https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/
Bit of a concern perhaps for some Americans
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/
Bit of a concern perhaps for some Americans
There's a Guardian article about some Telecoms Engineers in the UK being verbally and physically threatened and Facebook groups of people videoing themselves destroying phone equipment because of a conspiracy theory going around that the Coronavirus is caused by 5G.
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The point is that you don't know who has COVID and carriers can already spread the virus before they show any signs.
I was surprised too. They knew how the virus moves yet keep saying no point in wearing a mask. Ruddy clowns I agree.
To me it seems that the error FROM NOT wearing masks is vastly costlier than the error FROM wearing masks. So I wear a mask. Decision-making in real life (with imperfect information, uncertain conditions) is based on such asymmetries.
Not according to many people on this thread, apparently wearing one incorrectly does more harm than good according to some.
This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Mask countries are so much better off.
Do explain why the pale blue lines are all countries where most people wear masks.
I'm convinced the anti-masks message is because governments don't want others to incorrectly think wearing one will automatically stop people from catching. It seems like an attempt to engineer higher vigilance so that mask wearers don't completely let their guard down.
/conspiracy
It makes you despair.
The number of people in the comments who don't seem to think maintaining internet connectivity during a period where everyone is stuck at home requiring information is "essential work" is also astounding.
I've seen lots of people who wear masks mindlessly touching their face trying to adjust them, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a statistic that shows little effect of mass distribution of masks.
Yeah that was silly vid of the woman who told some workers they were laying cables which would kill everyoneThere's a Guardian article about some Telecoms Engineers in the UK being verbally and physically threatened and Facebook groups of people videoing themselves destroying phone equipment because of a conspiracy theory going around that the Coronavirus is caused by 5G.
The county my wife works in has the 3rd most ICU beds in the state and her hospital system has had to convert whole pediatric and medical surgical wings into extensions of the ICU.
https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/
Bit of a concern perhaps for some Americans
How many people were inside?
Did you consider the people inside lived there? (I'm being serious.)
If only those idiots' fear of technology made them refrain from using the internet to pick up more and more stupid conspiracy theories. Maybe states should actually use troll farms to start such a movement.
Mostly those in Dumbfeckistan.
https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/
Bit of a concern perhaps for some Americans
masks are good guys
Intuitively, I think masks work. They probably won't stop you from getting coronavirus if you get exposed to it, but intuitively they are effective at stopping you and other people from spreading it around. Or at least spreading it around to the same degree.
But the thing doesn't work if everyone doesn't do it & there isn't a culture of using them. SK/Hong Kong/China already have their use ingrained culturally, it's definitely not the case in Europe. You also need to make sure they're disposed of correctly & they're obviously environmental contaminants too.
But the thing doesn't work if everyone doesn't do it & there isn't a culture of using them. SK/Hong Kong/China already have their use ingrained culturally, it's definitely not the case in Europe. You also need to make sure they're disposed of correctly & they're obviously environmental contaminants too.
They should cut off the internet to the conspiracy theorists.
Tbh Ive been told by someone extremely high up in the NHS that the majority of masks do absolutely nothing, outside the n95s.
Placebo more than anything.
Placebo more than anything.
So, on the subject of masks, that order from Donald to 3M not to ship to Canada? Apparently the specific pulp used as part of the N95 only comes from Canada. There are also nurses that cross the border daily and work in hard hit Detroit.
Great move, Donny...
Great move, Donny...
This kinda shit is what you see, along with people wearing facemasks (improperly) and using gloves (improperly). It isn’t doing a damn thing to stop Covid.
they stop the people who don't know how to cover their mouths from coughing directly into your nostrils
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but what you've written is not strictly true.
Four starting premise:
1. Covid19 spreads 'person to person' OR 'person touching contaminated surface with hand and then placing near mouth, nose or eyes'.
2. People touch their face 200+ times a day.
3. Masks are effective at capturing droplets, which is a main transmission route of coronavirus, and some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection versus no barrier alone . https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ect-me-from-coronavirus-covid-19-myths-busted
4. The evidence says mask reduce likelihood of covid19 airborne particles from entering your mouth or nose, but not 100% guarantee .
Scenario: Let's say I'm infected but asymptomatic, so not in strict quarantine but following social distancing. When out of home, wearing mask stops me from spreading covid19 particles onto my hand, which I could then spread onto surfaces, which others would later touch eg: (eg a shopping basket, trolly or a door handle). Next person who touches surface also not wearing mask, then touches mouth/nose and could get infected.
In that instance, wearing a mask helps me not to spread covid19, and not wearing mask has acted as a 'spreading' agent, and would contribute to infecting others.
Scenario: Let's say I'm uninfected. I wear a mask outside. Unknowingly I touch a surface in a shop where covid19 was alive (eg a shopping basket, trolly or a door handle). Because I'm wearing a mask, it reminds me not to touch face with hand until I get out of shop or get home. After I leave shop or when I get home, I wash hands with soap or use 60%+ alcohol based hand sanitiser. Then take off mask and can touch my face without risk.
In that instance, the mask has acted as a 'protection' barrier, and most likely saved me from being infected.
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That’s Gemma O’D isn’t it?
The normal masks are to stop people giving the virus out. If everyone wears one then it's bleeding obvious that it will be restricted rather than as open now.
Thanks, that's very interesting. Upper Montana, most of Idaho and Nevada, and the Nebraska/South Dakota border seem to be ICU deserts. Don't know how many people that could potentially affect, though.
https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus...-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/
Bit of a concern perhaps for some Americans
I think the advice came from a good place, which was to discourage non frontline people from panic buying and hoarding.
Yep, that's her crowd. I suppose they're consistent at least
Again, I've never denied that health care professionals be given priority, that's not exactly what you were previously arguing was it?
Anyway, everyone stay safe.
Why were you going? To catch a helicopter on top of the roof of Tesco?
Broadband engineers threatened due to 5G coronavirus conspiracies
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/03/broadband-engineers-threatened-due-to-5g-coronavirus-conspiracies
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Except you're not used to wearing the mask and find it hot and uncomfortable. You touch it a few times trying to make it more comfortable and transmit the virus from your fingers to your face.
Anyone watched the Red Zone report on Sky News? It's fecking grim to watch. Worrying when they're all saying we're not doing enough.
I bought some whilst in Thailand, and luckily for me, the pharmacist took the time to explain how to properly wear (N95 for 2*7 hour flights was a real challenge!). I also noticed (via TV) that many people in SE Asian nations immediately started wearing masks as soon as it became a major issue in their country.
You're right. I'm not saying everyone knows how to use properly (myself included) but what to do? Unlike SE Asia, western governments and citizens have been found totally uneducated and unprepared about a Corona virus pandemic.
I understand people in west being freaked out and wearing masks, albeit without proper education. Hope they can all quickly educate themselves. If mask wearing was to be officially recommended (only after front line workers had enough stocks for their more critical needs), then an instructive communications program would also be required.
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I don’t think he’s even noticed.Hmmm
A lot of Asian countries suffered a lot with SARS and sort of developed a mask wearing culture out of it.
Masks are extremely uncomfortable to wear for more than a few minutes and it takes time to get used to them. I have a crazy P100 mask that I wear at the gun range as it gets a bit smoky indoors. It's soft TPE rubber. If I feel the need to wear a mask during this, it'll be that one as I can get a much better seal than with the standard masks.
Assuming countries flatten the curve, what then? If you just open up the countries again, the virus will more than likely return.
Unless you lockdown specific parts of the country and do what South korea does.
IMO it is going to be a long few months. We will still be dealing with this, in some shape or form come Winter i feel.
Unless you lockdown specific parts of the country and do what South korea does.
IMO it is going to be a long few months. We will still be dealing with this, in some shape or form come Winter i feel.