Is it wrong to have felt more joy when pool lost to aston villa than when we whooped wigan...?
"schadenfreude is the only true joy"?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It says something about human nature.
Probably not, because it's more likely we'd pick up points at a Wigan side we've beaten in our last nine attempts than Villa getting anything at Anfield, where they hadn't won for eight years. I was as pleased seeing Liverpool's result as I was our own, but probably because theirs was of more magnitude, and because of it compounding their fairly poor start to the season. 
Watching United is serious business.
Watching Liverpool lose is funnier and less stressful (as long as no one goes within 3 yards of Gerrard in or around the penalty area).
Watching Liverpool lose is funnier and less stressful (as long as no one goes within 3 yards of Gerrard in or around the penalty area).
YesIs it wrong to have felt more joy when pool lost to aston villa than when we whooped wigan...?
United winning > Liverpool losing
It's different feelings though
I like Great Hats answer better
OK. Another question. Would you accept a package deal of United finishing top 4 without winning PL and Liverpool getting relegated?
it's a different feeling, but of course it's a great joy to see Liverpool lose, especially at home.
to all those 'top reds' who jump on the back of anyone who expresses any joy at seeing Liverpool lose i pose this question -
how would you feel if we had a season of playing well but came 2nd in the PL to Chelsea or Arsenal, while Liverpool lost half their games and ended getting relegated?
i have to admit, i would be smiling at the end of that season.
to all those 'top reds' who jump on the back of anyone who expresses any joy at seeing Liverpool lose i pose this question -
how would you feel if we had a season of playing well but came 2nd in the PL to Chelsea or Arsenal, while Liverpool lost half their games and ended getting relegated?
i have to admit, i would be smiling at the end of that season.
If Carlsberg made seasons...
apologies, Maestro. didn't see your post above mine!
Two seperate things.I like Great Hats answer better
OK. Another question. Would you accept a package deal of United finishing top 4 without winning PL and Liverpool getting relegated?
I am happy with United playing good football and compete for honours, not necessarily winning honours.
And I'd be happy if Liverpool got relegated.
He's talking about relative happiness though.
Us beating a side we should expect to beat causes me 'x' happiness.
Liverpool losing to a side they should expect to beat causes me 'y' happiness.
I can think of lots of scenarios when y > x.
Feels good when United win.
Feels hilarious when Liverpool lose.
For example, you wouldn't respond to United winning with
unless there was a -worthy event as a result of it.
Feels hilarious when Liverpool lose.
For example, you wouldn't respond to United winning with
unless there was a -worthy event as a result of it.I did when we beat Spurs 5-3.For example, you wouldn't respond to United winning with
...And when we beat them 5-2.
Spurs are always worth aI did when we beat Spurs 5-3.
...And when we beat them 5-2.
, no?TrueSpurs are always worth a
Would have laughed at the Forest 8-1 as well.
If it hadn't been for the fact that it cost me a few hundred quid
I'm tempted to say yes. 5-0 away from home, Owen and Berbatov getting off the mark and the Burnley debacle made Wigan miles more enjoyable for me than Pool's defeat, great as it was. But Birmingham would have been another matter.Is it wrong to have felt more joy when pool lost to aston villa than when we whooped wigan...?
United are supposed to win all the games, so when we win, it's almost a relief, unless it's a special win like 7-1 Roma.
So a Liverpool relegation or a loss against smaller teams means more laughter. I'd prefer an United win every single time though.
So a Liverpool relegation or a loss against smaller teams means more laughter. I'd prefer an United win every single time though.
no probs.. lol..
I think is like some people mentioned. I was expecting Aston Villa to get stomped after their 5-0 loss last season, which made their victory totally unexpected. United on the other hand is supposed to defeat Wigan.
Absolutely.
Don't get me wrong, United winning is amazing and never gets less so, but we do actually win most of our games. It's kind of the norm. The same with Liverpool. So when they lose it's great for us seeing as they're our biggest rivals and potential title rivals (or so we're told
). I don't think Liverpool losing is a better feeling than that euphoric feeling when United score, or that feeling when United beat a difficult team, or thrash a team like the Roma result, but maybe Liverpool losing is a better feeling than when United have a fairly run-of-the-mill victory against a low down team (no disrespect).
I think with Wigan, it was relief that we didn't screw up twice on the run, and sheer delight at the way the lads did their job. Villa beating Liverpool, however, is more of a cheer and a laugh as it was so unexpected.
This is a difficult one.
i wouldn't. it's the trophies that matter, so i would want united to win the PL. and i dont want any of our traditional rivals to get relegated because it robs the fans of 2 important days. ill admit it, i miss LeedsI like Great Hats answer better
OK. Another question. Would you accept a package deal of United finishing top 4 without winning PL and Liverpool getting relegated?
it was funny when they got relegated but i didnt think it would take them this long to get back up. that being said if Liverpool finished right outside the relegation zone and started celebrating like they just won the league in typical delusional fashion while proclaiming next year ITS ON. i would find that hilarious and quite enjoyable.
you got to feel sorry for the bloke who had an accumulator bet on 8 matches with the first 7 being winners , if Liverpool won he would have got £27,000 he must already have been celebrating the scousers winning, he will now hate them for the rest of his life !!
Its quite simple isnt it?
Can you factor a fiver on Liverpool losing into that formula? I've had a good week football wise.
Liverpool's defeats would be nowhere near as funny or satisfying if they hadn't spent all summer talking themselves up whilst dismissing us.
Thats one of the worst things I've ever read on here...
Its that kind of arrogance and complacency that Keane referred to in his book and led to the lack of effort and the subsequent killing off of the atmosphere at Old Trafford. Too many turn up expecting a result and think its Uniteds right to win.
No where does it suggest United are supposed to win. Wins have to be earnt and fought for. No one has a divine right to win anything without effort and passion, least of all United. Thats what Busby craved for all his career. Players who would fight and fight to get results and didnt expect anything laid out for them on a plate.
I remember times when a win was the last thing you expected from United. Success was going a whole game and not conceding. A great season was achieved by finishing in the top 5 and if we were really lucky a trip to Wembley thrown in to the bargain.
He had the advantage of the game that cocked him up being the last on his coupon, so if he was wise he'd have stuck a few grand on the draw and an Aston Villa victory anyway, ensuring he saw a big return whatever happened
No excuse for coming out of that situation penniless for me
HAPPY !!!
I'd be over the bloody moon. It would be like all my christmases had just turned up at once.