SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[BluesJr]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html

Is it just me or does this kind of stuff need to be highlighted much more in briefings/the media? I still think the majority of people believe this is a mild illness unless you’re old with health problems. Going down that route early on was a massive mistake to try and keep people calm and it’s had the opposite effect imo and has caused ignorance.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html

Is it just me or does this kind of stuff need to be highlighted much more in briefings/the media? I still think the majority of people believe this is a mild illness unless you’re old with health problems. Going down that route early on was a massive mistake to try and keep people calm and it’s had the opposite effect imo and has caused ignorance.

I can't work out what the following means? Does it mean they got complications with existing complications or?

It found half of all the patients had at least one complication with complications, such as heart, kidney or lung problems, most common in men aged 30 and over.

They go on to say the following so I assume the heart, kidney or lung problems were pre-exisiting conditions?

Examples of ‘long covid’ symptoms included fatigue, coughing, headaches, and muscle pains but the study did not consider all symptoms.

Where is the published copy of the study?

I disagree and think it's better to not try scaring the shit out of people, and for the vast majority it absolutely is a mild illness. Let’s not forget we have 110 million confirmed cases WorldWide which is likely just the tip of the iceberg.

Widespread panic is never beneficial in my personal opinion, and how would it have helped exactly? You've locked down your fecking countries for the best part of a year after all, why would scaring the shit out of everyone make that better?

 

[Smores]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html

Is it just me or does this kind of stuff need to be highlighted much more in briefings/the media? I still think the majority of people believe this is a mild illness unless you’re old with health problems. Going down that route early on was a massive mistake to try and keep people calm and it’s had the opposite effect imo and has caused ignorance.

It has welfare implications so they won't recognise the full extent of long covid. It'll continue to get downplayed and will probably have dubious studies that say people just need to get back to work.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Apart from not going to the gym, what is causing MH issues for some people?

Are you being deliberately obtuse or actually wondering?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The form of our front three.

 

[Stanley Road]

Are you being deliberately obtuse or actually wondering?

Actually wondering. Even when we have a curfew the only thing that has changed for myself is dining out. I can still go out after 9 so long as I have the dog with me, I get enough exercise walking her. My lunch times are no longer boring as they were in the office and I have plenty of time to cook after work as I have no commute. Weather is getting warmer and summer is on the way. We have already booked a staycation and have that to look forward to. There is light at the end of the tunnel and I would rather look positively forward than look back in misery.

 

[groovyalbert]

Apart from not going to the gym, what is causing MH issues for some people?

Wondering when Ole's second real test will happen

 

[Vidyoyo]

Actually wondering. Even when we have a curfew the only thing that has changed for myself is dining out. I can still go out after 9 so long as I have the dog with me, I get enough exercise walking her. My lunch times are no longer boring as they were in the office and I have plenty of time to cook after work as I have no commute. Weather is getting warmer and summer is on the way. We have already booked a staycation and have that to look forward to. There is light at the end of the tunnel and I would rather look positively forward than look back in misery.

Sounds nice and I'm glad you're finding something to be optimistic about.

You seem quite settled though? I think it's generally tough for people who aren't in that bracket and who are trying/hoping to move forward in life (or those who have kids as that seems like an absolute nightmare).

 

[Dumbstar]

It has welfare implications so they won't recognise the full extent of long covid. It'll continue to get downplayed and will probably have dubious studies that say people just need to get back to work.

Is probably the right answer. The UK government has opened 40 long covid clinics and I've got my GP to refer my daughter to one of these as they (GPs) still have no clue, and worryingly no interest, in what she's going through. Now I have to wait for these clinics to contact me but the news I'm reading is they don't want new referrals or are not currently taking new referrals. Back to square one. Or square feck you.

My daughter has had her swabs, blood tests and antibodies test done. Everything is normal and no sign of infection or anti bodies, IgM or IgG. I asked the GP could it be something else insidious. Again, no interest. Told me to wait until the clinic decides what it is or isn't. I'm not surprised by that response as I said months earlier I have found a few GPs (5 or more) only thinking this is all psycho-symptomatic. Even with recent official recognition they are reluctant to act by pushing within the medical community, i.e. logging these cases and symptoms in a generic database. They will sit back and wait to be guided. Until then push the problem along somewhere else.

I have seen first hand what long covid can do. My daughter was going to cruise through her A levels this year but a year of debilitation and brain fog means she will be resitting her final year, if she has recovered by then. Long covid is serious and it is still being reasonably hushed. If people found out the true effects there would be very few anti-vaxxers.

 

[stepic]

Companies are the same, they talk about mental health during lockdown but don't understand how depressed I was going to the office 5 days a week.now I'm so much happier

100% this

Don’t get me wrong I can’t wait for the lockdown to be over but not having to go into the fecking office every day has been absolutely amazing.

 

[NinjaFletch]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56137815

Another day, another dickhead CEO trying to pretend that they oppose lockdown for reasons other than '...but I want to buy a 15th house.'

 

[Vidyoyo]

Is probably the right answer. The UK government has opened 40 long covid clinics and I've got my GP to refer my daughter to one of these as they (GPs) still have no clue, and worryingly no interest, in what she's going through. Now I have to wait for these clinics to contact me but the news I'm reading is they don't want new referrals or are not currently taking new referrals. Back to square one. Or square feck you.

My daughter has had her swabs, blood tests and antibodies test done. Everything is normal and no sign of infection or anti bodies, IgM or IgG. I asked the GP could it be something else insidious. Again, no interest. Told me to wait until the clinic decides what it is or isn't. I'm not surprised by that response as I said months earlier I have found a few GPs (5 or more) only thinking this is all psycho-symptomatic. Even with recent official recognition they are reluctant to act by pushing within the medical community, i.e. logging these cases and symptoms in a generic database. They will sit back and wait to be guided. Until then push the problem along somewhere else.

I have seen first hand what long covid can do. My daughter was going to cruise through her A levels this year but a year of debilitation and brain fog means she will be resitting her final year, if she has recovered by then. Long covid is serious and it is still being reasonably hushed. If people found out the true effects there would be very few anti-vaxxers.

One of my mates has it and was referred to a specialist a few weeks ago. He was told that it's some sort of delayed post-viral fatigue and that the threshold isn't immediately apparent, so can catch up with him several days after exerting energy. The longer term implication if he doesn't take time out to recover is 'chronic fatigue syndrome'. It could, apparently, take 12 months to return to normal. Really scary stuff. His employers have seemingly been brilliant though.

Ridiculous for you that they aren't taking new referrals.

 

[Dumbstar]

One of my mates has it and was referred to a specialist a few weeks ago. He was told that it's some sort of delayed post-viral fatigue and that the threshold isn't immediately apparent, so can catch up with him several days after exerting energy. The longer term implication if he doesn't take time out to recover is 'chronic fatigue syndrome'. It could, apparently, take 12 months to return to normal. Really scary stuff. His employers have seemingly been brilliant though.

Ridiculous for you that they aren't taking new referrals.

It is really scary, my daughter has effectively been in bed since last March. Was your mate officially diagnosed (swab/antibodies) with having had covid previously? Apparently this affects 1 in 3 covid sufferers and it's usually youngish, healthy people though not exclusively.

 

[Stanley Road]

Sounds nice and I'm glad you're finding something to be optimistic about.

You seem quite settled though? I think it's generally tough for people who aren't in that bracket and who are trying/hoping to move forward in life (or those who have kids as that seems like an absolute nightmare).

I think if you're in the UK you won't have to wait long for easing up of lockdown, we in Europe however, will probably die of old age before getting vaccinated.

 

[jymufc20]

It is really scary, my daughter has effectively been in bed since last March. Was your mate officially diagnosed (swab/antibodies) with having had covid previously? Apparently this affects 1 in 3 covid sufferers and it's usually youngish, healthy people though not exclusively.

Christ mate, has she still not recovered ? How is your wife doing, is she any better ?

 

[Vidyoyo]

I think if you're in the UK you won't have to wait long for easing up of lockdown, we in Europe however, will probably die of old age before getting vaccinated.

Where are you based? I want to say NL?

 

[Vidyoyo]

It is really scary, my daughter has effectively been in bed since last March. Was your mate officially diagnosed (swab/antibodies) with having had covid previously? Apparently this affects 1 in 3 covid sufferers and it's usually youngish, healthy people though not exclusively.

I wish you and her all the best. I know from talking to my mate how much an official diagnosis can help ease the issues (obviously it doesn't fix them but for peace of mind etc).

He was officially diagnosed, yeah. He's 30 and relatively fit/healthy - slim, works out a lot.

 

[Dumbstar]

Christ mate, has she still not recovered ? How is your wife doing, is she any better ?

She's slightly better but recovered is not the term I would use. We're trying to control her post viral inflammations (probably what it is, medical community not telling us anything) with diet and supplements. As mentioned above, the hope is recovery will come gradually as it did with SARS1 long haul sufferers.

The wife took the initiative and pushed through the pain and debilitation to recover from will power alone last year. Still has some minor GERD issues but very mild now. I don't want to push my daughter through that as she's a delicate petal and she likes being the centre of attention. Want to avoid CFS in case we push too hard.

Thanks for remembering and asking. But yeah, I was all ok to be herd immunised until this long covid shit hit first hand. Now I just want to be vaccinated ASAP. Thank God my mum avoided all this happening at home and has now been vaxxed.

 

[jymufc20]

She's slightly better but recovered is not the term I would use. We're trying to control her post viral inflammations (probably what it is, medical community not telling us anything) with diet and supplements. As mentioned above, the hope is recovery will come gradually as it did with SARS1 long haul sufferers.

The wife took the initiative and pushed through the pain and debilitation to recover from will power alone last year. Still has some minor GERD issues but very mild now. I don't want to push my daughter through that as she's a delicate petal and she likes being the centre of attention. Want to avoid CFS in case we push too hard.

Thanks for remembering and asking. But yeah, I was all ok to be herd immunised until this long covid shit hit first hand. Now I just want to be vaccinated ASAP. Thank God my mum avoided all this happening at home and has now been vaxxed.

Nice to hear about your wife and mum, hope your daughter gets through it soon, bring on the vaccine I say.

 

[Stanley Road]

Where are you based? I want to say NL?

Yes I am

 

[Stanley Road]

She's slightly better but recovered is not the term I would use. We're trying to control her post viral inflammations (probably what it is, medical community not telling us anything) with diet and supplements. As mentioned above, the hope is recovery will come gradually as it did with SARS1 long haul sufferers.

The wife took the initiative and pushed through the pain and debilitation to recover from will power alone last year. Still has some minor GERD issues but very mild now. I don't want to push my daughter through that as she's a delicate petal and she likes being the centre of attention. Want to avoid CFS in case we push too hard.

Thanks for remembering and asking. But yeah, I was all ok to be herd immunised until this long covid shit hit first hand. Now I just want to be vaccinated ASAP. Thank God my mum avoided all this happening at home and has now been vaxxed.

I wish you and all your family a full recovery, I also wish your story would go out to the masses

 

[golden_blunder]

Meanwhile people with underlying health conditions are set to be moved up the vaccination priority list under a plan being worked on by Government this weekend.

More than 370,000 people aged between 18 and 64 were ranked at number seven in the initial vaccination allocation list announced late last year.

However, there is a strong view in Government that this needs to change given that thousands of people in this group have not left their homes in almost a year amid fears that they could get the virus.

The Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has now received updated advice on the matter from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee.

A memo is now being drafted and is likely to go to a meeting of Cabinet on Tuesday.

While work on the revised list is still ongoing there are indications that those with health issues could be listed as the next priority group after the over 70s have been vaccinated.

These health conditions include diabetes, cancer, and heart, kidney, neurological and respiratory diseases.

honestly I feel like crying with happiness after reading that tonight on RTE news.

 

[Superunknown]

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Key information has leaked...again. Clearly this has been done on purpose.

My first instinct is that it looks like doing too much too soon...again. Shocked at the lack of staggered returns to school. Also, looks like tiers are no longer in existence.

 

[Dumbstar]

Fecking hell, no 5 aside footy until end of March. What a load of shit. We were doing just fine last summer until pubs re-opened with the drink and meal bullshit. Then numbers started going up. Open up more alcohol at Christmas and it got worse.

I swear this government is fecking useless. No I haven't only just come to this conclusion but I feel angry right now. Alcohol thick skulled arseholes, it's the alcohol!

 

[jderbyshire]

Two people will be able to meet for a coffee outside from March 8th?

I'm glad no one has been doing that for the past 12 months.

 

[King Eric 7]

The reopening looks pretty cautious to me. No non-essential retail until at least April too.

 

[Stanley Road]

Fecking hell, no 5 aside footy until end of March. What a load of shit. We were doing just fine last summer until pubs re-opened with the drink and meal bullshit. Then numbers started going up. Open up more alcohol at Christmas and it got worse.

I swear this government is fecking useless. No I haven't only just come to this conclusion but I feel angry right now. Alcohol thick skulled arseholes, it's the alcohol!

Jesus, have you looked at European countries by chance?

 

[Berbaclass]

The reopening looks pretty cautious to me. No non-essential retail until at least April too.

Really? My job is classed as non essential retail.

 

[King Eric 7]

Really? My job is classed as non essential retail.

Yeah, they just mentioned this on BBC News.

 

[Berbaclass]

Yeah, they just mentioned this on BBC News.

Cool thanks.

 

[Eire Red United]

Fecking hell, no 5 aside footy until end of March. What a load of shit. We were doing just fine last summer until pubs re-opened with the drink and meal bullshit. Then numbers started going up. Open up more alcohol at Christmas and it got worse.

I swear this government is fecking useless. No I haven't only just come to this conclusion but I feel angry right now. Alcohol thick skulled arseholes, it's the alcohol!

Thats not true- cases stayed low until schools/unis opened in the autumn.

 

[Wibble]

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Key information has leaked...again. Clearly this has been done on purpose.

My first instinct is that it looks like doing too much too soon...again. Shocked at the lack of staggered returns to school. Also, looks like tiers are no longer in existence.

That looks almost cavalier imo. No way will they have done enough vaccination to open up so much safely on that time scale. You just have to hope the better weather helps. Imagine a third wave while mass vaccination is still happening?

 

[Skills]

Surely they should just wait until Easter to open schools?

 

[pacifictheme]

Surely they should just wait until Easter to open schools?

And delay everything else even further? It's an interesting idea because it's only 3 weeks from 8 March to Easter anyway.

But it will have been 4 months that children have seen anyone else, sending them back before Easter reduces the time in isolation by a month. I think schools should reopen but nothing else at the moment

 

[Smores]

I wish they'd stagger the school reopening and target the years most impacted instead of a big bang. Maybe even a week each.

I think the rest looks reasonable enough but as always we know people go a little further so perhaps the message should be stronger.

 

[Wolverine]

I think adherence to guidelines is better under full national lockdown with more rule breaking occurring during the tiered systems because relaxed rules are in the aggregate arent adhered to enough. Schools should be fine, the outdoor meetings in themselves are fine but its about if they lead to indoor meetings. To be fair there's loads of that now, even with the fines deterring people.

There's no easy solution but personally with us now having more evidence that vaccine likely reduces transmission I would personally wait for the over 60s having their second jabs or something like all over 50 having at least one. But I understand financial and social implications of that approach but if the aim is to be the last lockdown then cautious approach like that which reduces cases going back up again is the way to go.

Also concerns about seeding and spread of new variants into communities

 

[Balljy]

If the BBC is correct 2 household outdoor social gatherings and allowing people to move outside of their local areas will be from 29th March. That's setup for absolute chaos later that week due to the 4 day easter weekend starting on the Friday.

 

[Wolverine]

I'm not filled with confidence

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[Massive Spanner]

You lot complaining, I wish we had the UK's roadmap in Ireland. We seem to be going our usual approach of "do what other countries do but way slower because our government are a bunch of pussies."

 

[Berbaclass]

You lot complaining, I wish we had the UK's roadmap in Ireland. We seem to be going our usual approach of "do what other countries do but way slower because our government are a bunch of pussies."

I hope this post ages well.