That’s a lot of whataboutism for one post. I don’t care if we were winning absolutely everything at a canter and the Saudi’s took over. I still wouldn’t support a team owned by the Saudi state. If you could and would, all the power to you.
Are you implying that the moaning is misplaced? Do you think that people who are averse to the idea of the club we love being owned by sexist, racist, religiously-intolerant murderous dictators are simply "a bad smell"? Is this seriously what you're saying?General question but I'm wondering if all those who state they will no longer follow the club, will all leave the Caf, or will they hang around like a bad smell moaning about the owners?
That'd be related to the conflict in Yemen.So basically you would condone genocide provided that we have money to compete again it makes it easier for you to get tickets.
What / which genocide, precisely, are you going on about ??
Obviously your well entitled to your viewpoint and as you say, all power to you for having it. I however think differently. It's not about supporting the Saudis for me, it's about supporting Manchester United. They might take us over, but United will be their long after they've finished with us.That’s a lot of whataboutism for one post. I don’t care if we were winning absolutely everything at a canter and the Saudi’s took over. I still wouldn’t support a team owned by the Saudi state. If you could and would, all the power to you.
There are a fair share of dickheads in every fanbase, so probably yes.IF this happens I wonder if we’d get match going United fans dressing as Saudis. Similar situation to city fans when they got their takeover
loving something owed by someone else, it cant be loved because of someone else.Are you implying that the moaning is misplaced? Do you think that people who are averse to the idea of the club we love being owned by sexist, racist, religiously-intolerant murderous dictators are simply "a bad smell"? Is this seriously what you're saying?
What about the genocide committed by the West, against the people of the middle east?So basically you would condone genocide provided that we have money to compete again it makes it easier for you to get tickets.
The west are far more genocidal than the Arab states. You can have many reasons to not want a Saudi takeover but this one, whilst unpleasant, is just hypocrisy.So basically you would condone genocide provided that we have money to compete again it makes it easier for you to get tickets.
Delusional mate. It will never happen. We have a valuation of 4bn. We are out of reach of fan ownership by miles. Bad people is all we have left. Unless Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos fancies buying the club who else is there?The Glazer's are shit owners but they don't kill, torture and imprison people. They don't cause political and military problems in many countries.
We should be demanding fan participation in club ownership, like Germany. Not capitulating and swapping the selfish and incompetent Glazers for an autocratic Dictator who heads a murderous and tyrannical regime.
How is it so hard to understand that an independent businessman political views about a government and Middle east monarchs are not the same thing?The west are far more genocidal than the Arab states. You can have many reasons to not want a Saudi takeover but this one, whilst unpleasant, is just hypocrisy.
As far as I am aware no western government has shown any interest in buying man utd so your post is irrelevant.The west are far more genocidal than the Arab states. You can have many reasons to not want a Saudi takeover but this one, whilst unpleasant, is just hypocrisy.
Indeed. Show me the petition to prevent Blair, Bush and Rumsfeld from purchasing the club, and I'll sign it. For the record, I wouldn't be keen on King John or Henry VIII owning United, either.As far as I am aware no western government has shown any interest in buying man utd so your post is irrelevant.
That’s literally whataboutismNo what aboutism at all. Just asking if people giving up watching United do not use Amazon, Uber, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Nokia, Apple, Lenovo etc. Just to understand the consistency. For the life of me, I can't imagine being able to maintain that consistency
Phoney Tony who claimed to be a Newcastle fan when it was allegedly everyones second favourite team. I remember him harping on about it in one of his excruciating QandA sessions with some kids and I was dying for one of them to ask him to name the first eleven so I could watch him panicking with his earpieceIndeed. Show me the petition to prevent Blair, Bush and Rumsfeld from purchasing the club, and I'll sign it. For the record, I wouldn't be keen on King John or Henry VIII owning United, either.
It’s just drawing comparisons though.That’s literally whataboutism
The difference is that the US government and other western governments do not own United. Private investors do.What about the genocide committed by the West, against the people of the middle east?
So much bombing and killing and it's still happening.
Please don't make out that Westerners are any better.
The West conducted an illegal war, bombing Iraq into oblivion. That's a 1000 times worse than what the Saudis are doing.
Really? Its owned by a family up to their chins in Trumpness. Think again lad.As far as I am aware no western government has shown any interest in buying man utd so your post is irrelevant.
Which is why I don't expect the Saudi government or their Crown Prince to play a prominent role in the early stages of the takeover or running of the club if it ever materializes. If they ever do it they will do it by proxy, I think directly owning a football club will limit what they can do in football but then its United.Taking a step back from all the hate and rightly formed opinions. Why does nobody talk about Saudi trying to reform itself in a sense? Many laws have recently been changed withing the last 18 months to bring less oppression and more control over a persons own life. In no way am I validating this as them turning over a new leaf, but does anyone think a religiously established nation can change overnight?
I see alot of steps, outside of football, that Saudi Arabia are taking to welcome the world to their country more and reform changes that benefit their people in a sense. How long did it take Slavery and racism to be kicked out the west? How many Genocides have multiple western governments been involved in over oil/ territory ect?
Surely owning United would only bring more scrutiny down on them to provide change? Quatar has done amazing things to reinvent itself in recent decades, only positivity is coming out of that over recent years.
Future generations of royalty could buy into this even more. If there is a chance it can bring about positive changes, then why not? Don't think everything has to be so black and white.
What?How is it so hard to understand that an independent businessman political views about a government and Middle east monarchs are not the same thing?
Sorry, I don't recall Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg sending their goons to another country to murder, dismember and dissolve someone in acid so I'm struggling to see your point.No what aboutism at all. Just asking if people giving up watching United do not use Amazon, Uber, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Nokia, Apple, Lenovo etc. Just to understand the consistency. For the life of me, I can't imagine being able to maintain that consistency
Accurate points, but I would point out, the value of United is vastly out of reach from fan majority shareholders.I haven't waded into this debate but I will say this:
It is one thing being owned and leveraged by a heartless concoction of businessman and shareholders; it's another to be owned by one of the worst authoritarian regimes in the entire world.
If you regard this point as merely splitting hairs, then it says more about you.
MUST, Sir Alex and the rest really dropped the ball. 13-15 years was more than enough to build up a block-shareholding for and by the fans. Let this be a lesson. We need more fan-owned majority clubs.
I do say probability wise, it's high that David Beckham's ultimate dream is to one day buy or majority own Manchester United.
Which 15 years are you talking about? Because if its since they took over, the only shres you can buy are basically worth feck all when it comes to a vote on literally anything. 1 share is 1 vote. 1 share owned by the glazers is worth 10. And they have 120m of them.I haven't waded into this debate but I will say this:
It is one thing being owned and leveraged by a heartless concoction of businessman and shareholders; it's another to be owned by one of the worst authoritarian regimes in the entire world.
If you regard this point as merely splitting hairs, then it says more about you.
MUST, Sir Alex and the rest really dropped the ball. 13-15 years was more than enough to build up a block-shareholding for and by the fans. Let this be a lesson. We need more fan-owned majority clubs.
I do say probability wise, it's high that David Beckham's ultimate dream is to one day buy or majority own Manchester United.
He also just bought another club.Jim Ratcliffe is a huge United supporter and is Britain's richest man.
When it comes to the idea of potentially buying United from the Glazer family, Ratcliffe has been quick to distance himself from such a 'dumb money' move.
Speaking to The Times, Ratcliffe said: "(Ineos) never wants to be the dumb money in town, never, never."
Asked whether he would be interested in a move for United down the line, Ratcliffe responded: "Not at the moment, no. They are in quite a big pickle as a business."
"They haven't got the manager selection right, haven't bought well. They have been the dumb money, which you see with players like Fred."
"We won't look elsewhere until we have had a good run here (at Nice). We need to find out how to be successful before you ever want to write a big cheque. It's quite difficult."
Ratcliffe added that United have not been the same since Sir Alex Ferguson retired in 2013.
"United have spent an immense amount since Ferguson left and been poor, to put it mildly. Shockingly poor, to be honest," Ratcliffe added.
"We have a different approach here to be moderately intelligent about it. Try to do it more grass roots, trying to locate young talent."
"Some clubs seem to have an ability to do that, Southampton, Lille. United have done it really poorly. They have lost the plot there somehow."
Hasn't he just recently bought a team in france?Jim Ratcliffe is a huge United supporter and is Britain's richest man.
The same people who put the likes of Blair, Bush or Trump in office are the same private investors who own clubs like United and companies like Apple. Without these people's financial, moral and material support (biased media houses) people like Bush wouldn't get into office and when they do they commit war crimes with people like MBS for the benefit of businesses owned by the Glazers and other billionaires.Indeed. Show me the petition to prevent Blair, Bush and Rumsfeld from purchasing the club, and I'll sign it. For the record, I wouldn't be keen on King John or Henry VIII owning United, either.
He’s just bought Nice has he not?Jim Ratcliffe is a huge United supporter and is Britain's richest man.
Ouch!He also just bought another club.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...chester-united-jim-ratcliffe-glazers-17305733
Bravo. Hit the nail on the head in my opinion.The same people who put the likes of Blair, Bush or Trump in office are the same private investors who own clubs like United and companies like Apple. Without these people's financial, moral and material support (biased media houses) people like Bush wouldn't get into office and when they do they commit war crimes with people like MBS for the benefit of businesses owned by the Glazers and other billionaires.
The only difference between MBS and Western warmongers is that the latter do it whilst hiding behind crooked politicians whilst the Saudis lack the sophistication and the motivation to hide their true colors because they don't have to subject themselves to elections and are untouchable.
He also just bought another club.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...chester-united-jim-ratcliffe-glazers-17305733