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Che Adams surely. Has bamboozled Stones and Mings with his movement but just can’t finish.
A striker who can't finish shouldn't be man of the match. That's his primary job.

I think he’s too sloppy on the ball to be a CB. Like when he lost the ball to Sterling.
Can you think of another moment when he was sloppy on the ball?

If not do you think being careless once is enough to right him off in a position.
 

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:lol: Good fecking grief.
Why is that funny? Ask any neutral. McGinn is quite clearly the better midfielder. Anyways, McTominay did rather well tonight. Completely shut down our left hand side after a shaky start from him and his teammates and started a few decent Scotland counters.
 

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Can you think of another moment when he was sloppy on the ball?

If not do you think being careless once is enough to right him off in a position.
In this match or other matches? I think he lose possession and misplace passes quite often. Then I don’t think he offers much as a CB. He could do the job to fill in if we have injuries, but we have four who are better.
 

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Gilmour is better than he is in the middle and that's why he started there against England of all teams even though he has very little experience. Sterling showed that McTominay is not a proper CB when he stole the ball off him and nutmegged him easily in the first half to create a goal scoring opportunity . England should've exploited his side.

McTominay is shoehorned into the Scottish starting lineup mostly as a CB these days because they have better midfield options. He did grow into the game
So are Stones and Mings not proper centre backs either as Adams and co caused them problems ?
 

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that’s just not true.
Care to delve deeper as to why you think overwise? If says a lot that young Gilmour anchored the midfield in such a high profile game. It was his debut.

Gilmour did a better job there than McTominay did in Scotland's loss against the Czech republic. Gilmour moved the ball well and covered more field than McTominay (when comparing their midfield performances in game one and two) and he had a 91% pass completion to McTominay's 85 average over his two games, while attempting a similar number of passes to McTominay. He's only 20. He also didn't hide against England, something McTominay usually does when the going gets tough
 
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So are Stones and Mings not proper centre backs either as Adams and co caused them problems ?
These two have already developed a reputation for being good to decent centerbacks, McTominay hasn't. He's played a few games there for Scotland and even less for United. He's no centerback and Scotland have better players in midfield.
 

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Care to delve deeper as to why you think overwise? If says a lot that young Gilmour anchored the midfield in such a high profile game. It was his debut.

Gilmour did a better job there than McTominay did in Scotland's loss against the Czech republic. Gilmour moved the ball well and covered more field than McTominay (when comparing their midfield performances in game one and two) and he had a 91% pass completion to McTominay's 85 average over his two games, while attempting a similar number of passes to McTominay. He's only 20. He also didn't hide against England, something McTominay usually does when the going gets tough
Scott gets played as a RCB because none of our natural CB’s have his ability to bring the ball out from the back. Scott can also distribute the ball better than any of our natural CB’s.

McGinn is in fairness our top midfielder, and Gilmour is a special special talent, but there is no way McGregor starts over Scott in CM if we had a decent CB.
 

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Scott gets played as a RCB because none of our natural CB’s have his ability to bring the ball out from the back. Scott can also distribute the ball better than any of our natural CB’s.

McGinn is in fairness our top midfielder, and Gilmour is a special special talent, but there is no way McGregor starts over Scott in CM if we had a decent CB.
Special talent or not, I think it speaks volumes that Steve Clarke would play an untested Gilmour (at this level) in such a crucial game. He rose to the challenge. McTominay's primary role is midfield and he has a lot of experience on Gilmour, big game experience even. I can't see how his lesser role as a converted CB was more important for Scotland to have against England vs his primary role
 

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Special talent or not, I think it speaks volumes that Steve Clarke would play an untested Gilmour (at this level) in such a crucial game. He rose to the challenge. McTominay's primary role is midfield and he has a lot of experience on Gilmour, big game experience even. I can't see how his lesser role as a converted CB was more important for Scotland to have against England vs his primary role
Scott has been playing crucial games for Scotland as a RCB for a good while though. Almost if not all of the qualifying campaign to get to this tournament. Kenny McLean was starting in front of Scott in midfield but it is in no way reflective of Scott’s ability in midfield.

Do you know how rare it is that Scotland have a 6ft3 player capable of playing in defence, who is actually good on the ball. Gordon Strachan famously said a few years ago that Scotland are hindered genetically by small players (ironic with Gilmour swapping with Scott aye) - and I think to some extent this links to Clarke’s perception of Scott in his team.

It isn’t that Steve Clarke doesn’t want to play Scott in midfield with McGinn or Gilmour, it is that he is too important to leave out of that defence.

Scott will make the odd mistake in defence as you saw against England when he lost out to Sterling early on, but fortunately to my recollection he hasn’t made a mistake that has led to the opposition scoring in open play (touch wood this continues). He’s lost a man on a set piece during qualifying but he’s done that playing in midfield for United so it’s irrelevant ha. But what he does do a hell of a lot from that RCB position is ping the ball forward like none of the other CB’s can, and he can dribble out from the back (like Tierney) and take on 2 or 3 men.
 
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Scott has been playing crucial games for Scotland as a RCB for a good while though. Almost if not all of the qualifying campaign to get to this tournament. Kenny McLean was starting in front of Scott in midfield but it is in no way reflective of Scott’s ability in midfield.

Do you know how rare it is that Scotland have a 6ft3 player capable of playing in defence, who is actually good on the ball. Gordon Strachan famously said a few years ago that Scotland are hindered genetically by small players (ironic with Gilmour swapping with Scott aye) - and I think to some extent this links to Clarke’s perception of Scott in his team.

It isn’t that Steve Clarke doesn’t want to play Scott in midfield with McGinn or Gilmour, it is that he is too important to leave out of that defence.

Scott will make the odd mistake in defence as you saw against England when he lost out to Sterling early on, but fortunately to my recollection he hasn’t made a mistake that has led to the opposition scoring in open play (touch wood this continues). He’s lost a man on a set piece during qualifying but he’s done that playing in midfield for United so it’s irrelevant ha. But what he does do a hell of a lot from that RCB position is ping the ball forward like none of the other CB’s can, and he can dribble out from the back (like Tierney) and take on 2 or 3 men.
Appreciate the break down. As someone who's seen him play a bunch at CB what do you think of him as a potential makeshift CB for united both in a back three and two?
 

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Special talent or not, I think it speaks volumes that Steve Clarke would play an untested Gilmour (at this level) in such a crucial game. He rose to the challenge. McTominay's primary role is midfield and he has a lot of experience on Gilmour, big game experience even. I can't see how his lesser role as a converted CB was more important for Scotland to have against England vs his primary role
Appreciate the break down. As someone who's seen him play a bunch at CB what do you think of him as a potential makeshift CB for united both in a back three and two?
Back three, yes. I would go as far as to say he’s established in that right-of-the-three position now with his experience for Scotland.

Back two, no. I think because he has licence to step forward, and even bomb forward, as part of three CB’s, he looks fairly decent and it masks the odd mistake he might make. I’m not saying these mistakes are glaring and frequent they’re really not - but I just feel we’d be far far better off with specialist CB’s in a “two”, makeshift or not.
 

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Back three, yes. I would go as far as to say he’s established in that right-of-the-three position now with his experience for Scotland.

Back two, no. I think because he has licence to step forward, and even bomb forward, as part of three CB’s, he looks fairly decent and it masks the odd mistake he might make. I’m not saying these mistakes are glaring and frequent they’re really not - but I just feel we’d be far far better off with specialist CB’s in a “two”, makeshift or not.
Cheers, yeah I guess his play and responsibilities at United and Scotland will be completely different. Alaba is a player who comes to mind who has the same issue. Its quite rare though. Mascherano is his latter years and Rojo another couple that had different positions for club and country.
 
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