SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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In Sweden, the decision to attempt resuscitation or not lies completely with the medically trained people treating the patient. The patient, or their closest relatives, must be informed but agreement with the decision is not necessary. Also, there's a difference between there 'being risks' and there being a near certainty for a very low quality of life after a resuscitation attempt, which would be the case here.

Essentially, the fact that he was asked his opinion on resuscitation doesn't necessarily mean that he actually had a say in the matter. It was more likely asked to gauge whether they would have to explain to the man why they would be going against his wishes or if they were in agreement with regards to the decision that was actually made.

I do think that the way the tweet put it (asked to sign a DNR) comes across as very harsh though.

Obviously, this is based on the legal framework being similar to Sweden's.
It's not vastly different in the UK - there was a landmark case about 10 years ago which was based on the fact that the patient and family hadn't been consulted. The patient (in her 60s) had terminal lung cancer and had been admitted after sustaining a cervical fracture in an RTA, so it was a very different set of circumstances.

I don't know anything about how you approach the medical care of very old people in your country - hopefully it's better than in the UK!
 

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Encourage many to do what exactly.
'Encouraging' doesn't have to mean prompting somebody to act, in this case, I meant she spoke wisely and at times profoundly. Many, especially the elderly will have found that 'encouraging' and morale boosting.
 

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I’m no fan of the royals but you’ve got to be pretty damned ignorant to ask why the queen is speaking at a time like this for feck sake.
 

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It has nothing to do with her age, just don’t see how a speech from the Queen would inspire anyone. The Royals have no relevance to real life, they’re just a tourist attraction.
Fortunately you're in the minority and obviously have an issue with the Queen hence calling her an old bag.

Makes everything you say, and your opinion, subjective bollocks.
 

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It has nothing to do with her age, just don’t see how a speech from the Queen would inspire anyone. The Royals have no relevance to real life, they’re just a tourist attraction.

If you want to discuss the relevance of the royals then take it to another thread. Some people like her and some people don't but inflammatory posting can lead to warnings and the like so please take it elsewhere.
 

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It has nothing to do with her age, just don’t see how a speech from the Queen would inspire anyone. The Royals have no relevance to real life, they’re just a tourist attraction.
Lots of people, particularly the elderly, would have found her speech re-assuring and taken something from it.
I really couldn't care less about the Royals but not sure why so many people seem so intent on dismissing this speech tonight.
 

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Fortunately you're in the minority and obviously have an issue with the Queen hence calling her an old bag.

Makes everything you say, and your opinion, subjective bollocks.
There are many who don’t like the Royals but due to the media spin its constantly portrayed that everyone loves them. So it isn’t subjective bollocks at all.
 

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'Encouraging' doesn't have to mean prompting somebody to act, in this case, I meant she spoke wisely and at times profoundly. Many, especially the elderly will have found that 'encouraging' and morale boosting.
Yes, I've never been a Royalist, but the fact that she makes so few public speeches makes it significant when she decides she wants to speak to the nation. The vast majority of Brits have no recollection of her not being the monarch, she's a constant whereas politicians come and go like buses. She's also dignified, something that's sadly lacking as far as political leaders are concerned.
 

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There are many who don’t like the Royals but due to the media spin its constantly portrayed that everyone loves them. So it isn’t subjective bollocks at all.
I'm not talking about many I'm talking about you. Your opening gambit was to be derogatory about her. Your opinion is subjective and clearly skewed as you don't like her. That makes what you say emotive bollocks.
 

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If you want to discuss the relevance of the royals then take it to another thread. Some people like her and some people don't but inflammatory posting can lead to warnings and the like so please take it elsewhere.
Fair point.
 

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Can't get some of your lot. She is your fecking head of state, its expected for such a position to address the nation in a global crisis likethe current one. Whether or not you like having permanent head of state, that's a completely different discussion.
 

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Can't get some of your lot. She is your fecking head of state, its expected for such a position to address the nation in a global crisis likethe current one. Whether or not you like having permanent head of state, that's a completely different discussion.
It epitomises all that's wrong with the country at the moment to be honest.
 

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It's not vastly different in the UK - there was a landmark case about 10 years ago which was based on the fact that the patient and family hadn't been consulted. The patient (in her 60s) had terminal lung cancer and had been admitted after sustaining a cervical fracture in an RTA, so it was a very different set of circumstances.

I don't know anything about how you approach the medical care of very old people in your country - hopefully it's better than in the UK!
Even in those (open and shut in terms of resuscitation) cases there have been reprimands for not informing the patient or next of kin of DNR decisions.

It varies from case to case obviously, but it's not impossible that we would admit a 90 year old, otherwise healthy, patient to the ICU for noradrenaline treatment in case of sepsis, but state ahead of time that we won't start dialysis or intubate the patient should they deteriorate further.

We might also not admit the patient to the ICU at all even if they're 60 due to poor short-term prognosis, so it depends on quality of life, comorbidities and short to medium term prognosis.
 

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Why tigers? Like, not dogs, not cats.. but tigers?

And if tigers are technically cats, why don't cats get it? Or do they?
 

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Why tigers? Like, not dogs, not cats.. but tigers?

And if tigers are technically cats, why don't cats get it? Or do they?
A friend of mine used to say on a night out "pussy's pussy" just before taking home a vile looking girl.

Same applies here.
 

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Why tigers? Like, not dogs, not cats.. but tigers?

And if tigers are technically cats, why don't cats get it? Or do they?
A few days ago a belgian cat was allegedly positive. And dogs in Hong Kong.
 

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Yes somewhat agree, downing street are playing it down as for "routine bloods" but I would have thought that that they could be done in the community. Who knows.
I suspect it’s quite serious. For a man of his importance, am sure a doctor could visit him at his residence ‘for bloods and a check up’.

Also no matter what they say, any covid19 suffering President or PM being forced to go to hospital is going to be HUGE news, let alone it being Boris and UK.

And lastly, given there is no vaccine or cure, what can they do at hospital that you can’t do at home, roughing it out? Maybe any resident docs on here can advise?

Unless it’s a double bluff after Queens speech: scare British public into staying at home: if PM can get so Ill, we are all doomed if we step outside!