[Cassidy]

It sounds agenda driven in the sense you’re saying McTominay is “piss poor” and “should play for Luton”. I mean, they’re just hyperbolic statements. This comparison you’re making with Fred is flawed too, because it works against Fred in exactly the same way you’re saying with more minutes he’d be even better than Scott. If Fred was shit for another 6 hours, which he is capable of being, that would dilute his stats further, yes?

Dribbles and fouls won arent the most important components to a top midfielder’s game, no, but they’re important nonetheless. I mean a foul he “won” resulted in a penalty against Palace. That’s a key contribution.

Aye, you don’t rate him at all, that’s cool. For me the jury is out whether he’ll reach Darren Fletcher’s level. But I’ll wait and see. He needs a good game against Newcastle tomorrow. Fingers crossed for him and the team.

The jury is not out whether he will reach Darren Fletcher levels. This is exceptionally rude to Fletcher who at his peak was top
class. Scott is an average footballer who has excellent work ethic and a good mentality.

Both him and Fred are not good enough and need replacing in the starting 11 if we are to compete any time soon.

The single core competency of being a good consistent passer of the ball he seriously struggles with and is does not do us any favours.

Yes every side needs a destroyer/defensive player in the midfield however in the tops sides those players are also excellent passers of the ball or at least not sub standard in the passing department like Scott.

For where we aspire to be Scott should be a squad player who can do a job in some important games.

 

[Augustus Gloop]

The jury is not out whether he will reach Darren Fletcher levels. This is exceptionally rude to Fletcher who at his peak was top
class. Scott is an average footballer who has excellent work ethic and a good mentality.

Both him and Fred are not good enough and need replacing in the starting 11 if we are to compete any time soon.

The single core competency of being a good consistent passer of the ball he seriously struggles with and is does not do us any favours.

Yes every side needs a destroyer/defensive player in the midfield however in the tops sides those players are also excellent passers of the ball or at least not sub standard in the passing department like Scott.

I’m Darren Fletcher’s biggest fan. If you followed his career like I did you would know he was maligned for years, and at the same age as Scott is now, was inconsistent and nowhere near the finished article.

Fletch was phenomenal in the 09/10 season. World class for me in that season. Certainly one of the best midfielders in the league (got into the PFA Team of the season).

I never said he would be as good as Fletch. However I would not rule it out as fans use to slate Fletch all the time until he won most over. I’m seeing a similar trajectory... McTominay is winning some over, definitely not all (clearly) but he has progressed massively. Might continue who knows?

 

[Stacks]

McTominay is a decent player. Can we improve on him - definitely. But that's not an urgent requirement. He is actually not a bad squad option to have unlike Lingard.

Of course not. Especially in big games, he is the ONE. I am happy with academy players being of the standard from Scott to Marcus because they are adequate Prem quality so it's a bonus. Some teams have academy players who are champion ship standard

 

[Bebestation]

I might get lambasted for saying such things but I look at players like Can & Khedira who filled Juventus squad - I honestly don't see the massive difference between them and what players like Mctomminay can be for United.

This is clear when you see a 50 mil player like Fred doing well for United but on levels with Mctomminay up or down a couple percent.

 

[TsuWave]

It sounds agenda driven in the sense you’re saying McTominay is “piss poor” and “should play for Luton”. I mean, they’re just hyperbolic statements. This comparison you’re making with Fred is flawed too, because it works against Fred in exactly the same way you’re saying with more minutes he’d be even better than Scott. If Fred was shit for another 6 hours, which he is capable of being, that would dilute his stats further, yes?

Dribbles and fouls won arent the most important components to a top midfielder’s game, no, but they’re important nonetheless. I mean a foul he “won” resulted in a penalty against Palace. That’s a key contribution.

Aye, you don’t rate him at all, that’s cool. For me the jury is out whether he’ll reach Darren Fletcher’s level. But I’ll wait and see. He needs a good game against Newcastle tomorrow. Fingers crossed for him and the team.

Again, all posts here are agenda driven. It’s a moot point.

And yes, potentially Fred could do worse, but seeing as the stats he’s been averaging are better than Mctominay’s he gets the benefit of the doubt from me that over time the trend would also be reflected.

Kinda like how Mctominay losing the ball way more often than Fred with wayward passing, bad touches and being dispossessed more consistently leads to opposition chances/potential goals?

I absolutely don’t rate him. He’s skating on things that appeal to the emotional side of this fanbase. Cardio specialist with hardly any footballing ability (relative to what I believe the standards should be at United) that has “is a good lad, knows what the club is all about” tropes as his crutches.

But hopefully, he does have a good game, need everyone performing, even players I don’t rate. Watching United lose is not something I take pleasure in.

 

[TsuWave]

This is clear when you see a 50 mil player like Fred doing well for United but on levels with Mctomminay up or down a couple percent.

Fred is generally considered a dud transfer though. He’s not justified that investment and I’d hazard a guess that most people would argue against the notion that he’s done well for United, and rightly so in my opinion, despite him looking slightly better in recent times than he did previously.

 

[Bebestation]

Fred is generally considered a dud transfer though. He’s not justified that investment and I’d hazard a guess that most people would argue against the notion that he’s done well for United, and rightly so in my opinion, despite him looking slightly better in recent times than he did previously.

I don't want to talk about Fred too much but I compare him to schnierdlin & I do see that he does have his uses for United. I don't want to write off players like Mctomminay & Fred yet because theoretically they are quite identical players in both their abilities and their performances - but I also feel that they are like forms of defensive midfielders that have never had the chance to play next to a deep lying play maker or an advanced playmaker - I think that's quite unfair on them and the rest of the squad too. You know, it can make a difference when there's even half a Scholes or Carrick next to you dictating play and all you have to do is keep you eyes in de bryune and silva or whatever.

Even then, if all Mctomminay & Fred perform are the 7-8 type performances that I'm seeing at the moment then I'm okay with it. The truth is that the squad is littered with players that are not consistent with being able to even put out a decent 7 out of 10 performance & for that reason we have to build from somewhere.

That's why I say that Mctomminay & Fred remind me a bit of players like Khedira for Juventus, the players you see one match on the bench & the next match starting - but they always tend to be able to put out a 7-8 performance.

Hopefully Fred & Mctomminay can keep it up and improve bit by bit as the squad takes the pressure away from them aswell.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

The thing with Scott is that he is at best in the big games. Great at defending and can also drive the team forward in those games. It is one of the biggest reason why we are doing so well in them. Although when we have all the ball he is not the most creative player with his passing.

Although under a top manager he would be doing even better. Just like Fletcher was massive for us under our peak years for SAF (2007-2011). Sometimes he got benched for having say Scholes, Giggs and Carrick all playing with more creativity, but we can't sadly do that now with our squad.

 

[Cassidy]

I’m Darren Fletcher’s biggest fan. If you followed his career like I did you would know he was maligned for years, and at the same age as Scott is now, was inconsistent and nowhere near the finished article.

Fletch was phenomenal in the 09/10 season. World class for me in that season. Certainly one of the best midfielders in the league (got into the PFA Team of the season).

I never said he would be as good as Fletch. However I would not rule it out as fans use to slate Fletch all the time until he won most over. I’m seeing a similar trajectory... McTominay is winning some over, definitely not all (clearly) but he has progressed massively. Might continue who knows?

“If you followed his career like I did” hahaha extremely condescending.

Fletcher even when he was much maligned was levels above where Scott is now. And yes Scott will never reach world class levels , he doesnt have the basic competencies to do so.

That doesn't mean he isnt or cannot go on to be an important squad player in a title challenging side. Which to me would be his peak. Judging by his performances that he gets praise for this season, passing will always be his achilles heel.

 

[Berbasbullet]

“If you followed his career like I did” hahaha extremely condescending.

Fletcher even when he was much maligned was levels above where Scott is now. And yes Scott will never reach world class levels , he doesnt have the basic competencies to do so.

That doesn't mean he isnt or cannot go on to be an important squad player in a title challenging side. Which to me would be his peak. Judging by his performances that he gets praise for this season, passing will always be his achilles heel.

Was he? Not sure I agree, I remember a young Fletcher being shafted to right midfield and being absolutely hounded (by me also!).

Things eventually came together for him. Hopefully same for Scott too!

 

[Cassidy]

Was he? Not sure I agree, I remember a young Fletcher being shafted to right midfield and being absolutely hounded (by me also!).

Things eventually came together for him. Hopefully same for Scott too!

Yes better. Doesnt mean great as the side he played in the level was so high hence he was hounded. Same as this version of Scott would be playing in the same side. He would stick out like a sore thumb.

Instead he is praised for being a little better than the other rubbish in the midfield. Even though actually he hasnt really been that much better than Fred

 

[TsuWave]

I don't want to write off players like Mctomminay & Fred yet because theoretically they are quite identical players in both their abilities and their performances

Fred can control and pass a ball, man. At least to a passable level. Same can’t be said about Mctominay

Those percentile differences are huge in game.

Fred has nearly double the key passes, Mctominay gets dispossessed twice as often and he has damn near three times the number of bad touches per game. That’s not close to being identical in terms of abilities or performances. And I gotta keep reiterating that Fred is hardly a player to sing about so what does that say about good old Scott?

 

[Bebestation]

Fred can control and pass a ball, man. At least to a passable level. Same can’t be said about Mctominay

Those percentile differences are huge in game.

Fred has nearly double the key passes, Mctominay gets dispossessed twice as often and he has damn near three times the number of bad touches per game. That’s not close to being identical in terms of abilities or performances. And I gotta keep reiterating that Fred is hardly a player to sing about so what does that say about good old Scott?

I find both of them are good defensively and sitting deep & this is why I don't think buying a replacement for Matic directly is that much of a priority in comparison to someone who can actually pass a ball an dictate play.

I find both are good defensively, Fred is better at passing and has and ability to get away from pressing by using faints or skills whilst Mctomminay is more a direct up and down midfielder who takes the pressure out of our midfield by getting the ball himself before going on a good pacey run. They both use this energy that I see in defensive players that I particularly see in big games ( like the games where we saw herrera act world class against Hazard) where they are able to do the work of a couple of players and release the pressure of the team centrally.

I said this before though, no team can play two midfielders like that without a pure CAM that can create chances either so they need to compete with each other.

I feel Mctomminay & Fred have covered the overrated Herrera for me & now it's our turn to finally bring in a Carrick now not another work horse like Saul - a good player, but is exactly that - a work horse.

 

[M Bison]

I felt he was trying too hard at first, as if he wanted to make amends for recent performances having dropped off a bit. Looked like he was walking a tightrope, especially getting booked after 30 seconds, thought it was a bit of an erratic performance.

 

[Mcking]

Not good. Needs to be doing much better.

 

[limerickcitykid]

He wrong foots the recipient on almost every pass.

 

[RedIan]

A reckless performance after his early booking, he was lucky not to be sent off.. not just the shirt pulling but full blooded crunching tackles.

 

[roonster09]

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[Raw]

Christ sake, soon as Pogba comes back another midfielder gets injured.

 

[BlueHaze]

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Sigh...

 

[TsuWave]

The guy is just not of the required standard

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Done his knee ligs, goodbye top 4. Our only leader

 

[Canagel]

Extremely Clumsy player

 

[BigBebe]

Knee ligament damage. Feck.

 

[OL29]

Needs to be a bit smarter in his play, can’t be blood and thunder at all times.

 

[Tarrou]

we have to buy a midfielder in Jan

 

[Raven]

Could really have done without him getting injured.

 

[bosnian_red]

Hopefully nothing more than a small sprain... we'd be fecked. Also perfect example of why a holding midfielder is a must this January.

 

[charlenefan]

Done his knee ligs, goodbye top 4. Our only leader

Source?

 

[Mcking]

I hope we go for a proper midfielder to play next to Fred. This could be a big chance for us to finally upgrade our midfield.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Hopefully nothing more than a small sprain... we'd be fecked. Also perfect example of why a holding midfielder is a must this January.

In a way a month out could pay off for us if it forces the club to add a centre mid. We should really be keeping pogba out of the double pivot where possible.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Source?

Ole said in presser that he hurt his knee ligs

 

[cyberman]

Ole said he isnt sure hell be fit for Saturday. Calm down!

 

[SATA]

Matic is back so we’ll be okay. But why did he play the entire first half if he had a ligament? It’s really stupid

 

[Nick7]

Bad half after the injury.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

I hope we go for a proper midfielder to play next to Fred. This could be a big chance for us to finally upgrade our midfield.

Mctominay is so much better than Fred in the double pivot, and on balance better than pogba this season too. Fred has had 4 or 5 good games but mctominay has been out most important player and only real leader for much of the season - Fred looked lost without a few weeks ago

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Sign Emre Can.

 

[cyberman]

I hope we go for a proper midfielder to play next to Fred. This could be a big chance for us to finally upgrade our midfield.

Na, the Utd board and fanbase are happy with Scott.

 

[charlenefan]

Ole said in presser that he hurt his knee ligs

Probably opened them up when he was limping, the fact he finished the half makes me think he won't be out for long

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Probably opened them up when he was limping, the fact he finished the half makes me think he won't be out for long

It's probably not a complete disaster but I've seen people do a lot on a partial tear. McGregor fought on one before. Not actually a very painful injury