That makes more sense, I thought I was high.
Sekou Kone
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Its a practice run for the commentary during World Cup 2026.He looked good, but that's the weirdest commentary I've ever heard in terms of tone, pronunciation and vocab.Is that the 'style' in Indonesia? Or were they high?
"Good Collaboration, and now he passes it to the left sector"
I thought he was supposed to be playing with a protective mask due to the eye-socket issue he had?
Looks class mind
He is class act.
Would love to see a midfield of him, Cas and Bruno
How highly rated is he within United though, is he seen as just of a matter of time or a maybe.
Him and JJ Gabriel will be the next 2 biggest talents at the club.
Lovely shirt Mali have. Great to see him back in action and seemingly enjoying his football and looking sharp.
He's highly rated but they're taking their time with him.
Same as Amad; we might not see the best of him for a few years.
He is rated enough that he went on the post-season tour and that Amorim didn't want to loan him out straightaway at the start of the season.
But like Amad he's quite small so it may take some time before he's ready for his chances.
Kone should be well down the pecking order on the next midfielders to break through. I can see the Fletchers, Devanney, Fitzgerald and Thwaites looking more likely to break through. Kone hasn't pushed on due to injuries but still can come through but will need to be sent out on loan 1st, probably to Switzerland.
He's behind Collyer who is out on loan at West Brom in the championship and has only just started to do well in his last 2 games. Most likely he will follow the same route after him and Collyer will be the one trying to break into the first team squad after his loan
I say this as someone who prefers Kone and doesn't see enough potential in Collyer to make it here. I expect Collyer to be a more physical Ugarte but about the same ability on the ball which isnt good enough.
Haha come on, not that again. Nothing in Amorim's actions indicates that he, who never plays youth by the way, rates him. Stop with this nonsense now.
Its evident thats there's plenty to work with in the tools he has.
He looks absolutely rapid and should've had a hat trick too. Seems to time his runs into the box well also.
Best midfield talent since Pogba. The way he receives the ball, his first touch, you can see he's gonna be a class. Immense acceleration and pressing ability, decent passer too. Also has some tricks in his sleeve. Don't see a weakness at the moment. Hopefully he transition into men's football better than Hannibal.
How does he never play youth? Promoted a fair few players at Sporting
Really does look like a gem of a player so hats of to whoever scouted him.
Needs to be loaned out to play competitive football at a senior level so we can get a better idea of his current level.
Needs to be loaned out to play competitive football at a senior level so we can get a better idea of his current level.
Really nice to see him back in action. Looks proper sharp. Said it all about him before, but he's such a well rounded player. Imagine if he develops some of that short, wiry Kante strength... could be very special
Barring further injuries I see him our next Amad level player to come through.
Depends on the circumstances, he doesn't use them for the sake of it.
At Sporting there were two factors, stakes were low when he started in the sense that the club was already so low, a massive overhaul was done. The youth players he integrated where much better suited to how he wanted to play rather than what was in the squad (or sold).
I don't know and I don't care what he did at Sporting. He never plays youth at United, that is what I will judge him on.
I worry he's going to go the same route as guys like Angel Gomes and Zidane Iqbal.
Yep that video highlighted both the strengths and weaknesses quite well. He seemed to be mostly playing in the #10 role.
+ He looks faster than when he first joined.
+ Movement is excellent -- both when making runs in behind and general pass / move combinations
+ Has a good Body position when he receives the ball, good feints to glide past players
- Raw dribbling ability wise, I don't think there's much in the way of tricks and flicks. Just intelligent movement, good body position when he receives, good touch and pace makes him look good. Maybe that's enough.
- Doesn't look very strong. No offence to Indonesia U23s but I wouldn't expect them to be the strongest bunch. Doesn't seem ready for a physical battle against PL midfielders
- Passing was okay. There were a couple of line breaking passes so maybe I'm being too harsh but overall seems to play it safe and prefers the carry.
- Ball striking / cross field passes with whip? Unsure
- Tried to headbutt the ref?
Will players like him and Chido be counted as academy products? Or do they need to be playing a certain amount of years before they can be classified as such. Asking because I don't think Mainoo has a future with us and so we will probably need someone realistic who can keep our record in the first team going.
I'm not entirely sure, but I feel like the criteria is along the lines of playing for our academy before they played for any first team
Gomes did not go the same route as Iqbal did he?
Neither got a real shot at the first team right? Iqbal went off to the Dutch league and Gomes to Ligue 1. Gomes has improved significantly after that move .. not sure what's up with Iqbal these days.
Pretty sure if Garnacho and Hannibal count, these boys also would.
Its probably cause same united fans judge player at 17 saying they will never be good enough for the club, giving em no chance. That + the pressure he is under and lack of games makes it an easy decision for him to not play "youth".
That shouldn't stop Amorim from having two GKs on bench. No matter what the pressure is, he's been absolutely garbage at giving youth academy graduates a chance. There's been a lot of opportunities to put them on the bench but instead he has gone with two GKs on bench in PL or last season in Europe has opted to keep the bench spots empty.
Chido will. Kone won't.
Well that's not true is it. He played Amass and Fredricson a fair bit last season , and then if we want to stretch it gave game time to young players like Chido and Heaven. All 4 their debits in the Premier League. He also played Colliyer a fair amount and Yoro was injured when he came but he also gave him his first game
He has no problem playing young players if they are good enough or do the job required. You can't just throw a youth team player in the team for the sake of it because we like to see young players in the team
We also now play 1 week a game where half the fans become enraged if we don't win 5-0 every week (because even a run of 14/21 against tough teams is shit it seems). He is not going to get a lot of credit from those fans and others if he throws an unready youth player in and in doing so, impacting their development if surrounded by negativity
You usually bring in youth players either when necessary because of injuries, finances or when times are good so they can be bed in with less pressure
Gomes was offered a contract but he declined to sign.
From memory when he signed for his new club he was not a first teamer there either.
Great technique but his physicality was in question but if he signed for us and we sent him out on loan and he proved himself then things could have been different
Blaming the fans or implying that the fans are not showing patience to Amorim is one of the most stupid things I've read on here. The bloke has got 45 points in his 38 PL games. That's a full season. You might have lowered your standards so that it looks acceptable to you but don't expect others to follow the same line of thinking.
and again, there's been loads of times when Amorim has chosen to put 2 GKs on the bench when literally there is no need for him to do so and could have chosen an academy player, I'm sure you'll find some weird justification for that kind of stupid behavior.
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For the academy player in a matchday squad record the club will count Kone.
They changed the criteria to be considered so he’ll technically count despite never playing for an actual academy age group. U21/23s is historically reserves football, not academy but they count it now. Just one of many reasons the record is completely pointless now.
Mr Mujac who discovered the record used a completely different set of criteria to what the club are now using and has complained on here about how it is stupid that they have changed it.
The moronic take I am tackling here is he doesn't play youth ever. If you can't get that then that's on you.
My point is he has played youth/young players at United and will continue to when it feels right. The original poster said he never plays youth. That's the moronic take which I am battling. Don't make this a different argument, it's about youth players not playing under him
He has said it and many other pundits have said you avoid playing youth players when times are tough because it can impact them if things ultimately they alone cannot control don't go well. He could have played even more youth players if he wanted last season but I very much doubt if the results were the same with a team of 8 youth players starting people would be chilled either. He came in November and needed to see what he had in the first team and now has seen that.
Nobody is pretending the results till recently have been fine. But saying results have been shit and then also being pissed that he hasn't given dozens of young players a debut is odd. Most managers under pressure won't go around experimenting to that degree. And no, I have always questioned why 2 goalkeepers when it would be nice to see just any other player there but again, my point is that he has played young players that I was arguing against
Bloody hell he is lightening! he looks like he has all the physical attributes to excel in the league to top that off how he shapes his body to receive the ball or adjust when’s moving is a nightmare to play against as an opposition midfielder he looks like an extremely exciting prospect.
I thought I read that Kone had debuted for his league team in Mali before coming here. Might be wrong.
Isn't the criteria now that if the player has made a senior appearance for his previous team then he won't be counted in the record and hence why Heaven isnt counted as a youth player but Collyer is?
"We also now play 1 week a game where half the fans become enraged if we don't win 5-0 every week (because even a run of 14/21 against tough teams is shit it seems)."
That's certainly implying that the fans have been impatient with Amorim when in reality they have been anything but impatient with him.
and yes nobody is expecting him to debut dozens of academy players but any manager who routinely has had two GKs on bench or has kept bench spots empty in europe should be questioned about his intention of using the academy.