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I don't understand how people are making any firm judgements on him outside being better than the other two numpties.
Was the first game yesterday where he made a slight error which led to a goal and he didn't automatically go direct with his kicking. Hopefully by the end of the season there will be a better sample of he's a long term keeper for us
Was the first game yesterday where he made a slight error which led to a goal and he didn't automatically go direct with his kicking. Hopefully by the end of the season there will be a better sample of he's a long term keeper for us
You make a very solid point. He's definitely more VDS than Schmeichel, but VDS would save those without hesitation, whereas Schmeichel would make a mockery of it. He needs to deal with average shots like the one yesterday. What I didn't like was how he floored his body, for the lack of a better phrase, and thus making it impossible to get any reach. Onana was guilty of the same. If letting those in is a recurring theme, then I too am a little worried. His basics and fundamentals seem good, and there should be no reason why he can't improve on saving long range shots.
Hm, on the contrary, I think it's being oversimplified where the assumption is that the act of a save is only once you're in the air and therefore 'physics' is limiting your reach. Whereas, I've been implying it's the footwork that mostly dictates your reach/approach; you can always move one step to your left and your left arm will reach the furthest point, which negates the whole 'right arm will give the best reach.
Agree on the middle as a previous poster has already pointed out that a swiping motion can generate more power to swat away shots.
Was disappointed with the goal we conceded. It was a chain of errors. He got a full hand on it, unfortunately it went in and not over or past the goal.
This forum is honestly such a drag with the kneejerkness lately.
Hes a young keeper who has done really well so far but because he didnt do better with a shot that went close enough to the top corner he's a no.2? Honestly go touch grass.
Hes a young keeper who has done really well so far but because he didnt do better with a shot that went close enough to the top corner he's a no.2? Honestly go touch grass.
Exactly this (Shilton v Poland?).
Come on now, it was nowhere near the top corner. He got a hand on the ball. Top corner from that spot, and you are not even moving as a goalkeeper. I dont dispute the rest of what you wrote. But it was a saveable shot.
Unfortunately, I don't remember this, but I'll take your word for it!
If you stand up straight, put both hands in the air with straight arms:
- lean left and your right hand is higher
- lean right and your left hand is higher
Come on now, it was nowhere near the top corner. He got a hand on the ball. Top corner from that spot, and you are not even moving as a goalkeeper. I dont dispute the rest of what you wrote. But it was a saveable shot.
Its a saveable shot but not a shot he should be saving certainly.
Top shot stoppers would save it but below that its 50-50.
I think he needs to improve his footwork in that regard. He seems to want to move initally towards near post.
Completely disagree. That’s a shot any premier league keeper should be saving. I’m a Senne fan but I think Bayindir would’ve got to that - his faults lie elsewhere
This place is becoming worse by the week. It actually rivals twitter for cesspit vibes. He maybe could of done better, like you said he's Young, has started extremely well, will only get better.
The amount of posters posting in the Amorim thread who haven't in weeks as we haven't lost is hilarious.
Those shots where the defender is used like a mini wall to curl around are always harder to save.
Still to see Lammens concede a howler, but it was a shame for him to taste his first defeat in a while.
Still to see Lammens concede a howler, but it was a shame for him to taste his first defeat in a while.
Think he was just a bit unlucky not to save it.
People reading way too much into it.
People reading way too much into it.
He had a good first 2 games but has been what you would expect in the next 4 - a young goalkeeper in a new league who is okay but not a strong point of the team. Hopefully he continues to settle and looks the part in the latter stages of this season
Would have been so much less focus on Lammens if our attackers had pulled their weight and grabbed at least one goal against a 10 man Everton.
People are reading into the save far to much, he could've done better but that was some shocking defending (think it was a 2v4/5 situation) and shouldn't have even resulted in a shot on target.
People are reading into the save far to much, he could've done better but that was some shocking defending (think it was a 2v4/5 situation) and shouldn't have even resulted in a shot on target.
Should have done better with the goal, but it's an easily forgivable mistake, I imagine he was caught off guard by the comedy of errors in front of him as there should never have been a shot in the first place.
It's not all about reach though.
It's more to do with which hand will get there first, bringing your right hand up and over the top of your body will take a split second longer than just getting your left hand to that ball.
To me that's why people see this as being awkward, that right arm is going across his body to a position where his left hand can and should get there quicker. It doesn't look natural and also the shape of the body and the position of the arms means he can only try to tip that over rather than being able to get a good strong left hand behind it and push it away.
This. i was massively disappointed that the Everton goal went in as i think any decent PL keeper would have saved it. So far i rate Lammens for everything but his shot-stopping is massive question mark for me.
You can spot those who wanted us to sign Emiliano Martinez instead of him.
There were only a few who did, but now that you mention it Martinez is in good form and has helped Villa into the top 4. Despite being dropped at the start of the season for "Marco Bizot" because he had asked to be allowed to leave when we tried to loan him
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He probably just checked the save percentage on Whoscored.
Mistake wasn't that bad. Could have done better but certainly not a calamity, which is the situation our other keepers leave us in.
Wouldn't really classify the goal as a mistake. It was an excellent finish that I think few keepers in the league would stop.
I did think his distribution was less impactful than in previous games, noting one really poor clearance that could have lead to an Everton goal.
So much better than what we have had in recent years though.
I did think his distribution was less impactful than in previous games, noting one really poor clearance that could have lead to an Everton goal.
So much better than what we have had in recent years though.
Completely agree. Its the middle of the net. Vds or schmeichel its a routine save. And thats what builds confidence. We haven't had that calming presence in net for a long time.
I disagree with this. At least in the context of this particular shot. For a close range, reaction save then sure, going with the closest arm makes sense for the reason you describe. When he's diving to save a shot from a bit further out then it's all about maximising reach and the better your reach the quicker you get a hand up near the postage stamp. And he will have the same amount of control, no matter which hand he uses. If anything you can get more of a push on the ball when you use your 'upper' arm. Of course getting across the goal is just as much about footwork as what you do with your arms, which is where he went wrong.
Once again proving he will not be a top keeper since his lack of athleticism I called long time ago. There is zero evidence of him showing top reflexes in the 20minute long videos over the internet and didnt show anything spectucular so far either. He's a steady eddie at best, which might not make as many mistakes as the two clowns we had before but if we want a keeper to take us forward we need much better.
Like some posters said, swap the keepers and the result is different. You really wonder how Pickford made some of those saves, but easy answer he's much better spring and reflexes and anticipation of shots. Lammens, looks to pick good spots, but the 15-20% extra he needs to do to save some of the top tier/harder shots, he will fail. Welbecks goal was fairly poor, but this was just a standart save to make.
Will also go that far to say, that perhaps Bayindir could save that, as he's got better reflexes and is more athletic. Hopefully Vitek is the real deal. or we have plan rather than waiting for Lammens to go to another gear. But yeah luckily we have half season to evaluate at least.
Like some posters said, swap the keepers and the result is different. You really wonder how Pickford made some of those saves, but easy answer he's much better spring and reflexes and anticipation of shots. Lammens, looks to pick good spots, but the 15-20% extra he needs to do to save some of the top tier/harder shots, he will fail. Welbecks goal was fairly poor, but this was just a standart save to make.
Will also go that far to say, that perhaps Bayindir could save that, as he's got better reflexes and is more athletic. Hopefully Vitek is the real deal. or we have plan rather than waiting for Lammens to go to another gear. But yeah luckily we have half season to evaluate at least.
It's not a mistake. It's not unsaveable but that he hasn't optimal timing with the feet is also due to the fact he sees the shot late. Unnecessary to blame the GK for anything here.
There's a time and place for both.
Regardless of footwork. I've watched this a few times now and for this shot, it's not that far out, not far away from him or high enough in the corner that he should have went with his right hand across his body the way he did. It's an instinctive decision and one he probably knows he got wrong. He could have saved it with his left hand quite easily in my opinion, by throwing his left hand up rather than bringing his right hand across he pushes that over the bar easily.
Yeah Pickfords spring and reflexes were amazing that time he knocked the ball back into play when it was going over the bar and allowed Liverpool to win. I bet his teammates were pattng him on the back after that game.
Pickford isn’t the answer but what the poster is saying, we need an athletic keeper who can save these type of shots. Buying a keeper isn’t top priority yet but once we manage to build a full squad, it should be revisited.
Hard disagree. That’s the hand you would coach a kid to use in that situation and was the correct decision. There’s certainly no way his choice of hand was the reason he didn’t make a save. The reason was poor footwork (and a lack of spring?). Anyway. I’ll agree to disagree.
We're basically at the point where some fans obviously wanted a big fancy name and have made up their minds already. They won't post when he plays well for a sustained period but will definitely pop up to have a go when they let a goal in with something they've had written up in the drafts ready to go.
That poster said if the keepers were reversed the match ends differently. Pickford has made plenty of mistakes and has been allowed to iron them out and even now still has them in his game despite being this mythical athletic keeper. The post even had the "I told you so" angle with saying they called it a long time ago. That's an agenda and wanting to be right on the internet more than a fair critique.
An athletic keeper let's a goal in a shot stopper would have saved. Fans now want a shot stopper. A shot stopper let's a goal in a sweeper keeper would have saved. Fans now want a sweeper keeper. Eventually they run out of types to want and all that's left is a Subbuteo keeper controlled behind the goal by Mike Phelan.
There's no middle ground or room to improve. Every player either has to be the best in every game otherwise he's shite and will need replacing. I understand replacing players if they've been bad more often than good for a whole season or two but in this instance that's massively premature.
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That shot United first choice keeper simply must save. It was a shot closer to middle than corner and not much powerful. He had full hand on that ball.
Strange though because he has reputation of being shot stopper gk type.
Strange though because he has reputation of being shot stopper gk type.
Why are you talking about a different game? He was clearly the better keeper in this game and his reflexes are very decent in general, hence why he's a GK in premier league for some 10 seasons. And I would never want him. This fairytale story that a Belgian GK who is already 23 suddenly goes to PL and solve our GK problems is pretty unrealistic.
You sound certain.
How do you know what fans want if you say something like that. Thats load of BS. People just want a player of the level of Manchester United be it a young punt from a smaller league or a solid more experienced option. Would be a dream obviously spent as little as 17m and solve our problem right away.
Lammens not making stupid mistakes is a very low bar though. He should be able to show other traits of GK, and reflexes is simply one of the most important ones. We are not a championship side to have a keeper who is generally steady but doesnt save anything extra.
Time will tell if he can adapt, but to me he looks like a Dorgu version of a GK. Young punt, but perhaps never good enough..