Came on in the 77th minute, survived a potential leg breaker (opponent got sent off for the challenge at least) and grabbed an assist from a freekick delivery. Hopefully he can get some starts for them.
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I'll say it again, Caicedo (very lite) vibes.
I'll say it again, Caicedo (very lite) vibes.
Nothing like a Nicky Butt. I think we will settle on him just being Kone. He will carve his own style. I think he could really step up as a dynamic all round midfielder. Good in tight spaces, good passer, dynamic, good shooting. I believe with more game time in the first team, he will stake a claim.More like a young Nicky Butt.
I'll say it again, Caicedo (very lite) vibes.
I'll say it again, Caicedo (very lite) vibes.
Was thinking the same thing.Finally, a nice football shirt.
Kone did not come from academy football, his football education isnt european. This is the difference you see. He is 18, it will take time, i cannot say anything about 80 m , but certainly we have a player with a good future , need to nurture character and ability in right direction. Think the laussane loan will do him good.He looks talented for somebody his age. I've seen better (Pogba, Morrison etc) coming through the youth teams who were a bit of a disappointment in the end, so I'm not getting too ahead of myself.. But at 18 years old, I felt they had a better grasp of the game than Kone, and knew how to apply their abilities to be very effective at the level they're playing at. I think this is something Kone needs to work on, as he looks good in flashes but can be a bit lost at times. He just needs to keep developing and we'll see where he's at.
Better grasp of the game? Elaborate. He is a central midfielder that constantly makes himself available. Good passing range, long or short. Plays vertical passes, gets across the pitch when danger ensues upon his goal, dynamic and combines well technically. He also has a goal in him and he is two footed.He looks talented for somebody his age. I've seen better (Pogba, Morrison etc) coming through the youth teams who were a bit of a disappointment in the end, so I'm not getting too ahead of myself.. But at 18 years old, I felt they had a better grasp of the game than Kone, and knew how to apply their abilities to be very effective at the level they're playing at. I think this is something Kone needs to work on, as he looks good in flashes but can be a bit lost at times. He just needs to keep developing and we'll see where he's at.
I'll say it again, Caicedo (very lite) vibes.
Better grasp of the game? Elaborate. He is a central midfielder that constantly makes himself available. Good passing range, long or short. Plays vertical passes, gets across the pitch when danger ensues upon his goal, dynamic and combines well technically. He also has a goal in him and he is two footed.
Obviously he needs to improve his strength, which will come. The key here is his technique, mobility and dynamism. Now, the test will be his reading of the game, first touch and decision making as the level increases. However, I'm not sure why you are comparing him to Morrison who didn't really kick on and was more of a flash attacking midfielder. I think Kone is more of a central midfielder compared to both and is more of an all round central midfielder than Kobbie Mainoo.
Pogba is also different and isn't a complete central midfielder given his lapse in defensive nous. Kone has more work to do but the foundational tools are there. A top coach would be working tirelessly to get him into the first team. The doubt is if United actually currently have a top manager.
I just felt that I watched both and they seemed to carry out their role and apply their abilities to the fullest at even 18 years old. It came as no surprise to me that Pogba left and went straight into the first team setup at Juventus, because he was ready. I just don't feel that 'security' in what I've seen of Kone yet. He sometimes goes missing in games and, whilst he looks technically and physically pretty good, I think he makes the typical mistakes that players his age make. But I didn't think Morrison and Pogba were struggling with these things at the same age, though they are probably outliers at that age group. The best players I've seen in our youth team. There's not shame in not being at the same level yet - he will develop in time. But it's a guessing game as to how good he will be when all is said and done.
I'm old enough to remember people criticising Pogba's performances in the youth teams so maybe there's hope for him.I just felt that I watched both and they seemed to carry out their role and apply their abilities to the fullest at even 18 years old. It came as no surprise to me that Pogba left and went straight into the first team setup at Juventus, because he was ready. I just don't feel that 'security' in what I've seen of Kone yet. He sometimes goes missing in games and, whilst he looks technically and physically pretty good, I think he makes the typical mistakes that players his age make. But I didn't think Morrison and Pogba were struggling with these things at the same age, though they are probably outliers at that age group. The best players I've seen in our youth team. There's not shame in not being at the same level yet - he will develop in time. But it's a guessing game as to how good he will be when all is said and done.
Looks like Vivell is behind most of our recent youth signings. Heaven, Chido and Kone got RedBull kind of signings written all over them.
Some of his previous signings are Erling Haaland, Karim Adeyemi, Dominik Szoboszlai, and Benjamin Sesko
I'm old enough to remember people criticising Pogba's performances in the youth teams so maybe there's hope for him.
I like him, he is very talented and there is no need to rush him, he can stay in the club, play games in the u23, and occasionally train with the first team, and maybe by next summer, he can be ready for either a loan spell or be in the squad.
Maybe at one stage they did a bit, but that season in the run up to the FA Youth Cup Final (this might have been the one before he left?), he was great, along with Ravel. I remember the semi final against Sheffield United and I thought we had the next Paul Scholes with the way he was running the game.
I’m not saying there’s no hope though, just that better players haven’t quite made it here for whatever reason. But on the flip side, lesser players than Pogba at youth level, have developed more and probably had better careers. It’s just a case of wait and see, but I don’t think he’s ready yet as he has to mature still as a player. He is clearly talented though.
he is only 19 and only came to United last summer, not much of development through the academy here, not saying he needs to be retrained in the academy here or something like that, just that another year in the setup here would be beneficial for him, he can go on loan maybe from next summer, unless by then he is ready, remember, Amad took a while to get going, not comparing the circumstances but it is normal for some players to need more time, not everyone is a MainooI dont think the U23 games would prepare him enough.. he needs to go on loan this season and play at a first team regularly.
The U23 is not great competition
he is only 19 and only came to United last summer, not much of development through the academy here, not saying he needs to be retrained in the academy here or something like that, just that another year in the setup here would be beneficial for him, he can go on loan maybe from next summer, unless by then he is ready, remember, Amad took a while to get going, not comparing the circumstances but it is normal for some players to need more time, not everyone is a Mainoo
he is only 19 and only came to United last summer, not much of development through the academy here, not saying he needs to be retrained in the academy here or something like that, just that another year in the setup here would be beneficial for him, he can go on loan maybe from next summer, unless by then he is ready, remember, Amad took a while to get going, not comparing the circumstances but it is normal for some players to need more time, not everyone is a Mainoo
How do you know he will dominate in the U23? there is no evidence of that yet, emphasis on "yet", and probably the bolded could work, I am just saying, there is no need to send him on loan this summer, let's see how is look in early 2026 and then make a decision one way or another.He looks likely to be extremely comfortable in U23 games next season, even dominant, and ultimately that's no use to his development. He'll stagnate. At most I'd give him half a season more in the U23s and then a loan for the second half of the season. But if there's a good opportunity available for the start of the season, I see no reason to hang about.
I did not know we had sister clubs, do you mean Royal Antwerp? perhaps a lower league in Europe is not a bad idea, somewhere where he can get game time like Belgium.No I agree that he is not ready... we can loan him to our sister clubs where we can monitor him closely.
If then they feel he is not ready, they can send him to a championship / PL loan when he has bulked up a bit more and has had more first team experience/
Surely he means the INEOS clubs Nice or Lausanne?I did not know we had sister clubs, do you mean Royal Antwerp? perhaps a lower league in Europe is not a bad idea, somewhere where he can get game time like Belgium.
Which you could argue could benefit with some time now to actually learn his positioning on the pitchhe is only 19 and only came to United last summer, not much of development through the academy here, not saying he needs to be retrained in the academy here or something like that, just that another year in the setup here would be beneficial for him, he can go on loan maybe from next summer, unless by then he is ready, remember, Amad took a while to get going, not comparing the circumstances but it is normal for some players to need more time, not everyone is a Mainoo
He has to be in a place where he'll get the best development, not sure EFL for example or a top league is the right place for a loan, at least not now, perhaps lower league in Europe might be an option, or stay here and play in the U23, he'll be competing with other U23 from PL teams which is not something to sneeze at in terms of player development.Which you could argue could benefit with some time now to actually learn his positioning on the pitch
To be fair, it's not a shame if you're not as good as Ravel or Pogba in youth teams given how ridiculous they were. Ravel more so than Pogba.
It was mostly Pogba's U21 performances that were disappointing, he hardly ever put in a good 90 minutes, I think because he thought he was ready for the first team and it was beneath him. If he'd have actually gone out to prove that in the reserves then he would have been with the first team instead no doubt as he was a phenomenal talent.
Don’t agree with loaning him to Switzerland or some obscure league just because we have a relationship. He needs somewhere competitive where he can play.
Oh absolutely, but I was just making the age old point that nothing is guaranteed just yet. I was responding to the comments saying he should be starting in midfield for us etc. He looks nowhere near to me. I'd say he's potentially at the point where he could come off the bench and maybe start in lesser cup games if we weren't bothered about the result. I certainly don't think he's ready for the PL with any real responsibility other than small cameos.
See I really liked the look of Pogba at the U21 level and that's why it didn't surprise me when he went straight into the Juve team pretty much. But I don't think he ever quite hit the heights expected of him when he returned here. And obviously Ravel Morrison never got anywhere near in the end. I think both of them looked more 'ready', to me, than Kone currently. Which just highlights how far he has to go based on where he is right now. Who knows though, he may take to it well and get better when surrounded by better players. My gut instinct is that he will get a bit bullied by PL midfielders right now, the odd flash of his talent, but I think the speed of the game will see his bad decisions and heavy touches punished and he might wilt.
He’s 19 with pretty much zero first team football. 6 months or a season in Switzerland, playing week in, week out, would do him wonders, I think. Get him used to playing against men. If he does well, you could even move him to Nice after 6 months.Don’t agree with loaning him to Switzerland or some obscure league just because we have a relationship. He needs somewhere competitive where he can play.
