SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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If a 95 year old would go into cardiac arrest from hypoxemia (which would be the likely cause of death if related to Covid 19), I can assure you that even if they were able to resuscitate him, his life post-CA would not be 'good and interesting' due to the brain damage suffered. Most likely, he would be in a vegetative state if ever discharged from hospital. Short periods of hypoxia in an already vulnerable brain can cause massive damage.
Doesn't quality of life after a C/A depend on certain factors, including how quickly he is resuscitated?
 

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From the early reports I've read, he's only been admitted because he's still displaying symptoms after 10 days and has gone in for 'precautionary testing'.
An observation rather than speculation: there’s absolutely no way we would be told how serious it was at this moment in time. Everything will be just fine and nothing to worry about and just precaution, until it’s not.
 

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He was on the news every night. The face of the govt. response.
Yes but the deputy CMO can relay those messages. What I mean is, he doesn’t have a fan base and is not democratically voted for, so he has no duty to keep joe public updated on his health.
 
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If he's gone to hospital it's got to be pretty fecking serious. I wonder if it's a special hospital, some private place. You can be sure he wasn't taken down the road to st. Thomas's.
Yes somewhat agree, downing street are playing it down as for "routine bloods" but I would have thought that that they could be done in the community. Who knows.
 

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If he's gone to hospital it's got to be pretty fecking serious. I wonder if it's a special hospital, some private place. You can be sure he wasn't taken down the road to st. Thomas's.
My thoughts exactly. I thought he had been fairly quiet media wise in the last couple of days. I suspect he’s ended up with the serious form of the virus.
 

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It's a bit odd that Trump hasn't done his usual 'My great friend the UK Prime Minister' stuff recently, especially as Johnson's been ill. Wonder if there's been a disagreement between them?
 

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Good speech by the Queen.

The 'We'll meet again' line was a bit unsettling. Trying to draw comparisons between this pandemic and the war is nonsense. WW2 was an existential threat to this country, COVID 19 absolutely isn't.

Still, a very good speech by Liz.
Why do you think other country's leaders have drawn comparison between this pandemic and WW2?

This kind of coverage worries me.

While we are getting the odd idiot outliner the vast majority of the country are sticking to the social distancing measures. I have friends all over the country due to my preference for socially active hostels when I travel and I've messaged a vast amount in recent days and not one of them have reported major breaking of the rules, in two weeks of daily walks and to the shop myself the only time I've seen something that could even be passed off as rule breaking was four people at a large skate park.

Not that many people are actually breaking the rules especially in rural areas yet if you listen to the media you'd think half the country is at it, unfortunately too many people rely on the media to form their own opinions which will only drag the narrative that "so many people are taking the piss innit" even further which will probably lead to our daily exercise right stripped.
The people making the decisions will not be taking those decisions based on Twitter clips. They have access to real data in the form of widespread surveillance, road usage, park closures, etc. If they are seeing significant spikes at the weekend then their comprehensive data will be slightly more impactful than your anecdotal data.
 

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If a 95 year old would go into cardiac arrest from hypoxemia (which would be the likely cause of death if related to Covid 19), I can assure you that even if they were able to resuscitate him, his life post-CA would not be 'good and interesting' due to the brain damage suffered. Most likely, he would be in a vegetative state if ever discharged from hospital. Short periods of hypoxia in an already vulnerable brain can cause massive damage.
Yes, I'm aware that there are risks, I'm a retired nurse. However, if a patient is directly asked about DNA orders, and he's in his right mind and has a good quality of life, I find it completely wrong that the doctor can then say "we're going to say DNA anyway". I know there is a legal requirement to ask, but if you give it as an option and then simply send a letter after the fact saying you're going to ignore the patient's wishes, there was no point asking in the first place.

When I was working in clinical areas, a lot of older people were written off simply because they were old. As I said to Steve, I know things have changed from that terrible state of affairs, but I've seen enough to be cautious.
 

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Guardian said:
Johnson expected to stay in hospital overnight

The BBC reports that the prime minister is expected to stay in hospital overnight.
Johnson is in an NHS hospital in London where he will stay for “as long as needed”.

As the first secretary of state, Dominic Raab is expected to chair the government’s Monday morning meeting.
 

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It's a bit odd that Trump hasn't done his usual 'My great friend the UK Prime Minister' stuff recently, especially as Johnson's been ill. Wonder if there's been a disagreement between them?
He threw Boris and his response to the crisis under a bus the other day to try and deflect criticism from himself, can't imagine they're on particularly cordial terms at the moment
 

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One of my current concerns is that I am currently far, far more unfit than I was a month ago. My regular sources of exercise have been taken away, and whilst I have been trying to compensate - going for a jog or a walk every day and spending a bit of time on my rowing machine (turned out to be a shrewd purchase a few months ago!) doesnt compare to what I normally do and enjoy.

Basically, and without expecting a real answer, it would be interesting to see the correlation (if any) between general fitness levels, and COVID severity. A month ago, it wouldnt have surprised me if I had already caught it and just not noticed, whereas now I feel like it would be a much bigger deal. Now, I am still young enough that I wouldnt consider myself as "vulnerable", but on a mass scale I wonder if taking away everyone's regular sources of exercise counteracts some of the benefits of the lockdown/social distancing.
 

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Raab in charge during a crisis... Great stuff.

Edit: Just seen he's only chairing meetings, Boris remains in charge even though he's in a hospital.
 

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Yes, I'm aware that there are risks, I'm a retired nurse. However, if a patient is directly asked about DNA orders, and he's in his right mind and has a good quality of life, I find it completely wrong that the doctor can then say "we're going to say DNA anyway". I know there is a legal requirement to ask, but if you give it as an option and then simply send a letter after the fact saying you're going to ignore the patient's wishes, there was no point asking in the first place.

When I was working in clinical areas, a lot of older people were written off simply because they were old. As I said to Steve, I know things have changed from that terrible state of affairs, but I've seen enough to be cautious.
In Sweden, the decision to attempt resuscitation or not lies completely with the medically trained people treating the patient. The patient, or their closest relatives, must be informed but agreement with the decision is not necessary. Also, there's a difference between there 'being risks' and there being a near certainty for a very low quality of life after a resuscitation attempt, which would be the case here.

Essentially, the fact that he was asked his opinion on resuscitation doesn't necessarily mean that he actually had a say in the matter. It was more likely asked to gauge whether they would have to explain to the man why they would be going against his wishes or if they were in agreement with regards to the decision that was actually made.

I do think that the way the tweet put it (asked to sign a DNR) comes across as very harsh though.

Obviously, this is based on the legal framework being similar to Sweden's.
 

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One of my current concerns is that I am currently far, far more unfit than I was a month ago. My regular sources of exercise have been taken away, and whilst I have been trying to compensate - going for a jog or a walk every day and spending a bit of time on my rowing machine (turned out to be a shrewd purchase a few months ago!) doesnt compare to what I normally do and enjoy.

Basically, and without expecting a real answer, it would be interesting to see the correlation (if any) between general fitness levels, and COVID severity. A month ago, it wouldnt have surprised me if I had already caught it and just not noticed, whereas now I feel like it would be a much bigger deal. Now, I am still young enough that I wouldnt consider myself as "vulnerable", but on a mass scale I wonder if taking away everyone's regular sources of exercise counteracts some of the benefits of the lockdown/social distancing.
How much were you exercising before
 

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Raab in charge during a crisis... Great stuff.

Edit: Just seen he's only chairing meetings, Boris remains in charge even though he's in a hospital.
You think it's much better with Borris?
 

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How much were you exercising before
Its less about me personally and more about the general level of health in the country. Personally I played football a couple of times a week, cycled to work and did kickboxing once a week. Again though, more just piques my interest that if the general population arent able to stay as active, fit and healthy as normally, then surely that makes people (in a very broad sense) more vulnerable to higher severity of the virus?