let out and numerous of them are a shadow of their former selves.

I know three people in Italy and two are going of their head and the other is seriously concerned his brother is going the same way.
Surely you recognise people have had to put up with much worse than this in the past and didn't become suicidal...

The comforts you're used to aren't required to stay sane. Many people live through much worse every day.
 

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Jeez. Anyone on methotrexate I'd say should stay the feck away from the general public at a time like this. Rheumatologists secretary and ask to leave a message?
Yeah I did this morning. I predict he's inundated with queries from people in the same position as me, or patients wondering if they should stop their methotrexate or whatever else they're taking.
 

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Surely there must be some sort requirements of proof of the fact the parents are key workers?
Also if the kids are classed as vulnerable or have Statements (or whatever they're called now). In my teacher friend's class that is most of the pupils.
 

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You would imagine so, or it's not really a lockdown is it?
I disagree, a lockdown can have many forms. I think a lot of people think immediately to some of the more extreme forms where in reality, it just means all but essential business will close and people will be instructed to stay at home unless they need to go out for something essential (hospital, dentist, supplies etc). I think they will allow outdoor excercise for now. If it becomes a problem they may stop that too.
 

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China changed the diagnosis criteria on Feb 12 to include all patients previously diagnosed by clinicians using CT scans and other means, rather than only counting those confirmed by DNA testing.
Yeah them changing the diagnostic criteria midway has made it really difficult to gauge when they really 'peaked' in terms of total active cases/new cases and when the measures had an effect.
 

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I disagree, a lockdown can have many forms. I think a lot of people think immediately to some of the more extreme forms where in reality, it just means all but essential business will close and people will be instructed to stay at home unless they need to go out for something essential (hospital, dentist, supplies etc). I think they will allow outdoor excercise for now. If it becomes a problem they may stop that too.
Wont that just lead to pics like we saw over weekend though, people congregating in local parks? Just dont think people can be trusted.
 

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You would imagine so, or it's not really a lockdown is it?
"Lockdown" is a rather vague and imprecise term really. You will see collections of measures that both allow and disallow recreational walks being described as lockdowns.