Irrelevant example, media coverage/access/ social media is on a completely different level compared to 84 damn years ago!
Saudi sports minister gives update on buying club from Glazers
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If you are even thinking of that, I would question your support in the first place. How can you just support some other club? "I don't like Saudis at United, I will just go support City instead as their owners are much better".
Them all includes the UK and the US. That's the point I was making and you seem to have missed.
Typical Western narrative though that it's only the middle East with terrible and evil leaders. It's all just spin. America attack more countries than any other and they are somehow portrayed as the saviours.
I’m not sure how many times it can be posted. No one has once said that the west does not have evil people running their countries. The post you are responding to was saying that he doesn’t want someone like that running United. If Trump puts a bid in then there would be just as much outrage if not more!
I'd be opposed to it on the grounds that he'd turn old Trafford into a gaudy gold palace
First, let's not conflate modernization to liberalization or even social justice. They are aren't synonymous.
The difference between SA potentially ditching Wahabbism and China ditching communism is Wahabbism is directly linked to extremism and terrorism, which presents a very significant threat to the Saudis. China "silently" ditching communism was more about saving face and there lacked a dangerous byproduct like that or terrorism.
I actually disagree liberalization is a must in the 21st century. People have this misconception the world becomes liberal at the linear pace which is not the case. Even in Europe, there has been a shift to more conservative policies. Regardless, from what I hear from people who either lived in the country or are familiar with the middle east no one is holding their breath about the Suadi's becoming more liberal.
Gold Trafford.. Nice.
Do you mean the same government that murdered a journalist for criticizing the government? Many see these plans as nothing but PR for the rest of the world. It's not about transforming themselves. It's about having a PR vehicle, which is what United would be.
United benefits monetarily but will be forever known as a plastic, oil-backed club sponsored by an oppressive regime no matter how much everyone wants to deny it.
I don't think anyone really expects this to happen anymore. There haven't been any serious reports linking the Saudis to United since late autumn 2018. There may or may not have been an actual offer on the table at that point - we will probably never know.
Either way, there were a raft of reports in April 2019, suggesting that the Saudis had walked away and were exploring other options instead. These same reports also said that the Glazers (or at least some of them) were in it for the long haul and were planning to take a more active role in the running of the club (which seems to be coming to fruition, if the recent stories about Joel Glazer are true).
It looks like the Saudis have now turned their attention to Newcastle, which, as others have said, probably makes more sense for them when looked at through the prism of a cost/benefit analysis.
Whatever happened to that guy. He was an utterly hilarious poster on here (in a dangerously unhinged kind of way).
Ok.
Besides the impression I got was that most fans of the big clubs England weren't very arsed about the National team.
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Yes he was...
As opposed to be forever known as a club owned by chintzing changers only focused on getting the best noodle sponsor and not at all concerned with winning?
It's ok if you would rather be a plastic club like City. To each his own.
There wont be any masked mob breaking into MBS's house to protest!
I for one don't care if some money from my United Mbappe shirt funds bombs on yeman... if they own us or not isn't going to change a thing about how the regime acts
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but is it correct to suggest that, if MBS buys United, let's say for £3.5bn, does the club need to show how they will repay the owner back for that amount? Something to do with FFP???
I though they could buy the club for that amount but United could only spend, on transfers, from what they make. I didn't think any new ownership of money would have to be taken into account on how the acquisition cost of the club, would have to be paid back.
I though they could buy the club for that amount but United could only spend, on transfers, from what they make. I didn't think any new ownership of money would have to be taken into account on how the acquisition cost of the club, would have to be paid back.
Ah yes, I can’t do anything about it personally, so why care? Where is yeman by the way?
Integration and positive influence are the way to go this day in age. And I never said I'd welcome them with open arms, I said I don't see the drastically exaggerated downside that the doom mongers on here preach.
At the end of the day the choice is - back them and have all the upsides:
*Release our wealth as a football mega brand
*Replace corporate structure from TOP to BOTTOM
*Refurb the stadium and improve all training facilities
*Invest in scouting and youth (properly)
*Saudi strengthens ties with a household brand in United providing huge media coverage/spotlight
*Positively (no matter how marginal) effect any future Saudi atrocities
Or rally against them taking over:
*Effect nothing
*Still use their oil
*Sit here and wag our fingers at them for another 50 years
I don't even see any moral high ground in the latter choice, never mind any commercial sense.
But we wouldn't. Our debt would be wiped and the Saudis wouldn't need to put any of their wealth into buying players. We can already afford to spend £250m per season of our own earnings but the Glazer's choose not too. Man city, PSG etc was different as they were eaning peanuts as they were shit and didnt bring in much money. Plus what would make us plastic as we are already a huge club with a great history.
You are right there mate, no one in their right mind is going to break into MBS’s house seeing as he has people killed for far less.
I don’t think you see anything to be honest
Feck the press. Just give them directions to the nearest embassy.
About 7 pages of discussion posts but I haven't been able to see if there's actually been any updates. Anyone care to enlighten me?
So why tarnish our great history with a murderous tyrant?
When we have a minutes silence for those who perished in Munich are we going to have another minutes silence for the many more who have been murdered at the hands of our owner who is stood amongst us at Old Trafford?
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There hasn't. Not since the reports last April suggesting that the Saudis had been rebuffed by the Glazers, and were looking elsewhere.
Newcastle appears to be their focus now, with a takeover assumed to be happening this summer:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/26/saudi-340m-takeover-newcastle-leak-threatens-deal
The club wouldn’t have to pay anything back mate as MBS would buy us outright. No loans.
We have to make payments to the bank at the moment because the bastard Glazers took out an enormous loan against the club to buy us, subsequently putting us hundreds of millions of pounds in debt.
Those filthy rats should never have been allowed to do it.
As a trading company there wasn´t anything anybody could have done. Hostile takeovers and leveraged buyouts are a norm for trading companies.
The Saudis are bombing Yemen. Using bombs and missiles supplied by the UK. Nobody here in the UK seems to give a shit. Why?
The US and UK have bombed and attacked like 5 countries in the last 20 years leaving them in ruin, under the false pretense of their rulers having WMDs etc and their countries are now being ravaged by new terrorist groups as nothing was done in the aftermath of the wars to help restructure them.
My point is that in my opinion, yes the Saudis are in the wrong regarding Yemen but no more than what other countries close to home are doing.
And also to mention that peoples morals dont come into it with other industries and business so why should it here?
Apple have been using Chinese 'slaves' for years in the production of their products and also mining the raw materials from a poor and impoverished Africa without any real compensation.
Bad things happen all over the world, all the time. But the Saudis are different or worse that everyone else somehow?
The Saudis are bombing Yemen. Using bombs and missiles supplied by the UK. Nobody here in the UK seems to give a shit. Why?
The US and UK have bombed and attacked like 5 countries in the last 20 years leaving them in ruin, under the false pretense of their rulers having WMDs etc and their countries are now being ravaged by new terrorist groups as nothing was done in the aftermath of the wars to help restructure them.
My point is that in my opinion, yes the Saudis are in the wrong regarding Yemen but no more than what other countries close to home are doing.
And also to mention that peoples morals dont come into it with other industries and business so why should it here?
Apple have been using Chinese 'slaves' for years in the production of their products and also mining the raw materials from a poor and impoverished Africa without any real compensation.
Bad things happen all over the world, all the time. But the Saudis are different or worse that everyone else somehow?
I'm sure everyone has different opinions on their view of the world/history and politics and dont really want to have long winded discussion about that in this thread. But bringing up morals regarding the Saudis is a strange one to me
Better than a leaky dumpy place that it is becoming.
Give Old Trafford 20 years of quick or no fixes and it'll be a right state
You have kind of went off on a rant here, the UK and US are just as bad as many other countries true, but they aren't trying to buy a football club. Like City this is actual Middle Eastern countries, with dubious human rights policies buying football clubs.
It is getting to that state, nothing has been done for the place for 14 years. If anyone is in doubt that the Glazers aren´t gonna do shit you only need to look at how they managed to get a new stadium for Tampa. Sadly they cannot tell the City of Manchester to feck off and build one or they will take United to Luton..
I want it to happen just to laugh at some hypocrites on here
the question is whether people would be just as against a US consortium bid lead by Trump and Bush.
the point is that, why does it take the Saudi's possibly buying United for everyone's morality to finally kick in? when i'm sure most people happily post here using their iPhones, walk around in their Nike's, vote for politicans who are indirectly involved with attrocities, or whatever else. we're all hypocrates, so where is the line? is it just an arbitrary one?
The UK Government is not interested in buying man utd and if they were I would object
Neither the UK or US Government is interested in buying man utd and if they were I would object
....and they murder/imprison homosexuals, journalists, protestors.......if you posted the above criticism of Saudi involvement in Yemen from within Saudi you could be imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Other Governments close to home are not interested in buying man utd and if they were I would object
Apple are not interested in buying man utd and if they were I would consider my position on that one
The House of Saud have shown an interest in buying man utd. If and when anyone else shows an interest I will form an opinion on them but right now I can't form an opinion on everyone in the world just in case they show an interest.
Why is it strange to look at the morals of people who are interested in buying man utd? We should consider the morals of anyone who is interested surely? How would you feel if Kim Jong-un was interested?
If House of Saud buys us and Prince Mohammad Bin Salman is standing with us at Old Trafford when we have a minutes silence for those who perished in Munich are you really going to be able to blank out the many who have been murdered at MBS's hands?
It may sit well with you but not me
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So if Saudis buy us, it's at their own personal cost?
I thought the above was true too but someone trying confuse me with ffp regulations.
Thanks for replying back.
I think most people are well aware of the humanitarian crimes carried out by all countries even the ones we are in. I don't think any country or regime should be allowed to buy a football club the soul purpose would be just to improve their image on a global scale.
In buying MU their business has to comply with UK legislation. The equality and other aspects are void, and promotes questions with SA. I'd take the small win for progression within humanity... I'm sure some would say it's utopic; isn't that were change starts, people wanting change rather than saying i can't do anything, i'm scared etc etc. Time to put the big boys pants on and use MBS for change, rather than MBS promoting prospects of something...
Kim Jong-un; what do you know of him? Are you using Donald as a basis for insults and morality?
MBS murders people? where is the evidence?