If he’s been out injured then he’s not physically ready.
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If he’s been out injured then he’s not physically ready.
He was headbutted and suffered a fracture.
Can you not see that means nothing towards being physically ready?
What's he supposed to do, work on his bone density?
I was being somewhat facetious, but my original response was to someone saying he’s “probably more physically ready than Fletcher or Lacey” - a completely baseless assertion given the fact that the latter two have been deemed physically ready for first team minutes.
Fair enough. It's hard to determine tone in your posts.
I think the kid is massively talented, but if he was to mess up in a PL game he'd be crucified* on here.
*Figuratively of course.
Fair enough. It's hard to determine tone in your posts.
I think the kid is massively talented, but if he was to mess up in a PL game he'd be crucified* on here.
*Figuratively of course.
Haha, yeah it certainly is.
Lovely news. He can’t be worse than Ugarte. Ugarte and Cas is too defensive against Wolves at home, although its likely that’s what we start off with. I’d like to see Lacey and Kone get minutes today.
I personally think he is equipped and much more ready for first team minutes than the Fletcher twins. Got a great engine, is physical and lovely vision and passing range. Would be fabulous if he gets some minutes today- his last U21 performance was excellent
Can they loan Casemiro and Dalot too?
Would be good for him to get some real first team minutes there. Anyone know how Kana-Biyik is performing on loan there? I see he has scored one goal in 11 appearances but no idea if those were starts, off the bench or how he has generally performed. Was very highly rated when we snatched him up.
This is not the right place for discussing Kana, but he has four starts and ten substitute appearances. He was injured for a long time and has played more (and started) in the last few games. One goal and one assist, I still feel he should've played a little more.
The situation with Kone is just weird. He is 20 years old and just doesn't play football, a very typical United thing. Very talented kid though.
I thought that rubbing shoulders with Carrick would have been good for his development, having played the same position.
It’s not like Casemiro or Ugarte are world beaters, this kid should be given some minutes
It’s not like Casemiro or Ugarte are world beaters, this kid should be given some minutes
Did he not go out on loan to Lausanne?
Good news that.
This is a good move. Hopefully he can play mens football for 5 months and come back next season in the first team squad.
We should be signing 2 midfielders, but the squad probably needs 3, and he should be the third as he approaches 20. If not, he should probably leave for his own good if we can’t even commit to him as 4th choice at this stage.
I think he’s a top talent though and if he can stay fit, he has every chance.
We should be signing 2 midfielders, but the squad probably needs 3, and he should be the third as he approaches 20. If not, he should probably leave for his own good if we can’t even commit to him as 4th choice at this stage.
I think he’s a top talent though and if he can stay fit, he has every chance.
Not convinced that’s the best possible loan destination, but good luck nonetheless
Is he going there because it’s the best club for him to develop? Highly doubt it.
We already have one of the lads there. Is there a club connection?
INEOS own it.
Why? Swiss League is better than him being in League 1 and there are no guarantees of playing time anywhere in the Championship, regardless of ability, the days of those clubs doing any kind of targeted development job are over.
Lausanne offers security around playing time while maintaining s good level of challenge for him, in an environment he has settled into over the last month. It is about as good a destination in theory as we could hope for.
They're in the Conference League at least and should progress so he should hopefully get some European minutes which will be good
Any reasons as to why?
If it's the only option it's the best option. He needs some time playing against adults.
If it was the only option yeah. I don't see why it would be though.
Just leaves a bad taste. I despise MCO.
Hopefully a few French speakers to help him settle
Agree in general. We need a minimum of two centre mids in the summer, and if he shows promise now to be the 3rd that would save us a transfer bringing in a third. Where I disagree slightly is that even if we don't quite have the confidence to consider him as 3rd he would still get game time as 4th, given likely injuries and a greater need to rest with more games. 500 minutes or so in a season would not be bad for 20 year-old. My money would be on him showing enough for that, I very much hope so anyway.
To be fair you did say 'for his own good', whereas I'm just looking at it from the club's point of view.
How often do loans actually go to plan? We recall half of them and very often they get feck all game time, having more control over the loan can only be a good thing.
Just to clarify, when I say he should be the 3rd, I mean the 3rd to join the squad. In reality, with Mainoo already there, he’d be the 4th choice - which I think is reasonable for a 20 year old that we believe in. If we want to bring in 3 and have him as 5th choice - then at 20, I don’t think that is good enough for him and he should probably go somewhere else. 20 is plenty old enough to play football, and while not fully ready - I think a 20 year old that a club believes in is certainly old enough to be 4th choice at least.
Good to see the multi club system being used for positives,
Will only be a good thing for the lad.
Will only be a good thing for the lad.
Now I totally agree - because I'd forgotten about Mainoo. How I've no idea, I like him and hope for the best. Stupid me.
I'm hoping he or Devaney will save us having to replace Ugarte with cash in the summer. If they can develop on loan.
If it were Nice maybe, but Lausanne? I thought he was on the fringes of our first team so thought the championship or ligue 1 would have been more suited.
A bit sad about this one, hope he plays regularly and does well though.
Swiss Super League seems to be on average between Championship and League One status (lower Championship/upper League One).
I don't think that's too bad so long as he gets minutes, as you say.
One would hope he looks above average at that level though.
He should be central to the squad at this level though and play a lot which is what he needs after losing time to his injury. It's also a club that's part of our ownership family so we can guarantee game time rather than him being sat watching from the bench. Hopefully he shows enough both in the league and in tougher tests in Europe to show he deserves a chance in the squad next year
Hope he plays more than Kana Bayik seems to have done. I like him and it's time to challenge himself in men's European football now, good step up for him and a different life/football experience too.
He looks like a really interesting all round midfielder and genuinely press resistant. Let’s see how he gets on out there. He should be standing out at this level of football if he’s going to do anything here next season and then see how he does on tour. I think he’s a cert to make it in senior football but I wouldn’t be against loaning him out next season either if it’s a good loan. There’s no huge rush if he’s clearly improving.
I really like the look of Moorhouse too, I think he’s very talented and it’ll be interesting to see how he does physically next year. Same as Kone really in that respect.